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Kitchen Chemist...........
You've packed on some very appreciable mass. Back double-bi's shot is impressive. Nice job. I've read elsewhere you're hopping into another cycle soon, best of luck. I'd bet that by next Spring, if you can lean out a bit, you'll really have an impressive physique. Go for it.
I realize I have a different perspective on AS & PH than many of you here, but I'll put my $0.02 in here anyway because it's being debated here as to whether or not Chemist should have waited longer to get into PH/AS.
A lot of guys in their 20's just don't want to wait until they're in their 40's to hit their prime. And I don't blame them. I would never advocate PH or AS for a newbie, but at some point, within a year or 3 for most guys once they begin training, natural gains taper off dramatically. Especially for guys with limited genetics, which is most of us.
For guys who are nearly pure ecto, like I was, we can put on 25 lbs of mass and in street clothes, people still don't know we train our asses off. I'm 6'4", 240 lbs now (250 lbs post PH cycle, my last 2). As a senior in high school, I weighed 175-180 lbs. Heck, I was so long and lanky I only went up maybe 1 clothing size after getting to 205 lbs training naturally. So if a guy has his training and diet generally in line and gains are tapering off, I feel that's just as appropriate a time as any other to begin an AS or PH regimen provided they understand benefits vs. risks in all respects.
I clearly see (as would everyone I think, who looks at this objectively) that guys KEEP a lot more of their gains from AS or PH insofar as using them as an aid toward reaching their potential sooner, than they do having trained naturally first for 15+ years but are now trying to push their physique toward that of monstrosity; and well beyond what their own endocrine systems can support unenhanced once they come clean. I think all the fuss some guys make when they say "gee, I thought guys were supposed to hit their natural potential first" is more rooted in jealousy or insecurity; or even in ignorance, frankly.
I know some guys here will (and have) disagreed with me on this, but I've still yet to meet or see posts here, or anywhere, where guys have trained 15-20 years naturally, did a cycle (or more) of androgens for a time, come clean for 6 months or more, and retain anything they couldn't have built naturally on their own over the same time period. It strikes me then, that at least for those of us who aren't going to compete, which is most of us, that waiting until one has achieved their own upper limits first, means guys waste more of their $ watching their hard earned, androgen enhanced gains go bye-bye well beyond post cycle. This is rather backwards, in MHO.
In my own case, I just like to be bigger and more muscular during the warm weather months. But I'm also practical enough in my approach NOT to expect that I'm going to keep much of what I gain when taking PH's or even AS, as I've been doing this for many years now and am much closer to my own potential, however one cares to define that.
It's obvious to me that reading through Kitchen Chemist's myriad posts here and elsewhere, that he's done a lot of research on AS, PH, training, nutrition, etc. So AS/PH are helping him get to where he wants to be more quickly than otherwise would be possible....... what's wrong with that? Nothing, I say.
So kudos to you Kitchen Chemist. Keep up the good work.
Be well guys.
You've packed on some very appreciable mass. Back double-bi's shot is impressive. Nice job. I've read elsewhere you're hopping into another cycle soon, best of luck. I'd bet that by next Spring, if you can lean out a bit, you'll really have an impressive physique. Go for it.
I realize I have a different perspective on AS & PH than many of you here, but I'll put my $0.02 in here anyway because it's being debated here as to whether or not Chemist should have waited longer to get into PH/AS.
A lot of guys in their 20's just don't want to wait until they're in their 40's to hit their prime. And I don't blame them. I would never advocate PH or AS for a newbie, but at some point, within a year or 3 for most guys once they begin training, natural gains taper off dramatically. Especially for guys with limited genetics, which is most of us.
For guys who are nearly pure ecto, like I was, we can put on 25 lbs of mass and in street clothes, people still don't know we train our asses off. I'm 6'4", 240 lbs now (250 lbs post PH cycle, my last 2). As a senior in high school, I weighed 175-180 lbs. Heck, I was so long and lanky I only went up maybe 1 clothing size after getting to 205 lbs training naturally. So if a guy has his training and diet generally in line and gains are tapering off, I feel that's just as appropriate a time as any other to begin an AS or PH regimen provided they understand benefits vs. risks in all respects.
I clearly see (as would everyone I think, who looks at this objectively) that guys KEEP a lot more of their gains from AS or PH insofar as using them as an aid toward reaching their potential sooner, than they do having trained naturally first for 15+ years but are now trying to push their physique toward that of monstrosity; and well beyond what their own endocrine systems can support unenhanced once they come clean. I think all the fuss some guys make when they say "gee, I thought guys were supposed to hit their natural potential first" is more rooted in jealousy or insecurity; or even in ignorance, frankly.
I know some guys here will (and have) disagreed with me on this, but I've still yet to meet or see posts here, or anywhere, where guys have trained 15-20 years naturally, did a cycle (or more) of androgens for a time, come clean for 6 months or more, and retain anything they couldn't have built naturally on their own over the same time period. It strikes me then, that at least for those of us who aren't going to compete, which is most of us, that waiting until one has achieved their own upper limits first, means guys waste more of their $ watching their hard earned, androgen enhanced gains go bye-bye well beyond post cycle. This is rather backwards, in MHO.
In my own case, I just like to be bigger and more muscular during the warm weather months. But I'm also practical enough in my approach NOT to expect that I'm going to keep much of what I gain when taking PH's or even AS, as I've been doing this for many years now and am much closer to my own potential, however one cares to define that.
It's obvious to me that reading through Kitchen Chemist's myriad posts here and elsewhere, that he's done a lot of research on AS, PH, training, nutrition, etc. So AS/PH are helping him get to where he wants to be more quickly than otherwise would be possible....... what's wrong with that? Nothing, I say.
So kudos to you Kitchen Chemist. Keep up the good work.
Be well guys.
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I tried to send you a PM the other day but you have it turned off?
