Adding Epiandrosterone to TRT protocol?

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Anybody have experience running long prohormone cycles or running prohormones indefinetely? I have low DHT and real low sex drive while on TRT and am considering adding Epiandrosterone into my daily regimen, since doc won't prescribe DHT gel. Thinking that, since it is a natural compound and relatively mild prohormone, this shouldn't cause any major problems. I've tried Proviron and Epiandrosterone in the past, Proviron helped libido but is illegal. Epiandro really helped my mood to make me feel young again. Any input is appreciated.
 
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Anybody have experience running long prohormone cycles or running prohormones indefinetely? I have low DHT and real low sex drive while on TRT and am considering adding Epiandrosterone into my daily regimen, since doc won't prescribe DHT gel. Thinking that, since it is a natural compound and relatively mild prohormone, this shouldn't cause any major problems. I've tried Proviron and Epiandrosterone in the past, Proviron helped libido but is illegal. Epiandro really helped my mood to make me feel young again. Any input is appreciated.
I get more of a mind muscle connection from Epiandro then I do with proviron. However libido is amazing on proviron.
 

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Same here. Libido is great w proviron, but epiandro is more just vascularity and mental edge. Makes me wonder if it’s proviron boosting Free T and Epiandro boosting DHT. Weird though because epiandro (dht) is supposed to free up more test by binding to shbg and aromatase.
 

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Bump... any thoughts? Indefinite epiandro cycle sound like a bad idea?
 
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I’d like to know this too. Or androsterone may be even better. And would this increase hematocrit dramatically? I’ve seen some comments around the net that DHT type drugs like these or masteron stimulate erythrocytosis much less than stronger anabolics.
 

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I've been on TRT for almost 9 years and run several cycles of epiandro a year. It is an amazing adjunct for mood, positive aggression, and fat loss. However, in my personal experience, my BP rises and I see acne sides after 3-4 weeks. I pick my spots because the results are fast on TRT, so if I am going on a vacation, entering some athletic comp, etc.. I will start it 2-3 weeks prior. Then I stop, so for me, indefinite isn't really an option but I always have it laying around.
 
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I've been on TRT for almost 9 years and run several cycles of epiandro a year. It is an amazing adjunct for mood, positive aggression, and fat loss. However, in my personal experience, my BP rises and I see acne sides after 3-4 weeks. I pick my spots because the results are fast on TRT, so if I am going on a vacation, entering some athletic comp, etc.. I will start it 2-3 weeks prior. Then I stop, so for me, indefinite isn't really an option but I always have it laying around.
Any particular brand and dose?
 
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I’d personally look more at Androsterone than EPI. You could always go with AndroHard, it has both.
 

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Lol, sorry I have another thread going and the same thing was asked. But, in any case, I wouldn't really know because I stop taking it 30-45 days before any TRT bloodwork. I have no reason to believe it has an effect as I am always in range even living at altitude.
 
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Lol, sorry I have another thread going and the same thing was asked. But, in any case, I wouldn't really know because I stop taking it 30-45 days before any TRT bloodwork. I have no reason to believe it has an effect as I am always in range even living at altitude.
lol gotcha.
I’ve seen you say you run Androhard, but do you use any oral epiandro or androsterone and what dose?
 

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I LOVE androhard, but yes I have run epiandro solo in oral form and it is nice for leaning out, strength maintenance while on slight deficit, and some mild mood boost, but I believe the real "alpha" mood comes from the androsterone in androhard. Epiandro delivers, but it feels like it is just riding the line of feeling really good and feeling amazing.
 
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I LOVE androhard, but yes I have run epiandro solo in oral form and it is nice for leaning out, strength maintenance while on slight deficit, and some mild mood boost, but I believe the real "alpha" mood comes from the androsterone in androhard. Epiandro delivers, but it feels like it is just riding the line of feeling really good and feeling amazing.
Gotcha. I hate transdermal products and worry about contaminating my family, so I’m going to try Hard Rock’s R-Andro Shred in a few weeks.
 

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I LOVE androhard, but yes I have run epiandro solo in oral form and it is nice for leaning out, strength maintenance while on slight deficit, and some mild mood boost, but I believe the real "alpha" mood comes from the androsterone in androhard. Epiandro delivers, but it feels like it is just riding the line of feeling really good and feeling amazing.
Do u notice any estrogenic rebound between your Epiandro cycles? And do you feel as if you've developed a tolerance at all to Epiandrosterone?
 

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No rebound and no tolerance issues that I can see.
 

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No rebound and no tolerance issues that I can see.
Good to know. Do u see any value in cycling Epiandro? The reason I ask is because I’ve experienced no negative side effects after 2 months of use. I think their is some tolerance developed, for instance, my 200 mg daily at the start of the cycle feels about the same as 750mg daily now.
 

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Yeah, extended use sides I saw were continually elevated HR and BP that were affecting cardio work. Also, increased sweating and oily skin. They all go away 1-2 weeks after stopping, but I noticed it starting to increase at about weeks 6-8.
 

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Yeah, extended use sides I saw were continually elevated HR and BP that were affecting cardio work. Also, increased sweating and oily skin. They all go away 1-2 weeks after stopping, but I noticed it starting to increase at about weeks 6-8.
How many pumps of androhard do you usually use?
 

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12 total split in half a.m and pm.
I'm doing the same right now, 2 weeks in. Starting to get a few zits and my bp has gone from ~106/63 to ~122/82. Other than that I love the stuff.
 
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I'm doing the same right now, 2 weeks in. Starting to get a few zits and my bp has gone from ~106/63 to ~122/82. Other than that I love the stuff.
Beet Root powder helps with my BP.
 
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I might have to start that up again, how much do you take?
1 tbsp in the morning and 1 more pre on workout days. I take natures own or something like that. Has some extra vitamins and stuff thrown in.
 
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Has anyone tried 3AD instead of this with their TRT?
 

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Updating this thread with how things went. I started off running 150mg of LG sciences Epi-Andro everyday dosed 50mg @ morning, preworkout, and afternoon. About two months in, I switched to 100mg dosed all preworkout.

Pros:
- strong mental drive outside of the gym, felt very motivated and driven regarding work and my career in general
- mood boost, more confident
- good vascularity
- good strength gains
- think I noticed body recomp, but this could be credited to diet changes

Cons:
- hair shedding got pretty bad the longer I ran it
- definitely crashed my estrogen, was super fatigued by month 3

I was hoping for similar effects to proviron, in a legal manner. Proviron had much stronger libido effects and weaker mental effects in the gym. Epiandro has pretty zip libido effects but a great CNS boost in the gym. I think if I were to continue running the Epiandro and just dropped my AI from my TRT protocol, I could’ve prolonged the run, but I let the low estrogen symptoms get too bad before I thought to do that so I dropped the Epiandro instead. I will hold on to the Epiandro to use as an AI during my test/dbol blast next summer. In the meantime, I’ve ordered proviron to run somewhere between 50-100mg daily with my TRT. Proviron at 75mg daily didn’t really create too strong an anti-estrogenic effect for me, so I’m not concerned about having the same problem as I did with Epiandro. The only side I noticed from proviron was elevated blood pressure (very noticeable vascularity-wise) but Cialis has made that not an issue. If anyone wants, I will start a new thread about the probably-indefinite proviron run with my TRT.
 

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Has anyone tried 3AD instead of this with their TRT?
What is 3AD? I’ve heard about it in other threads, but I can’t seem to find anything on it on google. Could you link a 3AD product? I think I’ve been googling the wrong thing.
 
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What is 3AD? I’ve heard about it in other threads, but I can’t seem to find anything on it on google. Could you link a 3AD product? I think I’ve been googling the wrong thing.
No, I know as much as you do about it lol.
 
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What is 3AD? I’ve heard about it in other threads, but I can’t seem to find anything on it on google. Could you link a 3AD product? I think I’ve been googling the wrong thing.
 

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