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Hey guys, been off and on adderall for years. I use it primarily for productivity but recently have found that I may be dependent on it. Obviously years of use has caused the need to increase the dose amount. It works great, but when I’m off of it I feel irritable and just plain shltty.

Anyone have ‘healthier’ substitutes or ideas?
 

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Hey guys, been off and on adderall for years. I use it primarily for productivity but recently have found that I may be dependent on it. Obviously years of use has caused the need to increase the dose amount. It works great, but when I’m off of it I feel irritable and just plain shltty.

Anyone have ‘healthier’ substitutes or ideas?
Ephedrine.
Nicotine.
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I've read amp citrate is pretty good and in that realm, I haven't tried it though. Been real curious about modafinil. Any sponsors rocking that right now?
 
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Interested in the modafinil. Did a search and looks like it’s hard to come by from legit sources
 
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@TheVenom how do FLAdafanil and FLModaf compare?
 
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Maybe someone will drop in and lend some insight. I appreciate your honesty! (y)
 

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I'll PM you, I have a legit spot for all my modafinil. And, while I don't take adderall, a couple friends do and they love modafinil for it's productivity.

The only thing I would say is that it definitely is not cardio supportive. It will diminish the quality of your workouts if you take it prior, so space it out. It doesn't act like ephedrine or similar in that manner.
 
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I'll PM you, I have a legit spot for all my modafinil. And, while I don't take adderall, a couple friends do and they love modafinil for it's productivity.

The only thing I would say is that it definitely is not cardio supportive. It will diminish the quality of your workouts if you take it prior, so space it out. It doesn't act like ephedrine or similar in that manner.
thanks! I’ll take a look at the link and let you guys know how it all works out
 

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FLmodafinil has been shown in few limited studies to have greater bioavailability than regular modafinil and YET I've taken it and it does not compare to moda. Perhaps people respond definately, but from my own perspective I can tell you don't waste your money on it. Yes, it will work but my experience was very diminished. Never tried armodafinil, but in terms of brands of generic moda I can tell you I can swear by two:

- modalert, known and loved by many
- modafresh, cheaper, produced by a smaller pharma corporation, it triggers much faster than modalert has about 90% of modalert's peak potential, does not surpress your appetite as much as the one above
 

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I personally am a fan of armodafinil and that is usually what I buy- Waklert. I can't even take a whole one because taken first thing in the morning and my sleep is still disrupted that night. Modafinil is great if you are into it for the euphoria, which I love, but it does make me a little irritated if anything disrupts my tasks. So great for task work, but not social.
 
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I personally am a fan of armodafinil and that is usually what I buy- Waklert. I can't even take a whole one because taken first thing in the morning and my sleep is still disrupted that night. Modafinil is great if you are into it for the euphoria, which I love, but it does make me a little irritated if anything disrupts my tasks. So great for task work, but not social.
good info bud. do you personally experience any other sides?
 
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Appreciate the responses. I ended up getting a sampler pack as well as pouch of Waklert. I’ve been off adderal for about 5 days and realize now just how dependent I’ve become on it. Scary sh1t
 
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Appreciate the responses. I ended up getting a sampler pack as well as pouch of Waklert. I’ve been off adderal for about 5 days and realize now just how dependent I’ve become on it. Scary sh1t
please update us. i will order the sampler too whenever the holiday spending is over lol
 
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You guys ever get worried about getting in trouble for ordering moda?

PM me with that reliable source plz
 

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I take 1/2 tablet of the 30mg Adderall and it gives me all day energy. I normally use it 1-2 times per week. For me, Adderall effects are better then modafinil's effects.

I would like to try armodafinil to see how it works for me. Can someone PM me a reliable place to order?
 

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I take 1/2 tablet of the 30mg Adderall and it gives me all day energy. I normally use it 1-2 times per week. For me, Adderall effects are better then modafinil's effects.

I would like to try armodafinil to see how it works for me. Can someone PM me a reliable place to order?
Do you use IR or the XR
 

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I take 1/2 tablet of the 30mg Adderall and it gives me all day energy. I normally use it 1-2 times per week. For me, Adderall effects are better then modafinil's effects.

I would like to try armodafinil to see how it works for me. Can someone PM me a reliable place to order?
One is a wakefullness promoting drug, the other is speed. I wouldn't expect them to be exactly the same as really the only similarity is the effect on productivity.
 
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Which of the ‘finils’ are good for social events rather than productivity?
 

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Looking for a source for moda for a research project. Pm me
 

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Hey guys, been off and on adderall for years. I use it primarily for productivity but recently have found that I may be dependent on it. Obviously years of use has caused the need to increase the dose amount. It works great, but when I’m off of it I feel irritable and just plain shltty.

Anyone have ‘healthier’ substitutes or ideas?
Stack 1:
50-100mg Phenylpiracetam
10-20mg Noopept
300mg Alpha GPC
*If needed:
200mg Caffeine
100mg L-Theanine

Should be good for you; I have personal experience with the stack and can attest to the amazing focus. If you need more add in some caffeine and L-theanine. If you want some auxiliaries for stress add in Bacopa Moneri and Lion's Mane. Please start with lowest effective dose and dose EOD to avoid tolerance. Good luck! If you truly miss the feeling of Adderall or continue to have headaches try PEA(Phenylethylamine HCL) and slowly wane off of it while incorporating other stims to help. If the stack isn't doing it for you I'd do 300mg PEA and 30mg Hordenine and see how far that gets you. DO NOT OVERDO THE HORDENINE, it can cause an increase in blood pressure if you go extremely high. I wouldn't go higher than 500mg PEA and 50mg Hordenine a day.
 

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Stack 1:
50-100mg Phenylpiracetam
10-20mg Noopept
300mg Alpha GPC
*If needed:
200mg Caffeine
100mg L-Theanine

Should be good for you; I have personal experience with the stack and can attest to the amazing focus. If you need more add in some caffeine and L-theanine. If you want some auxiliaries for stress add in Bacopa Moneri and Lion's Mane. Please start with lowest effective dose and dose EOD to avoid tolerance. Good luck! If you truly miss the feeling of Adderall or continue to have headaches try PEA(Phenylethylamine HCL) and slowly wane off of it while incorporating other stims to help. If the stack isn't doing it for you I'd do 300mg PEA and 30mg Hordenine and see how far that gets you. DO NOT OVERDO THE HORDENINE, it can cause an increase in blood pressure if you go extremely high. I wouldn't go higher than 500mg PEA and 50mg Hordenine a day.
To clarify do not do the PEA and Hordenine with all the other stims. If the stack provided above (even with caffeine) doesn't help, then migrate to ONLY Pea and Hordenine. The Gradually wane off PEA/Hordenine and incorporate small amounts of Stack 1 into your protocol. ALWAYS use Alpha GPC or a choline source when using Phenylpiracetam or Noopept.
 
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Stack 1:
50-100mg Phenylpiracetam
10-20mg Noopept
300mg Alpha GPC
*If needed:
200mg Caffeine
100mg L-Theanine

Should be good for you; I have personal experience with the stack and can attest to the amazing focus. If you need more add in some caffeine and L-theanine. If you want some auxiliaries for stress add in Bacopa Moneri and Lion's Mane. Please start with lowest effective dose and dose EOD to avoid tolerance. Good luck! If you truly miss the feeling of Adderall or continue to have headaches try PEA(Phenylethylamine HCL) and slowly wane off of it while incorporating other stims to help. If the stack isn't doing it for you I'd do 300mg PEA and 30mg Hordenine and see how far that gets you. DO NOT OVERDO THE HORDENINE, it can cause an increase in blood pressure if you go extremely high. I wouldn't go higher than 500mg PEA and 50mg Hordenine a day.
Choline and racetams don't actually seem to be subject to tolerance buildup like you are suggesting, at least not based on some rodent research showing that repeated administration of the two was superior to acute dosing. Not to mention that bacopa, which you mentioned as an additional support ingredient, really shines with daily dosing for several weeks, and lion's mane also is best used with daily dosing for weeks.

Unless of course you're only talking about caffeine and theanine in regards to tolerance build-up. I'm just not sure, since you mentioned tolerance after bacopa and lion's mane, so I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to regarding tolerance build-up. That said, adding some theacrine to the caffeine and theanine can help to get a bit more effect without having to up the caffeine dose and build up tolerance, as theacrine does not seem to be subject to the same tolerance buildup as caffeine. I find theacrine a poor substitution for caffeine, but a solid addition to it.
 

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Choline and racetams don't actually seem to be subject to tolerance buildup like you are suggesting, at least not based on some rodent research showing that repeated administration of the two was superior to acute dosing. Not to mention that bacopa, which you mentioned as an additional support ingredient, really shines with daily dosing for several weeks, and lion's mane also is best used with daily dosing for weeks.

Unless of course you're only talking about caffeine and theanine in regards to tolerance build-up. I'm just not sure, since you mentioned tolerance after bacopa and lion's mane, so I'm not sure exactly what you're referring to regarding tolerance build-up. That said, adding some theacrine to the caffeine and theanine can help to get a bit more effect without having to up the caffeine dose and build up tolerance, as theacrine does not seem to be subject to the same tolerance buildup as caffeine. I find theacrine a poor substitution for caffeine, but a solid addition to it.
The only ones I'd watch out for in terms of tolerance is Noopept/Phenylpiracetam (not Bacopi mb). If the research says otherwise, they feel free to dose everyday. I usually dose EOD because I, subjectively experience tolerance with these nootropics, your mileage may vary. However my experience does not indicate yours. Can you link a study to read through my dude? I would like to check it out.
 
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The only ones I'd watch out for in terms of tolerance is Noopept/Phenylpiracetam (not Bacopi mb). If the research says otherwise, they feel free to dose everyday. I usually dose EOD because I, subjectively experience tolerance with these nootropics, your mileage may vary. However my experience does not indicate yours. Can you link a study to read through my dude? I would like to check it out.
Oh, phenylpiracetam yeah, that's a good catch. Phenyl shouldn't be used daily for subjective effects (IIRC limited research for medical uses seemed to suggest otherwise, but it's been a little while), but something like piracetam or anitracetam is better used daily. I have never heard not to use Noopept daily either. In fact, I think I recalled seeing studies showing that it worked better after a few weeks of daily use. I will try to pull up the studies for you though.
 
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The only ones I'd watch out for in terms of tolerance is Noopept/Phenylpiracetam (not Bacopi mb). If the research says otherwise, they feel free to dose everyday. I usually dose EOD because I, subjectively experience tolerance with these nootropics, your mileage may vary. However my experience does not indicate yours. Can you link a study to read through my dude? I would like to check it out.
Rodent study on piracetam + choline:
Further, repeated administration (1 week) of the piracetam/choline combination was superior to acute injections.

Human study on piracetam showing benefits after 14 days of use, but not 7:


Although piracetam does still seem to perhaps have some acute effects (see study linked below), but perhaps the time to become statistically significant or observable depends on the task, subjects, or even the dose used per serving:


And a study on Noopept for treatment of patients with mild cognitive disorders in organic brain diseases of vascular and traumatic origin seemed to start showing benefits in some parameters for Noopept after a few weeks of daily use:


Although that was for actual cognitive recovery uses, not purely a subjective perceived "feeling." So if you're just using it for a "feeling," I don't know if any of these studies actually argue against that. But for cognitive improvement, I think they're decent argument.

Although this doesn't touch phenylpiracetam.
 
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I would expect none, based on everything I've heard and read. I bet many pwo's are better for social events, than the -finils.
IME -finils are not good for socializing. They are decent for focus and productivity.
 
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IME -finils are not good for socializing. They are decent for focus and productivity.
Exactly the picture I've gotten. Some even say moda kills their creativity and 'articism'. And I think having a good time and cracking jokes benefits from those attributes = )
 
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Exactly the picture I've gotten. Some even say moda kills their creativity and 'articism'. And I think having a good time and cracking jokes benefits from those attributes = )
Moda does do that. It makes me more robotic, but damn you can really crush a lot of tasks while using it.
 
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Moda does do that. It makes me more robotic, but damn you can really crush a lot of tasks while using it.
Sounds good. I sometimes try to use some stims that are better suited for those social events to storm through a long to do -list at work (I work remotly from home). It works well for couple hours, but at some point I end up playing the guitar or listening to music or something instead of working, lol.
 
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anyone purchase from “buymoda”? i got no tracking number or anything. is that normal? lol
 
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