DAdams91982
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Chuck, Your posts are just fvcking fantastic. Your shlt makes me laugh. At least you have that going for you.
Adams
Activate Xtreme vs. Diesel Test Hardcore
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Chuck, Your posts are just fvcking fantastic. Your shlt makes me laugh. At least you have that going for you.
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Sldge
Super Lab Rat
If they are doing bloodwork then its a great idea. But they need to have been clean prior to using either product, taking blood work before and after.
You may have posted it but I havent seen you post any bloodwork by anyone who has used DTH only with before and after results.
LH increase has a minor effect when it comes to boosting test and is quickly downgraded. Asking someone about semen volume or erection strength does not mean that testosterone has been raised.
Based on your formula and all of the science that supports it, its only good for libido, as a sex enhancer and to increase semen volume. Longjack is the only compound in your entire formula that has been shown to increase test in men. So of course you want that to be something someone needs to comment on to show your product is working. ACTX was not formulated for those purposes.
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
FYI, since you can get a 98% extract there is nothing innovative about getting a 50% over a 15%. But this is something youll never understand because you dont understand the science.
Without me introducing Divanil to the BB industry, Chuck wouldnt be using it in any of his formulas. But again this is Chuck trying to take focus off him not answering ANY questions about his product.
AdelV
Well-known member
High test isnt everything.... I mean I already have high test...
If a product makes u aggressive, that would make u push more = more weight gain... in my terms, im a very calm person.. so I like products which make me alpha male!!
But ye.. currently doing DTH..... and sometime in the next few months, ill try AE cos i have a bottle here.
If a product makes u aggressive, that would make u push more = more weight gain... in my terms, im a very calm person.. so I like products which make me alpha male!!
But ye.. currently doing DTH..... and sometime in the next few months, ill try AE cos i have a bottle here.
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
Here is where you started in an ACTX tester log of Criticalbench.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
Wow...impressive log
I'm glad to see it's working well for you,
Your response:
Did I miss something?
Followed it up where you said you shouldnt have made that comment:
Quote
oh thanks that really wasnt nec on my part, but it was after unhocky's comment. Hope it kicks in for you and ur libido comes back.
Here is where you tell an ACTX tester that they should take the product different from what I have suggested and then you take a cheap shot at any formula without zinc (your still only concerned about LH production):
He needs to run the AE without the zinc at night to compare to his DTH log without zinc at night. But I would never sug. someone doesn?t take zinc just to make a good comparison because zinc is essential to mental clarity and LH production. Anyone who formulates nat. test boosters who really knows what they are doing should include zinc in the product.
Thats when Uhockey posted this:
What I (we) do not appreciate is "competitors" entering our logs and running their mouth. Never once did we enter a diesel log and spew about the superiority of our product, science, or formulation....though we could have. If Chunk Diesel is going to come in here and compare/contrast, then I want the logs to be 100% identical in training/diet/etc.
And in your response to Uhockey who is a medical doctor, you tell him he doesnt know about the HPTA but we are supposed to believe you do? You wont discuss any science.
I never came in this log talking about the superiority of DTH, the formulation or anything like that. My original comment was after you said adding his zinc would have no effect on his results from AX. I shouldn?t have made the comment something like, "if DS knew how to formulate blalba" because that was not really directed to DS, more to unhocky for always making sug., comments about how supplements affect the HTPA when he doesnt know how sups. really affect the HTPA or nutritional needs for people who train at that "sports nutrition level" versus his "treadmill nutrition level." So anyway you can compare this product to DTH not cutting, with zinc, whatever thats fine with me. If anything he should be in a better enviorment to respond great to AX right now.
And that is in just 1 thread.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZacharyMills
Wow...impressive log
I'm glad to see it's working well for you,
Your response:
Did I miss something?
Followed it up where you said you shouldnt have made that comment:
Quote
oh thanks that really wasnt nec on my part, but it was after unhocky's comment. Hope it kicks in for you and ur libido comes back.
Here is where you tell an ACTX tester that they should take the product different from what I have suggested and then you take a cheap shot at any formula without zinc (your still only concerned about LH production):
He needs to run the AE without the zinc at night to compare to his DTH log without zinc at night. But I would never sug. someone doesn?t take zinc just to make a good comparison because zinc is essential to mental clarity and LH production. Anyone who formulates nat. test boosters who really knows what they are doing should include zinc in the product.
Thats when Uhockey posted this:
What I (we) do not appreciate is "competitors" entering our logs and running their mouth. Never once did we enter a diesel log and spew about the superiority of our product, science, or formulation....though we could have. If Chunk Diesel is going to come in here and compare/contrast, then I want the logs to be 100% identical in training/diet/etc.
And in your response to Uhockey who is a medical doctor, you tell him he doesnt know about the HPTA but we are supposed to believe you do? You wont discuss any science.
I never came in this log talking about the superiority of DTH, the formulation or anything like that. My original comment was after you said adding his zinc would have no effect on his results from AX. I shouldn?t have made the comment something like, "if DS knew how to formulate blalba" because that was not really directed to DS, more to unhocky for always making sug., comments about how supplements affect the HTPA when he doesnt know how sups. really affect the HTPA or nutritional needs for people who train at that "sports nutrition level" versus his "treadmill nutrition level." So anyway you can compare this product to DTH not cutting, with zinc, whatever thats fine with me. If anything he should be in a better enviorment to respond great to AX right now.
And that is in just 1 thread.
Vitruvian
O.G. Appnut
The thread is what it is. People can offer their opinions.
There is NO WAY to determine which is a better product. Why? Because it's based on preference and opinion.
Chuck, I hope you are seeing that like it or not, the consumer DOES want scientific discussion of the formulations. Maybe your particular consumer base doesn't, as you have stated. But by staying your course you are limiting yourself to the same consumer base. Everyone knows why you (as well as other companies) are here. It's to sell product. To sell more products than you did yesterday. To sell more than you did last year.
I am not (nor have I ever in the past) arguing whether or not your products work or not. Because as stated, that's up to the user, and I've never tried anything in your lineup. But I will say I have NOT been a user do to a lot of the reasons stated in this thread. I could read 100 logs back to back on why DTHC is so good, then when I review the facts on the product, I am going to stop right there. I want to see everything adding up to a good thing. Not just one huge piece of the puzzle being good. No offense intended Chuck...... We've butted heads, but I have nothing at all against you or your products. I actually wish the best for you. There's plenty of room in this industry for everyone. Because of this, I am asking you to re-evaluate your tactics and approach.
DS, Take the high road
There is NO WAY to determine which is a better product. Why? Because it's based on preference and opinion.
Chuck, I hope you are seeing that like it or not, the consumer DOES want scientific discussion of the formulations. Maybe your particular consumer base doesn't, as you have stated. But by staying your course you are limiting yourself to the same consumer base. Everyone knows why you (as well as other companies) are here. It's to sell product. To sell more products than you did yesterday. To sell more than you did last year.
I am not (nor have I ever in the past) arguing whether or not your products work or not. Because as stated, that's up to the user, and I've never tried anything in your lineup. But I will say I have NOT been a user do to a lot of the reasons stated in this thread. I could read 100 logs back to back on why DTHC is so good, then when I review the facts on the product, I am going to stop right there. I want to see everything adding up to a good thing. Not just one huge piece of the puzzle being good. No offense intended Chuck...... We've butted heads, but I have nothing at all against you or your products. I actually wish the best for you. There's plenty of room in this industry for everyone. Because of this, I am asking you to re-evaluate your tactics and approach.
DS, Take the high road
Sldge
Super Lab Rat
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
dude seriously are you even reading the post you are replying to? I didn't say eval. the products on semen volume or erections. there is no reason for you to continue to try to say what dth will do based on you looking at the sup facts and knocking the product. if the testers get pre and post lab work that's fine but shouldn't be manditory, its all about results and what benifit they get from the product. people by products for results not lab work.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
thats not harrasing a "customer" of DS. I told him that because I believe he was asking some questions about zinc, his normal dosage of something like 50mg PM was in question or something like that. Anyway I can go on explaining but thats not important. Those are not examples of me "harrassing" a "consumer."
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
The thread is what it is. People can offer their opinions.
There is NO WAY to determine which is a better product. Why? Because it's based on preference and opinion.
Chuck, I hope you are seeing that like it or not, the consumer DOES want scientific discussion of the formulations. Maybe your particular consumer base doesn't, as you have stated. But by staying your course you are limiting yourself to the same consumer base. Everyone knows why you (as well as other companies) are here. It's to sell product. To sell more products than you did yesterday. To sell more than you did last year.
I am not (nor have I ever in the past) arguing whether or not your products work or not. Because as stated, that's up to the user, and I've never tried anything in your lineup. But I will say I have NOT been a user do to a lot of the reasons stated in this thread. I could read 100 logs back to back on why DTHC is so good, then when I review the facts on the product, I am going to stop right there. I want to see everything adding up to a good thing. Not just one huge piece of the puzzle being good. No offense intended Chuck...... We've butted heads, but I have nothing at all against you or your products. I actually wish the best for you. There's plenty of room in this industry for everyone. Because of this, I am asking you to re-evaluate your tactics and approach.
DS, Take the high road
Some consumers, mainly msg. board consumers who are all into the science and "pubmed" effect of a product do want to see a "scientific" write up but not on a whole. Me providing that isnt going to change the end result of the product. I mean you saying SERM this and that talk or quoting pumbed over and over makes a product better? Its still the same product. I worked retail at GNC for over 5 years, sold GET DIESEL products direct only to consumers for a few years when GET DIESEL started, talk to store owners, men and women at several gyms every week and consumers in stores around tampa and Orlando, and not one of them have been concerned with anything "scientific" about a product. They just have two question, "what is this product going to do for me" and "is it one of the best out for its intended purpose?"
Im not asking anyone including DS to change the way their write up reads. My products will always explain what the consumer should expect from the product with a guarantee behind it. Thats it.
"There is NO WAY to determine which is a better product. Why? Because it's based on preference and opinion. "
Yeah thats how all consumer buying eval. of two different products are made, on personal preference and opinion and how they respond to the product. If people evaluate two product for strenght gains....I mean......whats so hard to determine which one is better?
Anway Im going to do another thread for actx loggers to sign up and test DTH and compare the two. DS you can do the same or take the "high road."
-Last entry (until I post the link to the thread looking for people to eval, and post their "preference and opinion").
Vitruvian
O.G. Appnut
An individual can determine which is the better of 2. For themself. In the big scheme of things, there can be no "better" product in everyone's mind. Pushing the issue and trying to put down competitors to increase sales of your products- not gonna work long term.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance. It is the illusion of knowledge.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
ok I lied about last entry........Landbane, look at the first post of this thread.
Im not trying to have a one is better in everyones mind.....only get feedback from people who have used both products.
Put down competitiors? Are you talking about DS? I didnt put down Actx, I said from the feedback from people who have used both no one has ever said on any msg board that they like actx better. DS is telling me my product is just for erections and sex drive and nothing else, and because it contains tribulus its garbage.....and his "fan club" is saying DTH is just sht thrown at the wall.
Anway I didnt put down any product trying to increase the sales of my product. This has nothing to do with people using either product in the future it has to do with people who have used both giving feedback.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Yeah, thats fine and dandy to DS but as a consumer, are you concerned with "scientific" write ups on products, or "what will this product do for me?"
Do you feel DTH was only good for erections and semen volume?
TripDog
Bananas
Write ups don't mean sh*t to me, anyone can just make up claims, and whatever. DTH for me was more like cycle, than just a sperm volume product.
I did use the old Activate and liked that a lot as well. I did not try the new Activate though.
I have to say DTH is the supplement of the year so far, I really felt like a million dollars on it, and my workouts were straight bananas!!
~Trip
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Dont you represent a company that bases all their supplements on science? And I must add have some of the most amazing write ups I have seen?
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TripDog
Bananas
ALL supplements are based on science!! WTF is your point?
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Back up there tough guy. I wasn't being a dlck. I was asking. Because you are vouching for a product that the science will not be discussed about.
Being a rep and to say a write up doesnt mean shlt when you represent a company that puts out some thorough write ups seems ironic to me. Believe it or not, every post you make doesnt only represent your own views now, but the views of who you represent.
Such as I, everything I do in my life doesnt only represent myself, but the military as well.
Just something to think about.
Adams
AdelV
Well-known member
I don't take sides... both companies are awesome..
But no one gives a **** about science.. seriously.. how many people actually freakin understand the write ups?> like 2%? And with all the bull**** companies around with their bull**** write ups and science, who the hell believes any of it?
One thing Ive noticed...and this is only prob more people have used AE or the original, is that there has been a fair few people who've said It did nothing for them, and Ive not once seen a DTH log or reviewer who said they didnt enjoy it or it didnt work....
But Im assuming, designer supps out-sells get diesel.. so more users, more feedback..
Both products are great and I think eveyrone needs to take a step back.. I think the last formula contained nettle root in DT... so it would kinda make this argument pretty stupid, considering It contained the main herb in AE...
So your both business's owners and im surprised your both fighting over nothing? Dont you guys have large companies to run?
Its not good for either business, both are great products... both work currently in different ways..
Chuck If you want science for your product, Its a fairly easy write up, considering ever herb you use has about a trillion reviews/feedback....you can prob do a mega b/s write up anyway..(im not sure why you dont) It may get you extra sales and thats the world we live in...
I cant believe this thread is going on tho, Its entertaining, but I hate to see people argue like this.. esp you 2.. I dont know designer supps, seems nice enough, and chuck has always be really helpful and nice towards me..
So what ya say? we all just move on?
lol
But no one gives a **** about science.. seriously.. how many people actually freakin understand the write ups?> like 2%? And with all the bull**** companies around with their bull**** write ups and science, who the hell believes any of it?
One thing Ive noticed...and this is only prob more people have used AE or the original, is that there has been a fair few people who've said It did nothing for them, and Ive not once seen a DTH log or reviewer who said they didnt enjoy it or it didnt work....
But Im assuming, designer supps out-sells get diesel.. so more users, more feedback..
Both products are great and I think eveyrone needs to take a step back.. I think the last formula contained nettle root in DT... so it would kinda make this argument pretty stupid, considering It contained the main herb in AE...
So your both business's owners and im surprised your both fighting over nothing? Dont you guys have large companies to run?
Its not good for either business, both are great products... both work currently in different ways..
Chuck If you want science for your product, Its a fairly easy write up, considering ever herb you use has about a trillion reviews/feedback....you can prob do a mega b/s write up anyway..(im not sure why you dont) It may get you extra sales and thats the world we live in...
I cant believe this thread is going on tho, Its entertaining, but I hate to see people argue like this.. esp you 2.. I dont know designer supps, seems nice enough, and chuck has always be really helpful and nice towards me..
So what ya say? we all just move on?
lol
TripDog
Bananas
Dont tell me what to do...thank-you have a nice day
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
he's saying all products are based and formulated on science. if the manufacture does not discus the science in the write up or in a public forum doesn't mean the product has no science behind it.
Vitruvian
O.G. Appnut
AdelV,
Your comments highlight the reasoning this industry is full of problems. People who take whatever other people tell them is good, even when there is no way for them to know more about it; will be the ultimate downfall.
Tripdog,
All supplements are based on science? Science is not putting together haphazard amounts of numerous things and saying it's a scientific formulation. I am not accusing Chuck of this per se, but when I cannot see proof otherwise, for the sake of my health and safety, it is what I will assume. Having crushing fanboys doesn't make your opinion special.
Anyways, like Designer, I too am done here.
Your comments highlight the reasoning this industry is full of problems. People who take whatever other people tell them is good, even when there is no way for them to know more about it; will be the ultimate downfall.
Tripdog,
All supplements are based on science? Science is not putting together haphazard amounts of numerous things and saying it's a scientific formulation. I am not accusing Chuck of this per se, but when I cannot see proof otherwise, for the sake of my health and safety, it is what I will assume. Having crushing fanboys doesn't make your opinion special.
Anyways, like Designer, I too am done here.
rippedforce63
Registered User
Theres dozens of ACTX logs all over the forums.:think:
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
this industry is full of problems because people manufacture their own sup in house versus cGMP approved facilities, they don't test raw materials before putting them in products, companies are using "compounds" and herbs never consumed by humans at whatever dose, and BS advertising and BS writeups. get diesel not discussing "scientifically" exactly why each ingredient is used, or any company isn't a downfall its a trade secret. I can see if it was a company changing the names of compounds on sup. facts or using ingredients people cannot google and find all the "science" they want. like I said companies with all the "scientic" blabla write ups, keep doing it, get diesel will do it different. you can google all the "science" you want in any getdiesel product. sht I got a pubmed link and supplementwatch.com link on my getdiesel.com page for that reason.
nunes
Well-known member
speak for yourself bro, I never buy a product without seeing the science behind it, that its my first priority and show me how well a company knows what they are selling.
The problem with the supp industry is exactly what you said "no one gives a **** about science" this is what allows scammers and full of s*** companies rip off millions of consumers giving bad name to the industry.
Science its everything on a legit supp company, the rest its bull****
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Some of which end up dangerous to the user. M1T comes to mind. Most of the companies today just bank on overblown claims, with nothing solid to back them up. (And no I was not referencing anyone, just using a generalality)
Adams
Vitruvian
O.G. Appnut
You make very valid points here. Every product should be produced in a CGMP facility. However to clarify for the reader, in-house does not always mean it is not CGMP.
Regarding the word "Compound". It is the correct "scientific" term for use.
nunes
Well-known member
If we speak on prohormones/steroids the problem its even worse, a lot of companies import their stuff from china and don't even care with the purity of the stuff, they sell cats in a dog`s label, man its unbelievable.
the good news is that with the recent crackdown on china labs I believe that the great majority of stuff coming to US its bunk, fake, so we don't get the gains but we also don't get the sides, lol
Thats why I said it again and again, go with companies that put science in the first place...:thumbsup:
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Always have, and we have an abundance of companies that do, and some of the greatest minds here. Jacob from USP puts out some amazing products (Although not innovative due to being extracts.
), Matt with DS is a strait lab rat, and Par with Avant has changed the industry time and time again. Not to mention some of the newer companies. Applied Nutra comes to mind first and foremost. They have AMAZING research into each of their products, and breaks it down so well. And AX liscenses some of the brightest minds to date. I could go on and on, but you know.
Adams
nunes
Well-known member
Always have, and we have an abundance of companies that do, and some of the greatest minds here. Jacob from USP puts out some amazing products (Although not innovative due to being extracts.
Not to mention some of the newer companies. Applied Nutra comes to mind first and foremost. They have AMAZING research into each of their products, and breaks it down so well. And AX liscenses some of the brightest minds to date. I could go on and on, but you know.
Adams
And don't forget PA and ergopharm, hormones made in USA, ok they are expensive but we know what we are buying...
interrupt
New member
Too me what works is what's important :think:
nunes
Well-known member
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Fabulous One
Active member
I'll take placebo gains just as well as real gains...
whats the difference in placebo +10lbs or a real scientifically proved +10lbs on your press? Nothing.
whats the difference in placebo +10lbs or a real scientifically proved +10lbs on your press? Nothing.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Fabulous One
Active member
thats not the point
can you show me the difference in placebo or scientific gains? Whats the difference in the end? Nothing, you still get your +10lbs.
can you show me the difference in placebo or scientific gains? Whats the difference in the end? Nothing, you still get your +10lbs.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Yeah paying for write ups and products that should work in "theory" versus results is the way to go....
to get back on track I will be posting the link for past axtc loggers to sign up to log DTH.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
And providing a product with no science to back it up is the way to go!
Continue biting others stuff.
Adams
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Your not making any sense (still). If I do a write up or go into detail why every ingredient was used in DTH "scientifically" thats not going to change the end result of using the product. What its only going to do is tell my comp. what to use and why. I dont need "science" to back up DTH, its not something thats in the "design" phase, its out on the market producing results for EVERYONE who uses it. Posting the "science" behind it will serve no beneficial purpose for me. I mean if I lose that 1% of consumers who only purchase products with "scientific" write ups, then thats fine with me.
What you should do is not bash products you havent used or read any reviews on because its ignorant. I never once said Actx wont or shouldnt increase test levels or it was garbage, or questioned why rhodiola was in it since rhodiola doesnt increase testosterone. The product is put together to produce a certain end result. Ok. Scientific write up on it or not, its still the same product.
Your making some dumb a*s comments.
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Anway:
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nunes
Well-known member
the difference its the money you pay...
If for you its OK to be robed , ok bro go ahead but I believe the great majority of intelligent human beings don't like that idea.
By the way Adams sells sugar pills for 50$, but I have a fantastic powder that make you growth like Jay cutler in one week for only 49,99$, if you want you can pay by paypal:djparty:
IT is called "gasoline muscle hardcore extreme", this stuff will change the supp world...
nunes
Well-known member
Seems to me that you don't need it cause you simply don't have it...
I can not believe we are discussing if a supp needs scientific and chemist backup or not, its absurd, seems like we are on the 19th century selling snake oil as a treatment for all evils...
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Ur making ignortant statements like the other "show me the science" guy. You cant tell me I dont have a "reason" for using what I use in my products. You think I just "guess" or throw random raw materials in a formula and just so happen to have one of the best herbal test boosters, creatine/strength product and pre-workout energizers out? Please.
We are not discussing if a supp needs to be formulated based on scientific reasearch on the ingredients, we are discussing why you guys think if its not discussed on a forum or shown in the product write-up that you just assume it doesnt exist, or think that warrents calling the product snake oil when most of the snake oil products out are the ones with the scientific write ups.
nunes
Well-known member
you can refute everything that you want but a product like yours doesn't convince me, you have ingredients that science tests made on them proved they simply DONT WORK.
But I`ll not discuss this point with you any more cause its useless, the only thing you show its your words not proffs of the contrary.
By the way I understand your position , I was not expecting you to say:
yeah bros you`re all wright I buy ingredients that people still think they work cause they have a past reputation then I put them in a nice bottle with an hardcore name and expect that placebo effect does its job...in the end another happy costumer and I get more of is money
So further discussion with you its useless, go ahead do another aggressive post calling us all idiots but my friend you simply don't convince anyone with a minimal IQ and informed in this board...
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
further discussion with you is useless because your coments are un-educated ie ignorant. You can search the name of DIESEL TEST Hardcore and see the product works and works very well so your comments about placebo effects are dumb.
I didnt call anyone an idiot, I said the comments were ignorant. As in uninformed, bad-mannered, unaware, etc.., comments.
I don’t know if you’re an idiot. I don’t really use that word anyway (or the word "bros").