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mixedup said:
If not why did the Executive Director of the NSAC say that what happened was against there rules here is a cut and paste from mma weekly.




The perceptions may vary, but the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission – the sanctioning body that maintains authority over UFC 94 – confirmed to MMAWeekly.com on Monday that there is an issue at hand that is based in fact.
"After the first round ended, the fighters are getting ready for round two. One inspector noticed a (St. Pierre) cornerman, Phil Nurse, putting Vaseline on George's face, then kind of rubbed him down a bit, which would be okay if he was clean," asserted Keith Kizer.

Such an impropriety immediately raised red flags and put him on full alert, especially with this mega-fight occurring just one week after another wave of doctoring controversy had crashed over the Antonio Margarito vs. Shane Mosely boxing match in California. Margarito was suspended and ordered to attend a hearing due to a foreign substance found in his hand wraps on the night of the fight.

"After round two, I watched him like a hawk," said Kizer. "I've only entered the ring maybe three or four times (in my career) during a fight, but I did this time.

Watching the pay-per-view, Nurse is clearly seen on camera applying Vaseline to the face of St. Pierre following round one. It is difficult to tell the amount of residual Vaseline on his hands, but he does clearly rub St. Pierre's shoulders and then reach around to touch his upper back. The extent to which such actions affected the actual in-ring action are unclear, but what is clear is that such action was a violation Nevada's regulations.
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I agree with you that they "said" it was a violation, I agree that a lot of "fans" are "saying" it's a violation, but here are the RULES, STRAIGHT from the Nevada Athletic Commission, a government entity, are you going to dispute those too?

NAC 467.598 Physical appearance of unarmed combatants. (NRS 467.030)

1. Each unarmed combatant must be clean and present a tidy appearance.

2. The excessive use of grease or any other foreign substance may not be used on the face or body of an unarmed combatant. The referees or the Commission’s representative in charge shall cause any excessive grease or foreign substance to be removed.

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Please, show me how he committed anything illegal.

Thank you.
 
Omen said:
I agree with you that they "said" it was a violation, I agree that a lot of "fans" are "saying" it's a violation, but here are the RULES, STRAIGHT from the Nevada Athletic Commission, a government entity, are you going to dispute those too?

NAC 467.598 Physical appearance of unarmed combatants. (NRS 467.030)

1. Each unarmed combatant must be clean and present a tidy appearance.

2. The excessive use of grease or any other foreign substance may not be used on the face or body of an unarmed combatant. The referees or the Commission’s representative in charge shall cause any excessive grease or foreign substance to be removed.
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Please, show me how he committed anything illegal.

Thank you.
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AS you said the NSAC is a goverment entity and my post is what was said by the director of said government Entity.

the commison representative did wipe down the fighter so in their opinon the grease must of been excessive and that is how his corner committed something illegal
 
omg! no matter if he dominate BJ on the feet or on the ground or all over it still doesnt take away the fact that GSP cheated. And now they say it was following round one, well thats a big difference imo because round one was alot different from round two and then the rest of the fight.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Shh, you have exposed the invalidity of GSP's 'gameplan' against BJ Penn: grease your back, and use that grease to destroy him on the feet, totally negate his jab, dominate him in the clinch game, and then take him down and pass guard at will. As you can see, the grease is the key.

:D
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I definitely can't argue that GSP won decisively and would mostly likely win, 8 out of 10 times based on both of their conditions during their fight. My issue is if GSP had foreknowledge and intent. Greasing the back & chest probably did not effect any circumstance in this fight, HOWEVER, it does serve as insurance and a confidence of not fearing BJ on the ground. I realize this is a lot of theoretical jargon on the surface, but a fighter can definitely perform better or worse based on his own confidences or lack thereof (GSP/Serra). This is the first I've ever heard of this greasing thing, and if it were an isolated incident, then its a lot more forgivable, but if this is a re-occurring strategy, then something is shady. Even if this greasing strategy did not effect any of GSP's previous fights, if it were used with intent, whether it was a factor or not, it puts a damper in the integrity of the all Canadian hero.

Grease or no grease, I believe GSP would have won that night, and as mentioned, probably 8 out of 10 times if the same two fighters stepped into the ring, it's intent that makes me raise an eyebrow.

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I never like debating with Mulletsailor, there's always a good chance I'm going to lose. Not arguing who's the better fighter, it's the principle of the act.
 
I am getting a kick of how abased most of you are by these allegations. I don't believe I saw this much uproar when Sherk was accused of using Nandrolone! Anabolic Steroids > Grease.

:rolleyes:
 
very well said volcom. :clap2:

imo he knew about it, the whole crew did but then again that cant be proven, just my intuition/opinion.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I am getting a kick of how abased most of you are by these allegations. I don't believe I saw this much uproar when Sherk was accused of using Nandrolone! Anabolic Steroids > Grease.

:rolleyes:
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oh and you are not stubborn or biased at all :rolleyes:

comparing steroids to grease has nothing to do with it.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
I am getting a kick of how abased most of you are by these allegations. I don't believe I saw this much uproar when Sherk was accused of using Nandrolone! Anabolic Steroids > Grease.

:rolleyes:
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I'm not angered or outraged, I've already dealt with the loss. I probably pre-dealt with the loss because I realized today's GSP is light years beyond the GSP that first fought Penn. Personally, I was hoping for a miracle. I was just interested in this wrench and the potential slim shady'ness.

I think also, steroids doesn't seem to bother the MMA crowd or this generation of sports fans in general (clearly I'm generalizing). I think performance enhancing drugs are gaining an assumed integration to most sports these days, with the exception of Chinese table tennis. Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but from my perspective, steroid use is a general "cheat," while the application of vasoline in strategic places takes the appearance of a specific cheat against a specific strategy, and in this case, especially effective against someone who can work off his back with those oddly flexible legs. I can't defend the obvious difference in class that was displayed between the two fighters that night, it's the shady factor if intent was involved that urks me.

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As an admitted Penn nuthugger (well, maybe not full on, Fedor nuts I hug, maybe just a tight grip on Penn's), I don't think Penn will ever beat GSP UNLESS Penn levels up into a Paladin Final Fantasy II style like GSP did. BJ may have improved, but GSP transformed. Nonetheless, I'm making this face as a result of the Vasoline incident of 2009


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VolcomX311 said:
I'm not angered or outraged, I've already dealt with the loss. I probably pre-dealt with the loss because I realized today's GSP is light years beyond the GSP that first fought Penn. Personally, I was hoping for a miracle. I was just interested in this wrench and the potential slim shady'ness.

I think also, steroids doesn't seem to bother the MMA crowd or this generation of sports fans in general (clearly I'm generalizing). I think performance enhancing drugs are gaining an assumed integration to most sports these days, with the exception of Chinese table tennis. Also, I can't speak for anyone else, but from my perspective, steroid use is a general "cheat," while the application of vasoline in strategic places takes the appearance of a specific cheat against a specific strategy, and in this case, especially effective against someone who can work off his back with those oddly flexible legs. I can't defend the obvious difference in class that was displayed between the two fighters that night, it's the shady factor if intent was involved that urks me.

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:lol:
 
pistonpump said:
oh and you are not stubborn or biased at all :rolleyes:

comparing steroids to grease has nothing to do with it.
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:rolleyes:

That means my comment is witty and decisive; best applied in an extra-witty Pistonpump rebuttal.

At any rate, the comparison is cheating Hilo-Boy. Both are cheating, so of course the comparison is valid.
 
pistonpump said:
that was a entertaining post! lol. i just have one thing to say. If you have ever used vaseline you know that its not easy to get off even if you just wipe it.

ha! finally found a spelling/grammatical error made by the mulletbrain!:rasp:
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LOL! Yeah it is kind of hard to wipe off. I remember when i used it to....umm never mind:slap::09:
 
Ok quick rundown;



mullet made a spelling error and is witty and decisive.

greasing it down isnt illegal

swole210 used nandrolone and its hard to wipe off could cause a rematch

Lots of BJ fanboys and mullets a GSP fanboy.




Did I miss anything? I feel like I am missing something.
 
off topic, I just watched the Fedor/Arlovski fight. I did not see that coming. I mean I EXPECTED a victory, but wow. Hypothermia KO, that's some power. I hope I didn't need to include the word spoiler, because this is an old fight by now.
 
crowpass said:
gsp is a fu**ing canadian, hes a piece of sh*t anyways. , cheating or not.
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yellow belly canadians.... lol jk. (frenchies) :burnout:

Volcom what do you mean hypothermia KO? I saw the slo motion gif but not the after effects. Was he shaking on the ground or what?
 
I dont believe he was having convulsions. He probably meant he was still a little fu*ked up when he came to.
 
I love how the only fights where he supposedly greased were the ones were he beat the absolute **** out of the opponent. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

VolcomX311 said:
it's the shady factor if intent was involved that urks me.
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Right, if it happened, I'd lose all respect for both fighters. That would be pretty devastating considered I liked both of them before the fight (GSP a little more than BJ though).
 
Just came off Sherdog site. Check out BJ s face being left behind by his fast moving skull. Yea....it was the Grease. You Yanks are sore losers. Get a life.
 
crowpass said:
gsp is a fu**ing canadian, hes a piece of sh*t anyways. , cheating or not.
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Of course you're entitled to your opinion....but personally I feel it is you and your childish opinions that are a piece of sh*t. Is there supposed to be something wrong with being a fu@#ing Canadian.....? Get a life.

I am not gonna stoop to your level and neg rep you & then say ooops I made a mistake! You comment speaks for itself....keyboard hero!

P.S. you remind me of someone. Someone who shoots their mouth off & then gets their face rearranged by a CANADIAN! His name is BJ Penn! LOL!
 
luclyluciano said:
Of course you're entitled to your opinion....but personally I feel it is you and your childish opinions that are a piece of sh*t. Is there supposed to be something wrong with being a fu@#ing Canadian.....? Get a life.

I am not gonna stoop to your level and neg rep you & then say ooops I made a mistake! You comment speaks for itself....keyboard hero!

P.S. you remind me of someone. Someone who shoots their mouth off & then gets their face rearranged by a CANADIAN! His name is BJ Penn! LOL!
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Yep thats me Bj penn. and the problem i have with canadians is since the early 1600's you french guys have given us patriots ****, with your fur trapping and good relations with the indians. Nothing but lazy fools. You obviously couldnt beat the indians so you decided to become their friends with trade and communal meetings. And dont even get me started on the War on Terrorism. thats my problem. (im just kidding aout the indian thing though, even though thats what Canada was based upon)
 
crowpass said:
Yep thats me Bj penn. and the problem i have with canadians is since the early 1600's you french guys have given us patriots ****, with your fur trapping and good relations with the indians. Nothing but lazy fools. You obviously couldnt beat the indians so you decided to become their friends with trade and communal meetings. And dont even get me started on the War on Terrorism. thats my problem. (im just kidding aout the indian thing though, even though thats what Canada was based upon)
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hello captain generalization, good to see you here.






uh oh, will I get negged for that?:scared:
 
crowpass said:
Yep thats me Bj penn. and the problem i have with canadians is since the early 1600's you french guys have given us patriots ****, with your fur trapping and good relations with the indians. Nothing but lazy fools. You obviously couldnt beat the indians so you decided to become their friends with trade and communal meetings. And dont even get me started on the War on Terrorism. thats my problem. (im just kidding aout the indian thing though, even though thats what Canada was based upon)
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Jesus Christ you are an idiot, haha. Not necessarily because you dislike Canadians, just because you actually have no clue what you are talking about.

"Dur, dem' dere Canadjins and the damn Injins are in cahootz!"
 
my bad for having american pride. and im not prejudice, just poking fun at canadians. and to make it fair, we are murderes and savages. . that alright?
 
crowpass said:
go to college history, youll find out. That speculation is fact my friend.
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No, it is not, and I contend you are a moron. The period of Francophone-Aborigine positive relations lasted less than 100 years, and was only particularly propagated in areas bordering the St.Lawerence; the Huron tribes, in particular, maintained beneficial relationships with the Francophones, and the 'voyageurs', who they had the most dealings with in particular. However, the relationship was necessarily appropriative: the reciprocal fur trade only lasted as long as the French, English, and to some degree Dutch, were naive to the landscape and skill of fur trade. After a generation, indivdiuals such as the 'runners of the woods' and/or 'voyageurs' had learnt the native language, customs, and primary fur-trapping routes and techniques. At that point, the relationship turned from one of repricocity to expropriation.

So, no, you have no ****ing clue what you are saying.
 
Read the unfinished nation by allen brinkley, What you had stated has some fact but from the the book the fur trade lasted more than one hundered years.
 
crowpass said:
Read the unfinished nation by allen brinkley, What you had stated has some fact but from the the book the fur trade lasted more than one hundered years.
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Read.

The period of Francophone-Aborigine positive relations lasted less than 100 years, and was only particularly propagated in areas bordering the St.Lawerence
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After a generation, indivdiuals such as the 'runners of the woods' and/or 'voyageurs' had learnt the native language, customs, and primary fur-trapping routes and techniques. At that point, the relationship turned from one of repricocity to expropriation
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Jesus.
 
Nice to see you re-enforce the notion that most people from TX are idiots. Seriously, where are these trolls coming from? Anyone else remember when there was intelligent conversation on this board instead of slanderous ignorance??
 
Rodja said:
Nice to see you re-enforce the notion that most people from TX are idiots. Seriously, where are these trolls coming from? Anyone else remember when there was intelligent conversation on this board instead of slanderous ignorance??
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I remember. That was about 2 yrs ago right?
 
I hear that. Thank god M&M is still good though. They wouldn't let all the bullshit fly over there.
 
We texans may be ignorant, but we sure as hell are the only state that can sustain itself as an independant nation.
 
crowpass said:
We texans may be ignorant, but we sure as hell are the only state that can sustain itself as an independant nation.
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Please, just stop posting. You are only making yourself sound less and less intelligent with each of your rumblings. You can label yourself as ignorant, but I sure as hell will not attach that upon myself.
 
crowpass said:
You mean ramblings.
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Ugh again...

rumbling
Function: noun
Date: 14th century

1 : rumble
2 : general but unofficial talk or opinion often of dissatisfaction —usually used in plural <rumblings of political trouble — Anthony Burgess>
 
1 a: to move aimlessly from place to place b: to explore idly
2: to talk or write in a desultory or long-winded wandering fashion
3: to grow or extend irregularly
transitive verb



gotta love that copy and paste.
 
crowpass said:
1 a: to move aimlessly from place to place b: to explore idly
2: to talk or write in a desultory or long-winded wandering fashion
3: to grow or extend irregularly
transitive verb



gotta love that copy and paste.
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It is not a transitive verb if it is within a prepositional phrase.
 
joeymutz said:
Is there a reason on why you are trying to intentionally piss people off?
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wow. you came outta let field. Im not trying to do that at all. Why would you let yourself get pissed off. I stated my opinion and someone chimed in with theirs.
 
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