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About to run my first cycle of HDrol.

NewYorkGiants said:
Yes I posted to get critiqued. And I'm taking all the advice. But the smart ass comments are just annoying, I figured people were a little more mature on this site but I guess the Internet is all the same.
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Lol...these guys were nice compared to what some of the vets on these boards would have told you... Ppl are just sick of answering the same retarded questions when no one listens...
 
Drizzie88 said:
Lol...these guys were nice compared to what some of the vets on these boards would have told you... Ppl are just sick of answering the same retarded questions when no one listens...
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What retarded things did I ask or say? I made the assumption that an AI wasn't needed because of some of the things I read from vets. I was always going to run Nolva, I just didn't (and still don't) know where I can get tabs. I just considered doing some more Clomid research, but then realize that I already made up my mind, mostly based on the fact that most people use Nolva with Hdrol. Dosing is something that I was never 100% sure of, still gotta figure that out before starting obviously. Another thing was that I read a post by an owner of a reputable supplement company talking about how preloading cycle assist is not necessary.

You gotta remember that every person is going to tell you something different. Which is why I posted this. Some of the things I said might sound retarded to you, but it doesn't sound very retarded to me, considering it was info given to me by others.
 
NewYorkGiants said:
What retarded things did I ask or say? I made the assumption that an AI wasn't needed because of some of the things I read from vets. I was always going to run Nolva, I just didn't (and still don't) know where I can get tabs. I just considered doing some more Clomid research, but then realize that I already made up my mind, mostly based on the fact that most people use Nolva with Hdrol. Dosing is something that I was never 100% sure of, still gotta figure that out before starting obviously. Another thing was that I read a post by an owner of a reputable supplement company talking about how preloading cycle assist is not necessary.

You gotta remember that every person is going to tell you something different. Which is why I posted this. Some of the things I said might sound retarded to you, but it doesn't sound very retarded to me, considering it was info given to me by others.
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I didn't really say you said anything retarded but TBH it's quoted on nearly every H-Drol cycle that you need an AI to combat Estrogen while you need a SERM to bind and prevent gyno... Trust me, I've been told numerous things by different people that contradicts itself but I can promise you that if Live, Gerbil, Manbeast, Trauma, AIrborne, etc say something...it's normally backed up by experience or research... I'm no expert I'm still here to learn... There is no reason to chastise these guys for trying to help you.
 
Drizzie88 said:
I didn't really say you said anything retarded but TBH it's quoted on nearly every H-Drol cycle that you need an AI to combat Estrogen while you need a SERM to bind and prevent gyno... Trust me, I've been told numerous things by different people that contradicts itself but I can promise you that if Live, Gerbil, Manbeast, Trauma, AIrborne, etc say something...it's normally backed up by experience or research... I'm no expert I'm still here to learn... There is no reason to chastise these guys for trying to help you.
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Oh absolutely, I never argued with them. They know best. If it wasn't for them, I probably wouldn't have bought an AI. I am thankful for EVERYONE'S help. But enough with the drama and arguing. Back to business. Here are the questions that I have now.

Should I run HDROL at 25/50/75/75/75/75?

Can I preload cycle assist for just a week? Regardless, I think I'll have to get a second bottle despite how long of a preload.

Can I run Nolva at 20/15/10/5? (tapering off)

Is my PCT complete with Nolva, PCT Assist, DAA, and Erase?
 
NewYorkGiants said:
Oh absolutely, I never argued with them. They know best. If it wasn't for them, I probably wouldn't have bought an AI. I am thankful for EVERYONE'S help. But enough with the drama and arguing. Back to business. Here are the questions that I have now.

Should I run HDROL at 25/50/75/75/75/75?

Can I preload cycle assist for just a week? Regardless, I think I'll have to get a second bottle despite how long of a preload.

Can I run Nolva at 20/15/10/5? (tapering off)

Is my PCT complete with Nolva, PCT Assist, DAA, and Erase?
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Your week of 25 is a waste... Start at 50 and go from there if you don't exeperience sides (which is most likely). I've seen a lot of cycles where guys have felt froggy and bumped it to 100 for a week or even 125 for the last week but 125 seems like too much and the guys who did that said they saw no positive difference in the week but started experiencing sides at that doseage.

I've talked to a lot of guys and everyone is different on their opinion of tapering. It seems like the sensible to way to run anything would be to taper off... I know I am going to.

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Pretty good info on Nolva for you...

As for PCT... It seems near perfect.

I would look into the way to dose Erase on hella... I know all the research I've done for Havoc recommends you run it like this 0/0/... or 0/.... for the first week because Estrogen rebound isn't as likely the first week but later in the PCT. The Nolva should combat the estrogen sides the first week since you are bumping up the doseage in the first week anyways.

As for your preload question, I hope so because I preloaded my organ shield for a week and then started my cycle today... but I loaded milk thistle and saw palmetto for 2 weeks before that....You could always look into getting some Milk Thistle and Saw Palmetto from the grocery store or vitamin shop and run it for a week prior to help out the liver and such?... Just a cheap suggestion.

Someone else will probably piggy back this.
 
Drizzie88 said:
Your week of 25 is a waste... Start at 50 and go from there if you don't exeperience sides (which is most likely). I've seen a lot of cycles where guys have felt froggy and bumped it to 100 for a week or even 125 for the last week but 125 seems like too much and the guys who did that said they saw no positive difference in the week but started experiencing sides at that doseage.

I've talked to a lot of guys and everyone is different on their opinion of tapering. It seems like the sensible to way to run anything would be to taper off... I know I am going to.

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Pretty good info on Nolva for you...

As for PCT... It seems near perfect.

I would look into the way to dose Erase on hella... I know all the research I've done for Havoc recommends you run it like this 0/0/... or 0/.... for the first week because Estrogen rebound isn't as likely the first week but later in the PCT. The Nolva should combat the estrogen sides the first week since you are bumping up the doseage in the first week anyways.

As for your preload question, I hope so because I preloaded my organ shield for a week and then started my cycle today... but I loaded milk thistle and saw palmetto for 2 weeks before that....You could always look into getting some Milk Thistle and Saw Palmetto from the grocery store or vitamin shop and run it for a week prior to help out the liver and such?... Just a cheap suggestion.

Someone else will probably piggy back this.
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Drizzy sorry but I'd have to disagree.
 
The op is taking Hdrol not helladrol, hella is under dosed hence why people take 100-125 mg..... Read fully and study up people!!!!!!
 
LiveToLift said:
Drizzy sorry but I'd have to disagree.
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On which part? My fault I didn't notice the HDrol..used to ppl running Hella...fml.

Church me up...I don't want to give ppl bad advice.
 
Drizzie88 said:
On which part? My fault I didn't notice the HDrol..used to ppl running Hella...fml.

Church me up...I don't want to give ppl bad advice.
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No prob man! 125 of Hdrol is suicide IMO. I never went over 75 and put on 15 lbs by week 4...
 
LiveToLift said:
No prob man! 125 of Hdrol is suicide IMO. I never went over 75 and put on 15 lbs by week 4...
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It's so common these days that guys run Hella bc HDrol is more expensive and harder to find... I jumped to conclusions...

Sorry NY, didn't mean to almost kill you with bad advice... The rest should be good though...

Oops.
 
Drizzie88 said:
It's so common these days that guys run Hella bc HDrol is more expensive and harder to find... I jumped to conclusions...

Sorry NY, didn't mean to almost kill you with bad advice... The rest should be good though...

Oops.
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I love cel products I payed 40/bottle for my next run(Hdrol) and wish I would have got more as two days after it went to 50.... :-( oh well time for the dark side anyway....
 
LiveToLift said:
I love cel products I payed 40/bottle for my next run(Hdrol) and wish I would have got more as two days after it went to 50.... :-( oh well time for the dark side anyway....
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Like to know where you found it at those Prices! My inbox is empty hint hint !
 
I tend to agree on the milk t and saw palmetto. Grab some nac and your covered longer than the cel assist and im pretty sure its cheaper. Probably dont even need the nac though, hdrol isnt too bad, BUT better safe than sorry.

Tapering to 5mg on nolva.. i may be wrong but it seems wasteful, 20/10/10/10 seems to be the standard. If anyone would like to step in on that, please do, always up for new info.
 
LiveToLift said:
The op is taking Hdrol not helladrol, hella is under dosed hence why people take 100-125 mg..... Read fully and study up people!!!!!!
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H-Drol = 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol 25mg
Helladrol = 4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3,17-diol - 25mg

@LiveToLift Can you explain? I've never heard this before.. Looked up H-Drol and Helladrol and they appear to be the exact same. Are you saying Helladrol skimps on the amount in their caps? Like each cap isn't really 25mg?
 
He means that actual potency. 25mg=25mg. Its how they are made one is just stronger. Just like testosterone one pharmacy makes stuff that is 250mg/ml the next guys is same dose but less potency. Doesn't mean its "bad" per say just underdosed. Maybe it has to do with how they manufacture it or how they bond the chemical compounds not exactly sure what the two companies do different.
 
jpg0923 said:
H-Drol = 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androsta-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol 25mg
Helladrol = 4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3,17-diol - 25mg

@LiveToLift Can you explain? I've never heard this before.. Looked up H-Drol and Helladrol and they appear to be the exact same. Are you saying Helladrol skimps on the amount in their caps? Like each cap isn't really 25mg?
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I was pretty sure I clearly said hella was under dosed, same compound but you would not see anyone running 125 Hdrol where it's common with hella.
 
I beg to differ on the "purity". Don't get me wrong, I love CEL, but 100mg with both products yielded the same results for me. Hella is just a better buy per cap...

And about running both forma and erase, I say no. Unless you have gunpowder issues, your joints will dry out like its no body's business and gains will also be hindered. Remember, estrogen is good in moderation...
 
So what are the opinions on dosing at 25mg? Maybe for the first few days?

And I would love to find that supplement company owner who said that preloading wasn't necessary because I think that would be a great argument for you vets haha.
 
NewYorkGiants said:
So what are the opinions on dosing at 25mg? Maybe for the first few days?

And I would love to find that supplement company owner who said that preloading wasn't necessary because I think that would be a great argument for you vets haha.
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Don't dose at 25mg at all, it's a waste of caps and your time. Start at 75mg. And preloading isn't necessary unless you have pre existing issues such as high BP, which is why a lot of lifters preload with Hawthorn Berry.
 
NewYorkGiants said:
So what are the opinions on dosing at 25mg? Maybe for the first few days?

And I would love to find that supplement company owner who said that preloading wasn't necessary because I think that would be a great argument for you vets haha.
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most supp companies will tell people what they need to hear to make a quick sale. they dont care if you mess your self up in the process. they put the minimum warnings on the labels for liability issues and that's about it.
 
superbeast668 said:
most supp companies will tell people what they need to hear to make a quick sale. they dont care if you mess your self up in the process. they put the minimum warnings on the labels for liability issues and that's about it.
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That's my point... He was telling people NOT to waste their money.

And to the above, 75 is too much to start for my first cycle lol. And yea that's what I heard (pre existing history) so I might just not preload. I mean my dad has high BP but he's an old man.

Another question. Should I bump my orange triad from 3 pills a day to 6? My joints are already bothering me and I haven't even started. Not good.
 
NewYorkGiants said:
That's my point... He was telling people NOT to waste their money.

And to the above, 75 is too much to start for my first cycle lol. And yea that's what I heard (pre existing history) so I might just not preload. I mean my dad has high BP but he's an old man.

Another question. Should I bump my orange triad from 3 pills a day to 6? My joints are already bothering me and I haven't even started. Not good.
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ive never noticed joint issues on hdrol, up it if it helps i suppose. not familiar with orange triad. is it basically glucosamine, chondriotin and msm or something totally different?
 
BigRed904 said:
Don't dose at 25mg at all, it's a waste of caps and your time. Start at 75mg. And preloading isn't necessary unless you have pre existing issues such as high BP, which is why a lot of lifters preload with Hawthorn Berry.
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OP this guy is crazy, chose to do whatever you want but personally the less toxic product you have to put down your throat the better IMO. You are 21 years old and have never ran a ph before... Starting at 75 is not only reckless but it's pointless. You will cash out your gains early and will not be able to run the product and see any effects from it again because your body would need such a high dose! Also not preloading is just stupid, cycle assist is so cheap not preloading is just ridiculous. It sounds like this bigred works as a liver surgeon because he just gives wreckless advice. You are taking Hdrol not helladrol these guys must not have experience with the superior cel product...
 
LiveToLift said:
OP this guy is crazy, chose to do whatever you want but personally the less toxic product you have to put down your throat the better IMO. You are 21 years old and have never ran a ph before... Starting at 75 is not only reckless but it's pointless. You will cash out your gains early and will not be able to run the product and see any effects from it again because your body would need such a high dose! Also not preloading is just stupid, cycle assist is so cheap not preloading is just ridiculous. It sounds like this bigred works as a liver surgeon because he just gives wreckless advice. You are taking Hdrol not helladrol these guys must not have experience with the superior cel product...
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Couldnt have said it better
 
LiveToLift said:
OP this guy is crazy, chose to do whatever you want but personally the less toxic product you have to put down your throat the better IMO. You are 21 years old and have never ran a ph before... Starting at 75 is not only reckless but it's pointless. You will cash out your gains early and will not be able to run the product and see any effects from it again because your body would need such a high dose! Also not preloading is just stupid, cycle assist is so cheap not preloading is just ridiculous. It sounds like this bigred works as a liver surgeon because he just gives wreckless advice. You are taking Hdrol not helladrol these guys must not have experience with the superior cel product...
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I know, I said 75 was too high... So then go ahead and answer my questions because I already know you're one of the most knowledgable. And I said from the beginning that I know I'm not 'ready' but I just want to get a head start and get to a good size so I can work my way up naturally from there.
 
Why does he need cycle assist, just preload with bulk nac and hawthorn berry...

Do what you feel comfortable with bro. Sometimes its best to just do the research without asking questions. There's so much info on this and other forums, that questions shouldn't need to always be asked. What's good for others wont necessarily work for you. Trial and error can lead to finding out what's truly best for YOU.
 
LiveToLift said:
not sure what else you are looking for bud? I've given you a lot of info and tried to help you get everything lined out how it should be ran. What did I miss?
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Let me just re-write my plan so it will be easier for you to critique further.

Preload (1 week):
NOW Hawthorne Berry 2 caps per day (800mg hawthorn)

Cycle (6 weeks):
Hdrol 50/75/75/75/75/75
Cycle Assist 4 caps 2x a day

PCT (4 weeks):
Nolva 20/20/10/10
PES Erase 0/0/3/3?
PCT Assist 2 caps 2x a day
DAA 3g per day

You guys sure Erase isn't too potent for me? How important is dosing? I should dose my cycle assist hours apart from hdrol right? I know I'm forgetting other stuff too but oh well.
 
I would keep to 50 mg til third week and order some taurine in case you get back pumps. Also run the Hawthorne through first two weeks of pct.
 
LiveToLift said:
I would keep to 50 mg til third week and order some taurine in case you get back pumps. Also run the Hawthorne through first two weeks of pct.
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Ok will do. The rest is fine?

Does anyone know if my acne medication Solodyn will interfere?
 
LiveToLift said:
not sure what else you are looking for bud? I've given you a lot of info and tried to help you get everything lined out how it should be ran. What did I miss?
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You missed multi vitamins... ;-) abort this mission bother. Let him run it how he wants
 
This looks like a typical H-Drol cycle, not sure why you needed 82 replies and 1,022 page views to come up with that master plan haha
 
jpg0923 said:
Forgot creatine too
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Got that too, just didn't put it in my last post.

And if you really must know why I need all the advice I can get... Let's just say maybe I'm not the age I said I was, and I'm trying to make children in the future and still have a liver.
 
DangerDave said:
You missed multi vitamins... ;-) abort this mission bother. Let him run it how he wants
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Yea I wasn't going to include staples... Creatine, fish oil, multi vs etc...
 
dude if you are under 21, 5 foot 6 and 160lbs. you could probably gain more by eating and lifting with proper form. hdrol isnt going to help you at that young. ur natural test levels are so high that you make massive gains by eating and proper form. do what you want but i guaranty you will get nothing but wasted money out of this cycle....neg for lying.
 
NewYorkGiants said:
Got that too, just didn't put it in my last post.

And if you really must know why I need all the advice I can get... Let's just say maybe I'm not the age I said I was, and I'm trying to make children in the future and still have a liver.
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Not again!!!!!!
 
csa2179 said:
dude if you are under 21, 5 foot 6 and 160lbs. you could probably gain more by eating and lifting with proper form. hdrol isnt going to help you at that young. ur natural test levels are so high that you make massive gains by eating and proper form. do what you want but i guaranty you will get nothing but wasted money out of this cycle....neg for lying.
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Already ran all that by the gentlemen... Hence why I gave up and would rather the kid do it right...
 
LiveToLift said:
Already ran all that by the gentlemen... Hence why I gave up and would rather the kid do it right...
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Maybe I missed it or it's the fact I'm exhausted as hell from studying for finals but did you already tell him to pre-load the CEL Cycle Assist?

I was always under the impression to pre-load the HB and Cycle Assist 1-2 weeks prior to the start of the cycle...?

Good luck OP. I personally wouldn't run it knowing that you aren't 21 as you have admitted..

I was at like ~170lbs entering into freshman year, and now (jr year) I'm at a leanish 205. I was all the way up at 225 in Feb(end of my bulk).

I understand you might be frustrated, and want the gains to come quicker but this a sport where patience determines who "wins" and who "loses". You may start to win as you throw on 15lbs, keeping 8-12 in the end but long term you do end up losing. Especially if you're under 21, you take a big chance of throwing your endocrine system out of balance and that will not be worth it in the long run. Significantly lowering your test levels for the rest of your life is not something I'd risk.

So yeah, best of luck. It took me three years to get where I am, but after all I've learned during these three years I wouldn't go back and change anything. I would suggest thinking long and hard about what you're about to do. Perhaps tell yourself to use them down the road but for the next 2-3 years at least you'll focus on training hard, eating right and understanding your body better. That's my honest advice, after a first year of major failure with gains, bulking, cutting etc. I can honestly say I understand my body, what food helps promotes the best growth for me, what exercise plans work best for me, etc. It's a hefty commitment to acknowledge you may fail hard for the first little bit but after you start to make progress you'll be happy you waited.

Lastly, you're probably still going to do it, but at least make sure to do it right. These guys know what they're talking about so take the advice to heart..

-Day
 
Daycrawler said:
Maybe I missed it or it's the fact I'm exhausted as hell from studying for finals but did you already tell him to pre-load the CEL Cycle Assist?

I was always under the impression to pre-load the HB and Cycle Assist 1-2 weeks prior to the start of the cycle...?

Good luck OP. I personally wouldn't run it knowing that you aren't 21 as you have admitted..

I was at like ~170lbs entering into freshman year, and now (jr year) I'm at a leanish 205. I was all the way up at 225 in Feb(end of my bulk).

I understand you might be frustrated, and want the gains to come quicker but this a sport where patience determines who "wins" and who "loses". You may start to win as you throw on 15lbs, keeping 8-12 in the end but long term you do end up losing. Especially if you're under 21, you take a big chance of throwing your endocrine system out of balance and that will not be worth it in the long run. Significantly lowering your test levels for the rest of your life is not something I'd risk.

So yeah, best of luck. It took me three years to get where I am, but after all I've learned during these three years I wouldn't go back and change anything. I would suggest thinking long and hard about what you're about to do. Perhaps tell yourself to use them down the road but for the next 2-3 years at least you'll focus on training hard, eating right and understanding your body better. That's my honest advice, after a first year of major failure with gains, bulking, cutting etc. I can honestly say I understand my body, what food helps promotes the best growth for me, what exercise plans work best for me, etc. It's a hefty commitment to acknowledge you may fail hard for the first little bit but after you start to make progress you'll be happy you waited.

Lastly, you're probably still going to do it, but at least make sure to do it right. These guys know what they're talking about so take the advice to heart..

-Day
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I've suggested preloading twice now :-)
 
I'm going to order another bottle of Cycle Assist because one isn't enough for six weeks anyway. Therefore I will preload for a week. I started today.
 
I would recommend running the daa 6-8 weeks post cycle to see the best results.
 
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