abortion vs car manslaughter

cable626 said:
Personally, I think everybody should be sterilized, and then once you pass a test about caring for a baby, take a blood test, and show that you have a decent amount of income to support him/her, then you are made fertile, and are free to have a baby. It's Darwinism!
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Makes a lot of sense to me, we need licenses for driving, why not kids since they require a high degree of responsability :goodpost:
 
Alexander said:
I disagree with you saying "if your responsible and got unlucky you're entitled to an abortion". You know damn well that birth control pills and condoms are not full proof. Damn man you're almost as bad as the hooker. Just kidding, but if the situation actually came up I bet you'd have the kid.
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Of course they're not fool proof, but, as humans, we want / need sex. And, birth control is the best thing we can do to avoid having children. And don't give me this abstenance crap, what if you're married?

If you've responsibly planned against having children, because you made a decision you didn't want them (at least at this time), I believe you're entitled to having an abortion if you become one of the unlucky statistcs who does have birth control fail.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
at least we agree on one thing


kwyck....
its like you have a gun with a safety that works MOST of time time. And you have enough balls to twirl it around your finger in a crowd. You better take responsibilty if it fires.
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No, that's not a proper analogy.

Comparing having sex with your wife to twirling a loaded gun in a crowd is not gonna cut it.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Of course they're not fool proof, but, as humans, we want / need sex.
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Catholic leadership pulls it off. (but when the dont it's on the news,,, jk)
kwyckemynd00 said:
And, birth control is the best thing we can do to avoid having children. And don't give me this abstenance crap, what if you're married?
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use the backdoor ;) :blink:
kwyckemynd00 said:
If you've responsibly planned against having children, because you made a decision you didn't want them (at least at this time), I believe you're entitled to having an abortion if you become one of the unlucky statistcs who does have birth control fail.
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Why are you entitled?
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
No, that's not a proper analogy.

Comparing having sex with your wife to twirling a loaded gun in a crowd is not gonna cut it.
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I dont see how it could not be a good analogy.

(the gun has a safety that works almost all the time by the way. you put the safety on but there is still a chance the gun could fire).....perfect analogy
 
One can be considered a necessary action (for mental health, ask any therapist that) and the other is completely unecessary and not very responsible to do.

Apples and oranges.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Why are you entitled?
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That was, entitled under "my theoretical law". It was clearly stated as my opinion :D

Things like entitled, right, wrong, etc are impossible to define universally.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
One can be considered a necessary action (for mental health, ask any therapist that) .
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you have a right hand dont you.....


alright, im through being disgusting


I absolutely do not believe in forcing others to do things my way (or the right way if my views are off). Just do what you think is right and i will do what i think is right. Then until our paths of freedom cross there is no reason for debate.
 
So, if two married people decide they don't want children in this day and age, they have to masturbate forever?

:lol:

And, there is nothing wrong with being disgusting, I enjoy it...in fact, be disgusting more often, I'd like your posts more :rofl:

Now, that being said, the jest of this thread, and the reason Spatch started it, i agree with. The double standard needs to be addressed.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
So, if two married people decide they don't want children in this day and age, they have to masturbate forever?
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i was joking....
i think rather than kill a child you should give it up for adoption.... but then again adoption is still not taking responsibility for your actions. But i absolutely think that rape victims should give birth to the child and then give it up for adoption if they choose. I expect no more out of them....nor do i expect less
kwyckemynd00 said:
Now, that being said, the jest of this thread, and the reason Spatch started it, i agree with. The double standard needs to be addressed.
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yep
 
I like the adoption option, as well, its just that there aren't enough adoptors to go around. Hell, especially with all of the poor homeless and famililess kids around the world in the poorer areas. I think it would be a good idea to take in some of them.

My uncle and aunt (not by many years) are adopting a little girl from China...girls for adoption in china are probably a dime a dozen, and most don't have anywhere to go.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Comparing having sex with your wife to twirling a loaded gun in a crowd is not gonna cut it.
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My man we live in 2006, a lot of the sex in this world isnt between married couples. People who are married and having an abortion is different, almost as wrong, but different, then some girl who flaunts it not wanting to be responsible.
 
Doesn't matter, the comparison I drew was between married couples (and/or lifelong, devoted couples).

Just because "people do it" doesn't mean you can try to nullify my statement by changing it.

And after that last post of yours it seems a bit more like a moralreligious debate to me.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
i was joking....
i think rather than kill a child you should give it up for adoption.... but then again adoption is still not taking responsibility for your actions. But i absolutely think that rape victims should give birth to the child and then give it up for adoption if they choose. I expect no more out of them....nor do i expect less

yep
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I disagree. Why should a rape victim be forced to carry an unwanted child for nine months to appease your religous beliefs?
 
This question always opens up the room to debate on other issues, like, "If a woman can choose to have a baby, why can't the reluctant father choose not to pay child support?"

The abortion is obviously one of a moral nature, and morals are unnecessary. Common sense works better. Morals tell you: "Don't do this, it's wrong because morality says so." Common sense tells you: "It'd be a good idea not to do this, and here's the logical reasons why."

Abortion is LEGAL. I won't argue the rights and wrongs of the legal system because most people here would probably disagree with certain legal issues involving the board's primary subject matter. However, it is through the understanding of what living under an intrusive government is that one can gain a better perspective on this subject. More government is not better government. More restrictions don't make a free society better. With this attitude, the legality of abortion is not so questionable and neither is it wholly contradictory to the "mother/child" manslaughter law. It is an issue of choice, legally. A forced abortion is terminating something that was wanted and would eventually be born. Therefore it is more of a property rights issue. A woman who seeks an abortion has the legal right to give up that property and thus the pregnancy termination is not murder. The laws regarding abortion are designed to be relatively impersonal because the question of, "When does life begin," is an endless debate. Sperm are certainly alive and contain one half of a human being, yet as a man your own body wastes thousands of them daily. An egg is similarly alive and is present throughout a woman's life, so anytime that a woman has a period, is that manslaughter? What makes a conception so different than the two halves of the equation? Your issues are clearly moral here, and morals (along with some medical concerns for the mother) are the reason why late term abortions are generally not allowed. It just appears to be a bad practice. The point of the dual manslaughter charges can be argued, but the issue would be better suited as a property rights issue, say, from the defendant who is on trial for manslaughter than one of moral standing. Otherwise it becomes clear that there are ulterior motives for questioning the practice.
 
Brooklyn said:
This question always opens up the room to debate on other issues, like, "If a woman can choose to have a baby, why can't the reluctant father choose not to pay child support?"

The abortion is obviously one of a moral nature, and morals are unnecessary. Common sense works better. Morals tell you: "Don't do this, it's wrong because morality says so." Common sense tells you: "It'd be a good idea not to do this, and here's the logical reasons why."

Abortion is LEGAL. I won't argue the rights and wrongs of the legal system because most people here would probably disagree with certain legal issues involving the board's primary subject matter. However, it is through the understanding of what living under an intrusive government is that one can gain a better perspective on this subject. More government is not better government. More restrictions don't make a free society better. With this attitude, the legality of abortion is not so questionable and neither is it wholly contradictory to the "mother/child" manslaughter law. It is an issue of choice, legally. A forced abortion is terminating something that was wanted and would eventually be born. Therefore it is more of a property rights issue. A woman who seeks an abortion has the legal right to give up that property and thus the pregnancy termination is not murder. The laws regarding abortion are designed to be relatively impersonal because the question of, "When does life begin," is an endless debate. Sperm are certainly alive and contain one half of a human being, yet as a man your own body wastes thousands of them daily. An egg is similarly alive and is present throughout a woman's life, so anytime that a woman has a period, is that manslaughter? What makes a conception so different than the two halves of the equation? Your issues are clearly moral here, and morals (along with some medical concerns for the mother) are the reason why late term abortions are generally not allowed. It just appears to be a bad practice. The point of the dual manslaughter charges can be argued, but the issue would be better suited as a property rights issue, say, from the defendant who is on trial for manslaughter than one of moral standing. Otherwise it becomes clear that there are ulterior motives for questioning the practice.
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Very good post!
 
delta314 said:
I disagree. Why should a rape victim be forced to carry an unwanted child for nine months to appease your religous beliefs?
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Its not to appease my religious beliefs. Its because the mother is not the only party involved.

There is a definite double standard in the law right now and I am almost certain that this mans case will go to the Supreme Court.
 
Someone neg rep'd me on my post #8. ....fuckers

they said "Scabie Monger"
wtf

Just because I have common sense and can look at the law without emotions and morals attached to it doesn't mean you need to neg rep me. Should the man be charged with two counts of murder because you "feel" it is the right thing to do? Or should we rise above your childish thinking and look at the law the way it is written.


At least have the fucking balls to leave your damn internet name when you neg rep me. Im not going to neg rep you back unless you rep'd me for no reason or if you where being offensive to me or others. (or you knowingly gave incorrect advice about supps or something)
you kids make me sick
use the damn rep system for its real purpose. If you dont like my post then expain why in the thread. Neg repping me just shows that you aren't smart enough to hold your own in a debate with me......so you take the cheap way out.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Someone neg rep'd me on my post #8. ....fuckers

they said "Scabie Monger"
wtf

Just because I have common sense and can look at the law without emotions and morals attached to it doesn't mean you need to neg rep me. Should the man be charged with two counts of murder because you "feel" it is the right thing to do? Or should we rise above your childish thinking and look at the law the way it is written.


At least have the fucking balls to leave your damn internet name when you neg rep me. Im not going to neg rep you back unless you rep'd me for no reason or if you where being offensive to me or others. (or you knowingly gave incorrect advice about supps or something)
you kids make me sick
use the damn rep system for its real purpose. If you dont like my post then expain why in the thread. Neg repping me just shows that you aren't smart enough to hold your own in a debate with me......so you take the cheap way out.
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It was me Whiskey, I do not like your point of view. I'm just kidding, I would never take the time to neg rep somebody. Why do you care though? Like you said the person is just taking the cheap way out. Basically if you disagree with someone that is a moron there is a decent chance of them neg repping you. It's funny to me.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
...i absolutely think that rape victims should give birth to the child and then give it up for adoption if they choose. I expect no more out of them....nor do i expect less..
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I missed this part.

Asking a rape victim to bear the seed of her attacker and violator is expecting much more of her than asking a woman with a man she is intimately involved with.

I think a rape victim who wants to bear the child of her attacker would have to be looney.
 
I for one would not neg rep anyone.
A rape victim should not be expected to carry the child. She is already suffered enough emotional and physical abuse. Unless you are a woman who has been in this situation, it isn't even something you have a right to expect. If it was your wife or daughter, I'm sure you'd reconsider your expectations.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I missed this part.

Asking a rape victim to bear the seed of her attacker and violator is expecting much more of her than asking a woman with a man she is intimately involved with.

I think a rape victim who wants to bear the child of her attacker would have to be looney.
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Absolutely. The way Whiskey looks at it 9 months of suffering is no big deal compared to killing the baby. He thinks its as simple as going the 9 months and then having the kid adopted. We could argue forever on this one and get nowhere!
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Someone neg rep'd me on my post #8. ....fuckers

they said "Scabie Monger"
wtf

Just because I have common sense and can look at the law without emotions and morals attached to it doesn't mean you need to neg rep me. Should the man be charged with two counts of murder because you "feel" it is the right thing to do? Or should we rise above your childish thinking and look at the law the way it is written.


At least have the fucking balls to leave your damn internet name when you neg rep me. Im not going to neg rep you back unless you rep'd me for no reason or if you where being offensive to me or others. (or you knowingly gave incorrect advice about supps or something)
you kids make me sick
use the damn rep system for its real purpose. If you dont like my post then expain why in the thread. Neg repping me just shows that you aren't smart enough to hold your own in a debate with me......so you take the cheap way out.
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Name should accompany the rep. At least that is how it looks in my CP. Nonetheless, opinions shouldn't be rep'd. That is a bit inappropriate, we're all intitled to them.

By the way scabies are little bugs that are typically found on people that have very little concern for hygiene.

+ rep for you even though I don't agree with your reasoning.
 
Alexander said:
We could argue forever on this one and get nowhere!
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yep...

but can we all come to an agreement that there is a double standard in the law?.....if anyone objects to this i would like to hear why.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
Someone neg rep'd me on my post #8. ....fuckers

they said "Scabie Monger"
wtf
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:icon_lol: don`t take it personally it`s thier **** not yours.


How many that are against abortion are for the death penalty?


Me personally I wouldn`t want to have any baby I helped create aborted. Never did. Never will. Although a visectomony and a happy marriage will keep that from happening. But who am I to tell someone else how to live thier life.
We all have to answer for ourselves.
 
EEmain said:
Jesus said, "Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all. [And after they have reigned they will rest.]"
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This is off topic but where is that quote found EEmain?
I find it fascinating. (it a lot of personal meaning to me)
 
It`s from a set of heretical texts that where saved from being burned as the Bishop of Alexandria ordered around 240CE.
 
EEmain said:
It`s from a set of heretical texts that where saved from being burned as the Bishop of Alexandria ordered around 240CE.
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Do you know the name of the texts by chance? Where did you here/see this? Are they available to read on a web site?
 
Here this ought to keep your post count down for a day or two:rofl: :jaw:


Invalid Link Removed Just a Library no agenda.
 
thanks brotha....where in that site did you find it.

And I have been quite the post whore for a while actually.
I just got a steady job (besides my window washing) so you probably wont see as much of me......but i'll always be in your hearts. :D
 
Flippin' Thread Terrorists, a anon neg rep bomb or two thrown into a crowd, and the thread is in the flames, they skulk away and live to harass another day. :nutkick: :woohoo:

Forgive me, I'm an anarchist at heart. Back to the Adult Content Forum I go. :twisted:
 
Rogue Drone said:
Flippin' Thread Terrorists, a anon neg rep bomb or two thrown into a crowd, and the thread is in the flames, they skulk away and live to harass another day. :nutkick: :woohoo:

Forgive me, I'm an anarchist at heart. :twisted:
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That didn't make much sense....are you saying people neg'd you?
From what I have seen you have not done anything that would merit a neg rep.
 
Not on this thread, but I've had my share of neg reps that I did and did not deserve.

Just a general comment, it's so easy for someone to click and jerk people's chains.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
That didn't make much sense....are you saying people neg'd you?
From what I have seen you have not done anything that would merit a neg rep.
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I got a neg rep as well......and you spelled the word wrong(who ever neg reped me be man enough to admit who you are, although I think I know)...I do happen to love my boyfriend and i also know what the word means!
 
toughchick401 said:
I got a neg rep as well......and you spelled the word wrong(who ever neg reped me)...I do happen to love my boyfriend and i also know what the word means!
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Doesn't it show who neg repped you in the User CP? It shows who +repped you there I don't see why it wouldn't show who neg repped. Unless retribution is a concern.
 
jonny21 said:
Doesn't it show who neg repped you in the User CP? It shows who +repped you there I don't see why it wouldn't show who neg repped. Unless retribution is a concern.
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NO I cant see who gave me positive or neg rep points.....it's annoying
 
toughchick401 said:
NO I cant see who gave me positive or neg rep points.....it's annoying
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Do me a favor. Take a journey to your user cp page. Scroll all the way down. Just below your list of subscribed post should be a list of recent reputation points.
 
That is very strange.
 
That only works for board supporters.

Looks like a neg reppin fest in here :eek:

I've escaped so far, but you never know who is next :sick:

No, but really, I haven't seen anything quite neg rep worthy yet....been a pretty good debate so far.
 
Whiskey Steve said:
yep...

but can we all come to an agreement that there is a double standard in the law?.....if anyone objects to this i would like to hear why.
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If anybody says there isn't a double standard, getting an answer of why isn't necessary...a lesson in the law and logic would be, however :lol:
 
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