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A week in, gyno?

beastNmaking

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So I'm just over a week into a six week Havoc/Stano cycle and I've been experiencing sensitive nipples. My right nipple is "puffy" and tgey seem to even be darker in color. I have torem on hand, should I begin dosing it while on cycle? I believe I may be prone to gyno from being obese as a child. Help!
 
beastNmaking said:
So I'm just over a week into a six week Havoc/Stano cycle and I've been experiencing sensitive nipples. My right nipple is "puffy" and tgey seem to even be darker in color. I have torem on hand, should I begin dosing it while on cycle? I believe I may be prone to gyno from being obese as a child. Help!
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I wouldn't use torem on cycle. I would use Nolva or a RC AI like aromasin. I have to say it seems a little odd that gyno symptoms pop up this quick unless you already had underlying gyno that was flared up by the cycle.
 
I was of the impressiin that torem was similar to nolva but better. Also I believe that I most likely have gyno from my early teens, maybe thats why it's flaring up so soon.
 
Torem is better than Nolva for pct but on cycle it would be a waste of torem which is usually more expensive. Reason torem is better is because it is just as effective as Nolva when it comes to your boobs but it is better at restarting your natural test production
 
quit touching or poking it

use arimidex .25mg ED for a week or so than switch to EOD
 
Why are there all of a sudden 15 different "I got gyno on epi" threads every day on here?? Is this a new epidemic that came out of nowhere? or is there some company who doesn't sell epi trying to poison the bodybuilding community on epi? or is this the twilight zone?
 
GeekPoop said:
quit touching or poking it

use arimidex .25mg ED for a week or so than switch to EOD
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If these people are actually getting this gyno from epi, I doubt its from estrogen and would have to be from prolactin....so I assume some caber or prami or OTC prolactin control would be the better choice.
 
I got full blown estro gyno from epi. Not prolactin. It can happen. Get some Adex or Aromasin and run it throughout your cycle.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Why are there all of a sudden 15 different "I got gyno on epi" threads every day on here?? Is this a new epidemic that came out of nowhere? or is there some company who doesn't sell epi trying to poison the bodybuilding community on epi? or is this the twilight zone?
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Does seem to be more lately. Possibly contaminated draws?
 
liftandeat said:
I got full blown estro gyno from epi. Not prolactin. It can happen. Get some Adex or Aromasin and run it throughout your cycle.
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How in the love of fck can you get estro gyno on a DHT derived DS? That is physically impossible.....rebound, yes.....prolactin induced, maybe....estro induced? HOW?
 
Jstrong20 said:
Does seem to be more lately. Possibly contaminated draws?
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Maybe some of this stuff isn't epi after all....not sure on the brands that are responsible, if its IBE for instance I'd be less likely to believe it was something else or contaminated...but some of these off name brands are suspect.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
How in the love of fck can you get estro gyno on a DHT derived DS? That is physically impossible.....rebound, yes.....prolactin induced, maybe....estro induced? HOW?
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Great fuc*ing question man. It's been haunting me for a year.
 
AnabolicHolic said:
Maybe some of this stuff isn't epi after all....not sure on the brands that are responsible, if its IBE for instance I'd be less likely to believe it was something else or contaminated...but some of these off name brands are suspect.
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This 100 percent man. There's clearly something else in the ingredients
 
liftandeat said:
Great fuc*ing question man. It's been haunting me for a year.
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My reasoning goes like this.....epi is antagonistic to estro in the first place (since its a DHT derivative of course), so you would expect some protection straight off the bat.....your test is gonna be tanked in short order, so there shouldn't be any aromatization of test either endogenous or exogenous into estro....and this is where most elevated estro comes from, your test or exogenous test aromatizing....now some of use are like women, and we make a lot of estrogen on our own, not sure if that is from aromatization or is just a product of a fcked up male endocrine system....I just can't find any source that could cause elevated estro, you know? Where is it coming from? Unless when your test is tanked, it throws off your system, and it produces more estrogen due to the imbalance/non-existent test....not sure...
 
AnabolicHolic said:
My reasoning goes like this.....epi is antagonistic to estro in the first place (since its a DHT derivative of course), so you would expect some protection straight off the bat.....your test is gonna be tanked in short order, so there shouldn't be any aromatization of test either endogenous or exogenous into estro....and this is where most elevated estro comes from, your test or exogenous test aromatizing....now some of use are like women, and we make a lot of estrogen on our own, not sure if that is from aromatization or is just a product of a fcked up male endocrine system....I just can't find any source that could cause elevated estro, you know? Where is it coming from? Unless when your test is tanked, it throws off your system, and it produces more estrogen due to the imbalance/non-existent test....not sure...
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Idk dude I used havoc for 8 weeks and started developing the lumps 4 weeks in and by pct it was the real deal gyno. I started nolva week 6 or so but it didn't do anything then half way through pct I decided I needed to get on letro. Letro kinda helped but not as much as I would have liked. I think I had bunk nolva.
 
liftandeat said:
Idk dude I used havoc for 8 weeks and started developing the lumps 4 weeks in and by pct it was the real deal gyno. I started nolva week 6 or so but it didn't do anything then half way through pct I decided I needed to get on letro. Letro kinda helped but not as much as I would have liked. I think I had bunk nolva.
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I think I would try ordering overseas I know there's a risk to it but I would rather have legit stuff. But if you have real gyno go to a doctor they should be able to help. If they refuse try an HRT clinic ( if any are around your area)
 
I went ahead and ordered some letro, gonna ramp it up until symptons subside and then taper to low dose and continue throughout. .25mg ed or eod?
 
Yea, the sides concern me a bit but I've read that letro is the most effective at dealing with gyno, I'm hoping that once the current symptoms are gone that I can use a low dose of letro to keep the gyno away throughtout the rest of the cycle.
 
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