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50 y/o Supplement Advice

4N6DOC

4N6DOC

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Getting back into lifting after a couple of years off, I am currently prescribed clomid (12.5 mg M,W,F) and anastrazole (1 mg M,W,F) for test boosting.
Most recent labs
Test - 565 ng/dL
Free test - 119.2 pg/mL
Estrogen - 109 pg/mL

Was going to start supplementing with creatine, HMB, and ZMA but wanted to see if there is anything else out there I should try.
Want to stick with natural.
For pre-workout was going to use Alpha Lion Super Human Pump. Appreciate opinions on this.

Are there any natural anabolics that work well?

Would a test booster be of any use?

Would cortisol control be of use?

Thanks in advance for any product recommendations and advice.
 
4N6DOC said:
Was going to start supplementing with creatine, HMB, and ZMA but wanted to see if there is anything else out there I should try.
Want to stick with natural.
For pre-workout was going to use Alpha Lion Super Human Pump. Appreciate opinions on this.

Are there any natural anabolics that work well?
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as far as your hormone profile goes, I'll let the resident chemists and experts chime in. But for natural boosters that I love, here are some of my staples. The first one, I love and recommend to absolutely everyone.

XPG Alpha Gel
Anabolic Effect
Anabolic XT
Phosphatidic Acid XT

For preWO, my usual staple is Pump Addict by Muscle Addiction
For added libido fun

SNS Tribulus
SNS Pine Pollen

all of these are also products I get from board sponsor @sns8778
he may also have additional suggestions for you.

I only recently brought creatine back in for fun, but hit most of my lifetime PRs last year without it.
I tried HMB a long time ago but don't anymore (no reason, I just don't).
I tend to throw down some ZMA to improve sleep quality when I need it, but Alpha Gel and the higher quality work outs I get on the above list tend to cover me there. ZMA can help male sexual health, but I think I get that also from the above products and the occasional dosing of Orchid Extract. Either Swansons which is dirt cheap, or the ridiculously priced Liver Kings product is also actually pretty good. but way too expensive to me

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Will second:
Anabolic Effect
Anabolic XT
Phosphatidic Acid XT

And you may like Apex Alchemy topical Epichaos (best Epicatechin product imo). I find this really works well for us "older" folks.
 
thanks bot

Yea have a look into Apex-alchemy products, we have some serious options for training and more importantly health~

I second Epichaos, its awesome but will add Ursa major and Triton for a complete domination in the gym and over your body composition.
 
botk1161 said:
And you may like Apex Alchemy topical Epichaos (best Epicatechin product imo). I find this really works well for us "older" folks.
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I literally have a bottle of apex epichaos sitting 12" from me right now lol
and next to that is a bottle of apex triton I used today ;)
 
Thanks for the recommendations. Are you stacking these supplements or using then independently?

looking to stay stim free on the pre workout since I will be lifting in the evenings.
 
4N6DOC said:
Thanks for the recommendations. Are you stacking these supplements or using then independently?

looking to stay stim free on the pre workout since I will be lifting in the evenings.
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You can stack any of these, but its probably best to stick with one for a couple of weeks before introducing another so you can get a feel for it independently or so you can judge how its working compared to adding another supplement.
 
Dustin07 said:
I literally have a bottle of apex epichaos sitting 12" from me right now lol
and next to that is a bottle of apex triton I used today ;)
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I love the immediate pump and "on" feeling of epichaos - right after I put it on my forearms.
 
4N6DOC said:
Getting back into lifting after a couple of years off, I am currently prescribed clomid (12.5 mg M,W,F) and anastrazole (1 mg M,W,F) for test boosting.
Most recent labs
Test - 565 ng/dL
Free test - 119.2 pg/mL
Estrogen - 109 pg/mL

Was going to start supplementing with creatine, HMB, and ZMA but wanted to see if there is anything else out there I should try.
Want to stick with natural.
For pre-workout was going to use Alpha Lion Super Human Pump. Appreciate opinions on this.

Are there any natural anabolics that work well?

Would a test booster be of any use?

Would cortisol control be of use?

Thanks in advance for any product recommendations and advice.
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@Dustin07 had some great suggestions above.

Personally, for a stimulant free pre-workout, I love Super Swole - https://seriousnutritionsolutions.com/product/creatine-hcl-caps/

For creatine, I can't do creatine monohydrate because it bloats me badly and causes me to hold fluid, so I use Creatine HCI. It's great because it requires a much lower dosage and there is no bloating or fluid retention.

For natural testosterone boosters, there are a lot of great options. I personally stack M-Test and Optimize-T, but will include links for those plus more down below.

There are a lot of natural anabolics that people really enjoy and have great results with. Here would be my favorites:
For natural testosterone boosters:
For Cortisol Control:
 
4N6DOC said:
Thanks for the recommendations. Are you stacking these supplements or using then independently?

looking to stay stim free on the pre workout since I will be lifting in the evenings.
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I stack pretty much everything. Although like right now I'm finishing up a long run of EpiAndroLean and will start back up on Optimize T. So my stack for the next 6 weeks or so will probably look like this:

At wake-up:
Optimize T
Alpha Gel
Tribulus
Pine Pollen

Later in the day or PreWO:
Anabolic Effect
Phosphatidic Acid XT
Arginine
Creatine

At night:
Orchic Extract

and now it looks like i'm going to have to order a bottle of Steves new XPG product, Carnitine. lol

The only reason I break up the timing on when I take those supplements above is because it's easier to get all those capsules in. I often have half my supplements at work with a shaker of water that I spike with either a greens powder, or collagen powder etc.
 
Thanks. I was thinking more along the lines of the body adapting to the supplements and switching it up every 8 to 12 weeks with different supplements that have different ingredients.
 
4N6DOC said:
Thanks. I was thinking more along the lines of the body adapting to the supplements and switching it up every 8 to 12 weeks with different supplements that have different ingredients.
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There are some things that your body may adapt to, but not most of them. What we think of sometimes as adapting to them is really just the results we get from them becoming our new normal and we get used to feeling the way we do on them.

The average I would say with most things for cycling on natural anabolics would be 12 to 20 weeks, if a person chooses to cycle them.
 
FWIW, I am over 50 (boy, am I) and I am about to start the following stack:
  • XPG L-Carnitine Gel
  • CEL M-Test
  • SNS Amentoflavone XT
  • SNS Spilanthes XT
  • SNS Pine Pollen
  • SNS Tribulus-750
 
53 here. On androgel from my Doc, my test results are 500-880 depending on how diligent I am with applying the stuff

The question I have is can this be stacked with the recommendations made here?
 
raquen said:
53 here. On androgel from my Doc, my test results are 500-880 depending on how diligent I am with applying the stuff

The question I have is can this be stacked with the recommendations made here?
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Yes. A lot of people use many of the products that have been discussed here with Androgel or other forms of HRT.
 
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