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Yup, intermittent fasting plus low carb high fat has helped me drop my blood sugar and further control my diabetesNot snacking, limiting or removing refined carbs in your meals. Increase fat in your meals. Scientifically proven to lower blood sugar.
EditYup, intermittent fasting plus low carb high fat has helped me drop my blood sugar and further control my diabetes
Insulin resistance is what's keeping me away from MK667. Like thyroid hormones, that's not something you want to **** with... consequences are not worth the potential gains.This is interesting for me as about to start 10mg MK677 and worried about increase of blood glucose. Am going to take it 1-2 hours before bed and a GDA before daily big carb meals, keeping water consumption 3 ltrs a day minimum...cant see my carbs going over 200g a day. Will be using BG monitor 1 hour before meals and 2 hours after to check BG levels.
They have unfortunately got a gross misunderstanding of insulin resistance. Giving someone a sugar beverage every day for a thousand days won't, in of itself, cause insulin resistance.Is it just me or did anyone else notice 2 things about the post??
1. It was pretty well done with some deeper understanding and I actually learned a few things.
2. It only lists 3 supplements?
I agree. Demonizing one marco nutrient has historically lead to over eating of another Macro nutrient. Before low carb it was the Zero sugar call-out that really did damage to our waistlines...They have unfortunately got a gross misunderstanding of insulin resistance. Giving someone a sugar beverage every day for a thousand days won't, in of itself, cause insulin resistance.
Countries that have a high carb intake yet low levels of obesity and diabetes are evidence of that. The people at most risk of developing diet induced insulin resistance are the overweight and obese who are chronically and systemically inflammed. The constant flow of proinflammatory cytokines is what contibutes to, and is the cause of so many obesity related illnesses - T2 diabetes being one of them.
There is a growing molecular understanding of T2D and a lot of the evidence points towards TNF-a and IL-6 being prime candidates for diet induced resistance. In contrast, those with higher adiponectin and lower tnf-a had demonstrably lower incidences of T2D.
I do have an issue where people blanket blame any particular macro nutrient for diet related issues as it contributes to the wider misunderstanding of how lifestyle related illnesses are developed. The #1 reason people develop insulin resistance is due to being overweight. The prime contributors to being overweight are a combination of overeating and lack of bipedal movement. There are subfactors, but those are the overarching toxic duo that have the greatest weighting.
rice, baby, rice...used to buy it in 100lb burlap bags when I lived in southeast asia. ate it 3xday everyday, never even heard of a Asian having diabetes back then. I still eat it regularly!!!I agree. Demonizing one marco nutrient has historically lead to over eating of another Macro nutrient. Before low carb it was the Zero sugar call-out that really did damage to our waistlines...
at the end of the day it is really simple but we always over complicate it. learn you caloric needs and eat a majority of vegetables, fruits, legumes, and add lean proteins and some good fats.
Agreed 100%.I agree. Demonizing one marco nutrient has historically lead to over eating of another Macro nutrient. Before low carb it was the Zero sugar call-out that really did damage to our waistlines...
at the end of the day it is really simple but we always over complicate it. learn you caloric needs and eat a majority of vegetables, fruits, legumes, and add lean proteins and some good fats.
But if I eat less, how can I get to be 280 and shredded to the bone?Agreed 100%.
So many high calorie foods are hyperpalatable, which plays a leading role in obesity epidemiology. Couple that with its high availability and we're in for a rough time obesity wise.
If we focused our energy on simply making better food choices and eating less rather than worrying if we should be eating carbs or fats or proteins, then we wont lose sight of what actually matters.
I like the premise of the article, its just a misunderstanding that because insulin resistance impacts carbohydrate balance in the body, it doesn't mean that carbohydrates were the cause of the problem in the first place
I agree with this. I am far from a low carb believer. In the nutrition section there is a thread about ketosis and igf1 and it seemed like nobody understood that when scientist want to induce diabetes in mice they don't just give it sugar. They either give it a high fat diet, or a high fat and high carb diet - but elevated lipids are a much more reliable trigger for diabetes.They have unfortunately got a gross misunderstanding of insulin resistance. Giving someone a sugar beverage every day for a thousand days won't, in of itself, cause insulin resistance.
Countries that have a high carb intake yet low levels of obesity and diabetes are evidence of that. The people at most risk of developing diet induced insulin resistance are the overweight and obese who are chronically and systemically inflammed. The constant flow of proinflammatory cytokines is what contibutes to, and is the cause of so many obesity related illnesses - T2 diabetes being one of them.
There is a growing molecular understanding of T2D and a lot of the evidence points towards TNF-a and IL-6 being prime candidates for diet induced resistance. In contrast, those with higher adiponectin and lower tnf-a had demonstrably lower incidences of T2D.
I do have an issue where people blanket blame any particular macro nutrient for diet related issues as it contributes to the wider misunderstanding of how lifestyle related illnesses are developed. The #1 reason people develop insulin resistance is due to being overweight. The prime contributors to being overweight are a combination of overeating and lack of bipedal movement. There are subfactors, but those are the overarching toxic duo that have the greatest weighting.
Except for what is used in muscle protein synthesis, takin in as protein. But yes, once you exceed that limit, it must be stored as fat. Any diet which will reliably cause fat storage will be reliable to cause insulin resistance as well.I agree with this. I am far from a low carb believer. In the nutrition section there is a thread about ketosis and igf1 and it seemed like nobody understood that when scientist want to induce diabetes in mice they don't just give it sugar. They either give it a high fat diet, or a high fat and high carb diet - but elevated lipids are a much more reliable trigger for diabetes.
I think people actually have a potentially backwards view on carb metabolism. It is likely that we are designed to run best on carbs, elevated fats are toxic, and caloric surplus breaks our metabolic flexibility.
It is, IMO, more about caloric surplus than any macro nutrient. You can only burn and store so many calories as glucose. After that, it doesn't matter what it goes in as, it has to be stored as fat.
What do you notice from Berberine?Berberine, hands down the best supplement. 450-600mg/d. Works quick and has a ton of extra benefits.
The blood sugar lowering effects are only seen in lab tests, can't be felt -unless you are diabetic and leg ulcers start healing.What do you notice from Berberine?
Keep us posted on your results! I will be using the new innovapharm genesis product which isn’t mk677 but will have similar effects and definitely plan on continuing to use 1-2 caps of Glycøshield at bed to heighten GH releaseThis is interesting for me as about to start 10mg MK677 and worried about increase of blood glucose. Am going to take it 1-2 hours before bed and a GDA before daily big carb meals, keeping water consumption 3 ltrs a day minimum...cant see my carbs going over 200g a day. Will be using BG monitor 1 hour before meals and 2 hours after to check BG levels.
I jumped the gun and posted itIs it just me or did anyone else notice 2 things about the post??
1. It was pretty well done with some deeper understanding and I actually learned a few things.
2. It only lists 3 supplements?
That’s not considered low. Low usually is 20-40 grams is considered low. Any lower and your going in to Ketosis most likely .Don't get me wrong, I'll have a high carb day every week but the majority of the time I eat 100 grams or less per day
Low for me is around 100 grams. My high carb day is usually around 400 gramsThat’s not considered low. Low usually is 20-40 grams is considered low. Any lower and your going in to Ketosis most likely .
Thtas very true. A glucometer is useful to test this. Is this how you test your blood sugar levels?The blood sugar lowering effects are only seen in lab tests, can't be felt -unless you are diabetic and leg ulcers start healing.
I use Berberine and whole plant extracts containing berberine, to fight intestinal -and UI infections with great success. I used Berberine also in conjunction with other compounds to cure dogs from leishmaniasis.
Nah. I do once -or twice a year blood labs and have no issues with blood glucose levels myself. Here where I live, I'm considered a sort of a "healer", attending numerous people with their problems for free. Diabetes is one of the more frequent afflictions I see and I follow the treatment results of others. Berberine is OUTSTANDING when it comes to treat metabolic -and/or blood sugar issues.Thtas very true. A glucometer is useful to test this. Is this how you test your blood sugar levels?
porn is sexual healing...in a holistic sort of way, lol.Nah. I do once -or twice a year blood labs and have no issues with blood glucose levels myself. Here where I live, I'm considered a sort of a "healer", attending numerous people with their problems for free. Diabetes is one of the more frequent afflictions I see and I follow the treatment results of others. Berberine is OUTSTANDING when it comes to treat metabolic -and/or blood sugar issues.
I don't claim to cure diseases (yes I do, ) I mostly share from personal experiences (also what worked on others), as I don't visit medical doctors ever, unless I need a lab test -or to confirm a suspected (self) diagnose. My use of the internet is to 80% of educational purpose, especially holistic healing, unlike most people where 80% is porn.
What you say makes a whole lotta sense. I'm inclined to agree with you.They have unfortunately got a gross misunderstanding of insulin resistance. Giving someone a sugar beverage every day for a thousand days won't, in of itself, cause insulin resistance.
Countries that have a high carb intake yet low levels of obesity and diabetes are evidence of that. The people at most risk of developing diet induced insulin resistance are the overweight and obese who are chronically and systemically inflammed. The constant flow of proinflammatory cytokines is what contibutes to, and is the cause of so many obesity related illnesses - T2 diabetes being one of them.
There is a growing molecular understanding of T2D and a lot of the evidence points towards TNF-a and IL-6 being prime candidates for diet induced resistance. In contrast, those with higher adiponectin and lower tnf-a had demonstrably lower incidences of T2D.
I do have an issue where people blanket blame any particular macro nutrient for diet related issues as it contributes to the wider misunderstanding of how lifestyle related illnesses are developed. The #1 reason people develop insulin resistance is due to being overweight. The prime contributors to being overweight are a combination of overeating and lack of bipedal movement. There are subfactors, but those are the overarching toxic duo that have the greatest weighting.
I was considering that. Actually was doing keto with really low carbs - like 30, and didn't feel too well. Wondering if there is a happy medium- not sure what amount of carbs I can eat to lose weight but also keep my brain levels feeling good and sleep good as well. When I was very low Keto, sleep was not good. I could only get to sleep if I actually had a small carb serving in the middle of the night after not sleeping. That put me back to sleep fortunately.Keto for type 2 ftw.
Well 7 days in on MK677/Ostarine stack and yesterday checked fasting blood sugar it was 99.1...within the lower range and blood pressure fine also. I have been taking Berbarine with Banana Leaf extract and I can only report a positive start to the cycle thus far with little water attention and a mild increase in hunger..nothing crazy.Keep us posted on your results! I will be using the new innovapharm genesis product which isn’t mk677 but will have similar effects and definitely plan on continuing to use 1-2 caps of Glycøshield at bed to heighten GH release
The first thing you need to focus on, aside from taking any prescribed medications, is focusing on your diet.What you say makes a whole lotta sense. I'm inclined to agree with you.
But what would be the remedy for someone ( like myself) who doesn't eat a whole lot- yet being in middle age, has added 35 pounds since hitting middle age, and is told I have high blood sugar which my Doc says has led to Type 2 diabetes. So if I have too much blood sugar circulating around, obviously my body or my pancreas is not utilizing the carbs I take in properly. As a yewt, I was able to process carbs a whole lot better and not gain weight or have a blood sugar problem.
But here I am at 57 with type 2.Wouldn't it be beneficial to take some blood sugar lowering supplements since A) I'm already overweight. B) body can't process the carbs as well? I am really thinking that as we age, we really can't handle carbs. like we used to.
FYI, started using Berberine and fiber to try and get the blood sugar levels down. And I exercise too. And try to keep my calories to a reasonable level.
I am 60 and have been a tennis player/runner most of my life-except for those years where a bad knee made this intolerable. now I have a new knee and am back to running....I enjoy my sweets and my glucose usually comes back low, I even have to carry hard candies with me for those occasions where I go hypo.I was considering that. Actually was doing keto with really low carbs - like 30, and didn't feel too well. Wondering if there is a happy medium- not sure what amount of carbs I can eat to lose weight but also keep my brain levels feeling good and sleep good as well. When I was very low Keto, sleep was not good. I could only get to sleep if I actually had a small carb serving in the middle of the night after not sleeping. That put me back to sleep fortunately.
Also too much exercise didn't help either. I think I need to tweek what I'm doing because I have lost 10 pounds but have stayed at this plateau for a couple of months and the scale is not budging.
Glad to hear the new knee is treating you well. It sounds like you live a pretty active lifestyle in general, which is hugely beneficial.I am 60 and have been a tennis player/runner most of my life-except for those years where a bad knee made this intolerable. now I have a new knee and am back to running....I enjoy my sweets and my glucose usually comes back low, I even have to carry hard candies with me for those occasions where I go hypo.
I highly suggest running at least 45 minutes 3-5x weekly.
Well shot that’s not keto. 200 grams of protein with 65 grams of fat is not keto lol Not to mention there is no long term danger that has beeen published so till that happens we can’t make that claimLots going on in this thread currently! To chime in as someone who swore by low carb/Keto for the last 6 years until recently......
From a health and wellness perspective Keto is NOT healthy long term for people who consistently train hard... high intensity cardio and weights 4-5 days per week. I got blood work done that showed some severe muscle breakdown (elevated ck and other catabolic / inflammatory markers) after only 3 weeks with increased carb intake the numbers normalized...... I was taking in 30g c daily, 200g p, 90f and had intense muscle pain, spasms, and weakness. I reworked my macros to be 200g p, 100g c, 65g f and feel better, have incredible workouts, and am now able to cut seemingly at will on a daily basis by reducing carbs and/or adding extra cardio to my maintenance. Everyone is different but the take home point from my experience is that Keto and low carb will not work well for people who are moderately to extremely active. I’ve seen literature that proves muscles and brain will not function optimally With Keto / LC and increased activity. For gen pop who is sendentary and obese it is ideal, but for anyone who Is fairly active and tracking macros it isn’t necessary for weight loss/maintenance and may contribute to more negative effects than positive
No it’s not nutritional Keto but with the exercise /activity level I was registered on keto strips. Also using Supps like Innøslim and Glycøshield that inhibit glucogenesis from excess protein so..it’s all relative. As I said to start the post everyone is differentWell shot that’s not keto. 200 grams of protein with 65 grams of fat is not keto lol Not to mention there is no long term danger that has beeen published so till that happens we can’t make that claim
Fat should have been higher for sure. I feel like the excessive protein to fat to carb ratio played a large role as well.No it’s not nutritional Keto but with the exercise /activity level I was registered on keto strips. Also using Supps like Innøslim and Glycøshield that inhibit glucogenesis from excess protein so..it’s all relative. As I said to start the post everyone is different
Definitely agree. And thank you.Fat should have been higher for sure. I feel like the excessive protein to fat to carb ratio played a large role as well.
But glad to hear it's going better
Yeah I was sort of thinking more fat may have helped. Especially taking supplements that inhibit gluconeogenesis, you may have just been low on fuel in general. Regardless, I’ve seen countless accounts of people responding extremely well to Keto and extremely poorly to Keto. May just vary from person to person. As someone who probably gets close to 1000g of carbs a day, I’ve never experimented with Keto, I do extremely well on high carbs. I did low carbs once (not Keto) and the weight loss I got was insane. Borderline scary, even. But workout performance went down and my muscles flattened out. You may be one of those higher carb kind of people like me (well, maybe not quite like me!).Definitely agree. And thank you.
Yea for sure. If you’re taking in 1,000g of a carbs a day that’s insane man haha and cutting weight must be scary easy like you said...Yeah I was sort of thinking more fat may have helped. Especially taking supplements that inhibit gluconeogenesis, you may have just been low on fuel in general. Regardless, I’ve seen countless accounts of people responding extremely well to Keto and extremely poorly to Keto. May just vary from person to person. As someone who probably gets close to 1000g of carbs a day, I’ve never experimented with Keto, I do extremely well on high carbs. I did low carbs once (not Keto) and the weight loss I got was insane. Borderline scary, even. But workout performance went down and my muscles flattened out. You may be one of those higher carb kind of people like me (well, maybe not quite like me!).
Yea for sure. If you’re taking in 1,000g of a carbs a day that’s insane man haha and cutting weight must be scary easy like you said... I envy that lolYeah I was sort of thinking more fat may have helped. Especially taking supplements that inhibit gluconeogenesis, you may have just been low on fuel in general. Regardless, I’ve seen countless accounts of people responding extremely well to Keto and extremely poorly to Keto. May just vary from person to person. As someone who probably gets close to 1000g of carbs a day, I’ve never experimented with Keto, I do extremely well on high carbs. I did low carbs once (not Keto) and the weight loss I got was insane. Borderline scary, even. But workout performance went down and my muscles flattened out. You may be one of those higher carb kind of people like me (well, maybe not quite like me!).
I dropped something like 9 pounds in 6 days. Haven’t done it since! Also, I should note, I don’t track macros. But dear god do I eat a lot of carbs.Yea for sure. If you’re taking in 1,000g of a carbs a day that’s insane man haha and cutting weight must be scary easy like you said... I envy that lol
High levels of carbs and lot of type two diabetes in Japan . Also in Japan they walk more than the average American .The first thing you need to focus on, aside from taking any prescribed medications, is focusing on your diet.
If we look at a country like Japan for instance, they have a high % of carbohydrate intake relative to their total energy intake, however they also tend to have a lower gross intake of Calories. If you are eating in excess of what your body can utilise, then a lot of funky things start happening. The most obvious thing visibly is that you put on fat, however a lot of things start happening internally which start to break down how your body functions. But we cant blame carbs as a whole for these issues. It's not the body cant deal with them as we age, it's more that we cause enough damage when we are overweight that one of those outcomes is our body starts to reject the way it normally functions.
If you have type 2, then it is an different ball game because of this dysfunction. The cells of your body are no longer responding to insulin correctly, and your liver is releasing more sugar into your blood than it otherwise would, causing hyperglycemia.
Exercise and diet are essential now, alongside medication that helps you control the complications
Japan has a comparatively low incidence of type 2 diabetes when you account for life expectancy.High levels of carbs and lot of type two diabetes in Japan . Also in Japan they walk more than the average American .
Our over all portions are smaller compared to Americans not to mention our desserts have less sugar and they burn more calories than most Americans that don’t walk . But more and more I’m seeing in my email inbox for studies for Japanese with type two diabetes.Japan has a comparatively low incidence of type 2 diabetes when you account for life expectancy.
Also very low rates of obesity
Does that mean the issue is out of control, or that they are interested in studying it?Our over all portions are smaller compared to Americans not to mention our desserts have less sugar and they burn more calories than most Americans that don’t walk . But more and more I’m seeing in my email inbox for studies for Japanese with type two diabetes.
The email says now more than ever they are finding Japanese are in the rise with type two diabetics more than ever over the last 8 years and if I would be interested in being in a study .Does that mean the issue is out of control, or that they are interested in studying it?
Stats like this tend to increase anyway, often corresponding with an aging population and population increase in general.The email says now more than ever they are finding Japanese are in the rise with type two diabetics more than ever over the last 8 years and if I would be interested in being in a study .