5-deca-zol

mominnebraska

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My son is 17 and wants to start taking 5-deca-zol. He wants to gain muscle for football. I don't know too much about it except what I have read. Does anyone have any personal experience with this product? Any comments would be appreciated.
 
It's a stack of two steroids with fruit flavoring. I don't think you will find anyone who thinks it's a good idea for a 17 year old to take. Perhaps some books on nutrition? He should be able to gain a lot with the right type of diet.

Specifically it's a medium-high dose of Superdrol and a low dose of H-drol.
 
mominnebraska said:
Thank you for your reply, I try to tell him that but apparently I don't know what I am talking about.
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I also answered in your other thread, and as I said there he's too young. I wouldn't begin to get into philisophical views as to whether PH/AAS are good or bad in general. I would give you some advice from the standpoint of a son who always did what he wasn't suppose to especially if my parents said no.

Out knowledge him. Stick around, learn, upstage him when he tries to throw knowledge your way. Encourage him and his goal for physical fitness, but send him down the right path. At his age he should be locking on his diet, training and a few staple supplements are fine. He still has much potential and at his age his body already produces enough testosterone on it's own.
 
What are his diet and training like? If you know his weight, bodyfat percent, caloric intake, and nutrient macros that would help.
 
Also, I'll try and find some older posts that were awesome and full of info your looking for. If not, a bit later I'll write some of the concepts up for you.
 
He is 165. 4.5% body fat, 5000 calories per day. I don't know what a nutrient macros is.
He lifts 5 days a week, his diet is okay, not sure exactly what it should be.
 
Another thing that a lot of people recommend here is "Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle" by Tom Venuto, I've given it to a few friends who "just can't lose/gain weight no matter what" and they have started making progress within weeks.
 
mominnebraska said:
He is 165. 4.5% body fat, 5000 calories per day. I don't know what a nutrient macros is.
He lifts 5 days a week, his diet is okay, not sure exactly what it should be.
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Nutrient macro is percent of his caloric intake from protein/fat/carbs. Is he counting calories? Unless he is doing a lot of heavy cardio or eating wrong it seems unlikely he is actually getting 5000 calories per day and not gaining at 165. Not impossible but not common either.
 
I'm in NE. He should not use this product. And from what I know his coach would not approve either. They sell this stuff at Complete Nutrition stores. I can see how it could be appealing to younger guys because the radio commercial around here starts off with:

"Do you want to gain 20lbs of solid muscle in 3 weeks..."

The commercial is completely over the top.
 
im in omaha ne too and here the 5-deca-zol commercial all the time...creatine is okay for him to use...make sure he is getting plenty of protein shakes and chicken...id make some protein shakes with milk and add peanut butter to them
 
Diet, training, Protein, branch chain amino acids, multi vitamin, and for some creatine are what most consider staple supplements and are fine.

If he really is taking in 5000 cals a day that is definitely enough to gain mass on. You said he was 165lbs, how tall is he? Since he's in high school football I have a good idea as to how much cardio he does, but his lifting routine may need some tweaking.
 
mominnebraska said:
What do you think of creatine?
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Creatine is safe as long as he drinks plenty of water. The only real risk is kidney stones and that shouldn't happen if he stays hydrated. People here take as much as 20g/day for a week or two "loading" period then 5-7g/day continuously after that. There is no need to cycle off of it either.

Branched chain amino acids are another safe supplement that is effective for nearly everyone.
 
dpfisher said:
Creatine is safe as long as he drinks plenty of water. The only real risk is kidney stones and that shouldn't happen if he stays hydrated. People here take as much as 20g/day for a week or two "loading" period then 5-7g/day continuously after that. There is no need to cycle off of it either.
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Other danger is dehydration and a few less common issues which are not really that bad and are easily taken care of with plenty of hydration.
 
mominnebraska said:
He is 165. 4.5% body fat, 5000 calories per day. I don't know what a nutrient macros is.
He lifts 5 days a week, his diet is okay, not sure exactly what it should be.
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here is a picture of someone around 4% bodyfat, so i'm kind of doubting he's really that, kind of the same thing with the calories. 5000 calories takes serious work to get in.

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Although i'm sure thats what he answered when you asked him.
 
No he doesn't quite look like that, although he is very lean. He probably gets 5000 calories, maybe not the right kind. I'll have to do more research into diet. Thanks
 
He is 6'1". He doesn't do much cardio now, only weights. But he will when they start baseball next week. Thanks for all the info.
 
Yeah, a healthy and proper 5000 cals a day is really a serious undertaking. You have to be eating 5-6 meals. Unless you eat a triple stack bacon cheeseburger with fries for breakfast, a whole chocolate cheese cake for lunch, and you get the picture.
 
mominnebraska said:
No he doesn't quite look like that, although he is very lean. He probably gets 5000 calories, maybe not the right kind. I'll have to do more research into diet. Thanks
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theres tons of info here, and we're all more than happy to pitch in that way. Its funny, and many guys older than your son also have a hard time understanding it for some reason, but the steroids aren't magic beans, and if you can't get your diet right then you won't see any significant gains even with steroids, or even worse in some ways you may gain some while you are using them but loose it all after you are done.

natural peanut butter on whole grain bread with a 16oz glass of milk is a great way to stuff down 600-800 calories or so, and is an easy snack. Or just the jar of natural peanut butter and a spoon, and a big glass of milk
 
yeah, 6'1 @ 165, he can gain plenty by just working on diet. he may have hit something of a plateau for the moment, but the diet has to be his real holdup.
 
I will definitly start working with him on his diet more. Thank you soooo much too everyone for all your input. Definitly keep it coming. It's hard for me, i'm all about losing weight and all he wants to do is gain. lol.
 
raw unsalted nuts are a great tool for someone that has a hard time gaining as they are dense healthy calorie sources, and doesn't require refrigeration.
 
If he still wants to take that stuff point out to him that if his diet is wrong he won't see gains even with steroids, only the nasty side effects.
 
I am definitly not letting him take it. You have to be 18 to buy it. But I really needed back up so that he knew that I wasn't the only one who thought it was bad, and there are other healthy ways to gain muscle.
 
Also, I just wanted to throw a few links out that I would throw out to someone who was whom I felt was old enough etc to try PH/AAS. I just think that you should also know that side. These are more positive information on how to etc and does not even begin to touch on the why not to.

By the way, I applaud your attitude and willingness to truly learn what your son is doing/wants to do.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/64820-designer-steroid-prohormone.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/89979-otc-hormone-chart.html

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/66113-no-excuses-no.html

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mominnebraska said:
thanks for the links, and thank you, I do try to know everything my kids are into.
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One day your kids will appreciate you. Probably not in the next 3 or 4 years, just based on my own experience.

If you son thinks he's smarter than you on this pro-hormone. Direct him to us.

In my pictures thread - you can see I gained 30 lbs with minimal supplements (and NO steroids/pro-hormones). There are plenty of us skinny dudes that built mass.
 
I roughly same size as your son, on the 5000 calories. Trying to consume that many calories from a well planned whole food diet it tremendous. Its like eating whole meals every 2-3 hours. For the longest time I said to myself nothing works and I eat everything in sight and can't can a pound. Have him record his cals/fats/carbs/protein for one day, im quite sure he will be surprised about how much he is under eating. Diet put 15 lbs on me in under two months. stopped bulking for track reasons.

edit: sorry for grammer. and if he is honestly that lean, then he can consume everything and eat mountains of foods with good fats etc.. and not worry about gaining fat especially at this age.
 
if he doesnt listen to your input....mabye you should encourage him to join the forum...oh and props to you for going out of your way to learn this stuff...it really shows that you care
 
mooch2321 said:
if he doesnt listen to your input....mabye you should encourage him to join the forum...oh and props to you for going out of your way to learn this stuff...it really shows that you care
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agreed plenty of knowledgeable kids on here his age that could inform him
 
him joining the forum does have its downside. He will end up using steroids/ph/aas because soo much info is at his fingertips.
 
sounds like the kid knows what this supp is, probably has a bunch of friends that convinced their niave parents to buy it for them, not to mention this commercial on the radio. Good thing you are looking into it for him. Creatine will work as long as he keeps up with his dosing correctly (not missing days etc). I will bet that when he gets 18 he will buy that product.
 
repmks said:
him joining the forum does have its downside. He will end up using steroids/ph/aas because soo much info is at his fingertips.
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Sounds like he's going to anyway might as well learn to PCT
 
well to start off i would never hate on 5-deca! It has done wonders for me and my friends! If taken properly it has great effects and virtually no sides! It is for lean hard mass though, usually only 5-10lbs. And just for everyone 5-deca is not a steroid! Im pretty sure that it wouldnt be legal if it was! Its a pro-hormone. On the other side yes your son is a little young i wouldnt recomend any PH till at least 18. If he does want to take it just tell him to take a good liver sup and there will be no worries with it. Make sure to take a good PCT like complete nutritions recycle and 3-test-oxo. With both of those he will keep all his gains and get his body back to normal.
 
BurrNellY said:
well to start off i would never hate on 5-deca! It has done wonders for me and my friends! If taken properly it has great effects and virtually no sides! It is for lean hard mass though, usually only 5-10lbs. And just for everyone 5-deca is not a steroid! Im pretty sure that it wouldnt be legal if it was! Its a pro-hormone. On the other side yes your son is a little young i wouldnt recomend any PH till at least 18. If he does want to take it just tell him to take a good
liver sup and there will be no worries with it. Make sure to take
a good PCT like complete nutritions recycle and 3-test-oxo.
With both of those he will keep all his gains and get his body
back to normal.
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Hmm digging up an old post and it's your first, hmm.. But if it is a combo of SD and Hdrol it is both a PH (hdrol) and a active steriod (SD).

From what I find most people that can't gain really aren't eating right. Especially younger kids... You can pack away good clean foods at a high amount. Most over estimate what they eat.
 
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