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5/3/1 Training with LGD + Dermatrest cycle

Also, you're using an oral syringe, right? I wouldn't trust the volume delivered by the pump on the bottle. I would pour the bottle into a tupperware and use an oral syringe.

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I found I needed a lot of that kind of trest to get the desired effects, upwards of 2-300 per day. which is fine. but the trest should have you acting like a 16 yr old kid with a raging libido ... srs. ive combined with many different hormones and trest literally trumps them all and makes me horny as hell!
 
not nessasarily.. that's me.. not you.
but give it a couple days at the new dose and see if you don't look at all the girls you see in a different light!~
 
I'm ahead of myself right now. But do you guys have any thoughts on laxogenin products? Transdermal vs oral? Planning on throwing that in the mix starting during PCT and running for additional 8 weeks, to try and hold onto and solidly any gains while getting hormones back on track.
 
Day 6
200.8

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest 5pm
5 mg LGD 5pm
STILL HAVE NOT DIPPED INTO AI YET


Effects
-Desire to train is very strong. Off day and I'm wanting to lift right now. Haha
-Hunger pangs are hitting very hard today. Dinner 3 cups of beef stew, was starving an hour later. Needed to dip into some protein bars and ice cream. Absolutely starving and I've been eating every 3 hours since 7 am!


Diet
3798 calories
268 grams Protein
358 grams Carbohydrates
151 grams Fat

Training
Off
 
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Delayed answer to your q, yes i think harder assistance sets are better. 4x12 seems ok, but it ends up being cardio, and 5/3/1 the intensity is (intentionally) low and on cycle I'd say more fiber damage is necessary.

Id take a weight i can just do for 10 or 12 my first set and keep it constant, and as long as the 4th set isnt a huge drop off (say less than half the original sets reps, and no desperation reps) id add weight.
 
Thanks. Too add: I slightly changed the 5/3/1 main movements. For this cycle. Im doing the advanced template which is not a top AMRAP set...
I'm getting considerable volume, it's 5 sets 5, then following week 5 sets of 3, then try to max out in 3rd week.
 
Day 7
201.2

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
2 mg fish oil
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest preworkout
5 mg LGD preworkout
12.5 mg AI


Effects
-Feel like I'm retaining water. High sodium intake past few days not helping. Added AI this morning 12.5 going to plan for every 3rd day. Only gallon ish water intake past 2 days, need to focus today to get back near 2 gallons.
-Elbows pain


Diet
3648 calories
286 grams Protein
390 grams carbs
117 grams fat


Training
Bench press 3x5 90% intensity
Chest assistance
Bench Press
90x5
115x5
140x3
160x3
185x3
205x3 (3 min rest)
205x3 (3 min rest)
205x3 (4 min rest)
205x3 (5 min rest)
205x3

Dips 2 minute rest
5x10
5x10
5x9
5x8

Dumbell Fly 2 minute rest
30x12
30x10
30x8
30x6

Skull crusher 2 minute rest
65x12
65x10
65x8
65x7

Push up 1 minute rest
15
11
9
7
 
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Week 2 Day 1
(Day 8)
199.8
19.2% Body fat

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest 5 p
5 mg LGD 5pm
12.5 mg AI 10pm


Effects
-mood is very good
-going to need to move to 12.5 mg AI every other day. Itchiness is back as of an hour ago.


Diet
3442 calories
279 grams Protein
346 grams Carbs
117 grams Fat


Training
Off
 
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I like what you did there, turned what could be a so so 531 day into a brutal high volume push session.

You keeping form on point and pausing benches?
 
Yes. With only doing 5 and 3 rep sets its very easy to not break form, as could happen when you are pushing for PRs. (Which I am a costumed to) By last set, I was done. I was considering adding more sets but by that 7th set I was spent. I might have a rep in tank. Then I did what was suggested and just pushed each assistance movement to failure keep weight constant. If I can get at a min 12 10 8 6 with a weight I will up it for the following week. Obviously in the moment if I can get 12 I will get it, but not at expense of the load...
 
-I did calculations earlier today based on my weight and body fat measurement:
Day 1: 197.8lbs 20% BF
158.24 LBM
39.56 Fat

Day 8 199.8 lbs 19% BF
161.84 LBM
37.96 fat

If calculations are correct I gained 3.6 lbs LBM and lost 1.6 lbs fat. I understand likely some of the gains are water. First week maybe a large amount are, but still this encouraging. Plus, I know I could easily mis measure by a millimeter. :). But I'll keep measuring weekly and report back.
 
I find trest is pretty carb hungry, so if its size you are after eat more fast carbs like white rice.. last thing you want is a ton of slow carbs in your belly while on trest!! the bloat is brutal. if its the recomp effects you are after then keep the carbs on the lower side.
 
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I find trest is pretty carb hungry, so if its size you are after eat more fast carbs like white rice.. last thing you want is a ton of slow carbs in your belly while on trest!! the bloat is brutal. if its the recomp effects you are after then keep the carbs on the lower side.
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Thanks brother. Yeah I was going in just looking to gain as much as I can. I'm already around 20 body fat, so I am not overly worried about fat right now obviously ha. But I'm eating 3400 ish a day and hitting 300-400 carbs a day. I think if I can continue as I have so far I should be fairly happy at the end.
 
Jm88888 said:
-I did calculations earlier today based on my weight and body fat measurement:
Day 1: 197.8lbs 20% BF
158.24 LBM
39.56 Fat

Day 8 199.8 lbs 19% BF
161.84 LBM
37.96 fat

If calculations are correct I gained 3.6 lbs LBM and lost 1.6 lbs fat. I understand likely some of the gains are water. First week maybe a large amount are, but still this encouraging. Plus, I know I could easily mis measure by a millimeter. :). But I'll keep measuring weekly and report back.
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Good stuff right here keep it goin
 
No sweat. But I used to get beat, where I was passing out at 930. Now, I have to tell myself to go to bed. Which I don't love, BTW. I like getting that kind of tired, haha.
 
Week 2 Day 2
(Day 9)
200.2 lbs

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
6000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest preworkout
5 mg LGD preworkout
2 scoops BCAA


Effects
-mood is very good

Diet
3543 calories
291 grams protein
368 grams carbs
109 grams fat

Training
Back Squats
135x5
170x5
205x3
240x3
270x3
305x3 (3 min rest)
305x3 (3 min rest)
305x3 (4 min rest(
305x3 (4 min rest)
305x3

Front Squat 2 min rest
135x12
135x10
135x8
135x7

4 inch deficit SLDL 2 minute rest
185x12
185x10
185x8
185x6

DB Lunges 1 minute rest tried being careful as I believe this caused the adductor strain
35x12
35x12
35x8
35x6

Weighted Sit-up 1 min rest
25x12
25x10
25x8
25x7
 
Week 2 Day 3
(Day 10)
201.8

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
6000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest 5p
5 mg LGD 5p

Effects
-very vivid dreams again. (2nd instance)

Diet
3606 calories
265 grams protein
340 grams carbs
143 grams fat

Training
Off
 
Week 2 Day 4
(Day 11)
201 lbs

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
6000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest pre workout
5 mg LGD preworkout
12.5 mg AI (exem) going to increase AI next dose to 25 mg EOD. Still feel a bit of tenderness...

Effects
-some discomfort in nipple, going to up dose of AI to 12.5 mg everyday. See what the outcome is in a couple days. Hopefully paranoia...


Diet
3600 calories
319 grams Protein
391 grams Carbs
90 grams Fat


Training
Overhead press
60x5
70x5
85x3
100x3
115x3
130x3 (3 min rest)
130x3(3 min rest)
130x3 (3 min rest)
130x3 (4 min rest)
130x3

Seated DB press
45x12
45x10
45x8
45x6

Side lateral 1 min rest
15x12
15x12
15x9
15x8

Ez curl
75x12
75x10
75x8
75x6

Ez preacher curl 1 min rest
60x8
55x8
55x8
50x12
 
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Considering throwing in MK-677 for 12 weeks. So I would get it in for the final 6 weeks of this cycle, then throughout pct, and then 2 weeks post pct. Please let me here your thoughts? Thanks
 
Week 2 Day 5
(Day 12)
202.6

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
6000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest pre workout
5 mg LGD preworkout
12.5 mg AI (exem)

Effects



Diet
3576 calories
316 grams protein
365 grams carbs
98 grams fat



Training

Deadlift
145x5
180x5
215x3
250x3
290x3
325x3
325x3
325x3 4 min rest
325x3 4 min rest
325x3

Chin ups
10
10
8
6

DB Rows 2 min rest
70x12
70x10
70x10
70x10

Good Morning 2 min rest
115x12
115x12
115x10
115x8

Weighted Sit Ups
35x12
35x10
35x8
35x6
 
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How's the libido been since upping the trest? My libido fell off and I thought it was due to not having enough of a base, I kept increasing the base when it was actually just high e2. Started exem and libido came back.
 
Libido was doing pretty good, as far as the will... However the ability to perform wasn't there yesterday. Feeling E2 really was elevating going into yesterday evening...
I did up to the 100 a day of trest about a week ago. I then started in on exem at 12.5 every 3rd day. Didn't really ever "feel" anything from it though. Then last night I noticed the nipple sensitivity, and it was the day I took 12.5 mg of AI. I took it again this morning, after I really shook it up, and it seems about 4 hours later that those early symptoms I was having are subsiding. I think my E2 was jazzed up too, and i am gonna stick with 12.5 everyday, atleadt for next couple days... To see how that goes. I want to find the "overdose" spot so I can dial back to the "sweet spot"... I'll be reporting back on this specifically, as this has now risen on the priority list over me "getting off" haha... I'm thinking and hoping that I didn't shake the solution and that allowed E2 to rise. I do have arimistane on hand too and according to Nutriverse, 75 mgs a day would be sufficient for 100 mgs of dermatrest. Understand I don't want to use that, but if my exemestane is bunk, I may need to dial back trest and go to arimistane....
 
I think you should get new exem asap. Supposedly arimistane does nothing for e2. It does lower cortisol though.
 
Yeah, well I have a feeling it's doing its job now, after increasing the dose. Sensitivity has been greatly reduced (nearly non existent) after the back to back 12.5 mg doses. I'll keep monitoring, but I would have expected progression of the symptoms if it wasn't legit.
 
Week 2 Day 6
(Day 13)
202.6

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
6000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest pre workout
5 mg LGD preworkout
12.5 mg AI (exem)

Effects
-Bloat is in effect as of last night, going to do some jogging and walking today to try to flush it
-12.5 mg exem ED seems to be doing the trick with any of nip issues

Diet
3618 calories
257 grams protein
340 grams carbs
142 grams fat


Training
30 minutes light jogging and walking
 
Yeah I'm gonna go back and look but I think my sodium vs potassium ratio was a bit off... Still gonna get out for a little cardio low intensity. I have my 1 rep max stuff starting on Wednesday. Thursday is squat day. I should be good.
 
Week 2 Day 7
(Day 14)
203.2

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
0 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest 6pm
5 mg LGD 6pm
12.5 mg AI (exem)

Effects



Diet
3651 calories
252 grams protein
339 grams carbs
149 grams fat


Training
Off
 
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Jm88888 said:
Considering throwing in MK-677 for 12 weeks. So I would get it in for the final 6 weeks of this cycle, then throughout pct, and then 2 weeks post pct. Please let me here your thoughts? Thanks
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It certainly won't hurt anything and it will help with any bloating. It's what I noticed from it. Sleep quality was pretty great too and it increased my appetite a bit.
 
Week 3 Day 1
(Day 15)
202.2
Body fat 20.7


Total gain/loss
LBM +3.2lbs
Fat +1lbs

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
0 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 mg fish oil
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest preworkout
5 mg LGD preworkout
12.5 mg AI (exem)

Effects



Diet
3620 calories
315 grams protein
290 grams carbs
137 grams fat


Training
Bench Press
90x5
115x5
140x3
175x3
195x1
220x1
230x1
240x1
Screwed up here, I went for 255x1 and missed it, tried stripping it down to 245 and going for it again but I was tapped by this time. Rest of times testing I will be more careful to follow a protocol... It feel this should have been higher due to past performance just a couple months ago. I expected to be around 260 for a max

Dips 2 min rest
10x12
10x10
10x8
10x6

Dumbbell fly 2 min rest
40 ea x 12
40 ea x 7
35 ea x 8
35 ea x 6

Skull crusher 2 min rest
75x12
75x10
75x8
75x6

Push up 1 min rest
20
10
10
10
 
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Getting rid of the sets of main lift. Going back to standard 531 with AMRAP set up.. Easier to keep pushing strength gains, and more motivation. Feel like the 1 rep week 3 times is wasteful... I'll make up for the lack in volume on bench and OHP days with some downsets work around 70% of TM to get the missing volume in...
 
Week 3 Day 2
(Day 16)
202.2 lbs

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
0 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
0 mg fish oil (need more)
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest preworkout
5 mg LGD preworkout
12.5 mg AI (exem)

Effects



Diet
3615 calories
315 grams protein
328 grams carbs
122 grams fat


Training
Back Squat
135x5
170x5
205x3
255x5
290x3
325x9

Front Squat 2 min rest
145x12
145x10
145x8
145x6

Deficit SLDL 4" 2 min rest
195x12
195x10
195x8
195x6

Skipped lunges it flares up the adductor. Maybe next week I'll add it in.

Weighted sit up 1 min rest
35x12
35x12
35x8
35x6
 
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Week 3 Day 3
(Day 17)
202.6 lbs

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
0 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
0 mg fish oil (need more)
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest 5pm
5 mg LGD 5pm
12.5 mg AI (exem)

Effects



Diet
3898 calories
262 grams protein
383 grams carbs
151 grams fat


Training
Off.
 
2 PR's today
OHP rep PR 5 reps @ 140
OHP 155 lbs PR @ 1 rep

Week 3 Day 4
(Day 18)
202.6 lbs

50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
0 mg fish oil (need more)
1 mg CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest pre workout
5 mg LGD pre workout
12.5 mg AI (exem)

Effects



Diet
3814 calories
322 grams protein
292 grams carbs
143 grams fat


Training
Overhead press
60x5
70x5
85x3
110x5
125x3
140x5 (5 rep PR) 3 min rest from here on
145x1
150x1
155x1 (1 rep PR)

Dumbbell overhead press 2 min rest
45 ea x 12
45 ea x 12
45 ea x 8
45 ea x 6

Side lateral 2 min rest
15x12
15x12
15x10
15x7

Ez curl wide grip 2 min rest
80x12
80x10
80x8
80x6

Ez preacher curl narrow grip min rest
55x12
55x12
55x12
55x12
 
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your weight really came to a stop but I assume you are getting leaner by the day now too so... over all how do you like it so far and hows the libido at this point?
 
Yeah weight just stopped at around 202. When I measured BF Wednesday it seemed to be at what it was since I started. So so far up 3.5 lbs LBM and up 1lbs fat. Ok for first 2 weeks in my opinion. But this morning I felt a bit leaner, it's hard for me tho, cause I'm in that area where I can barely see upper 2 ab muscles if I really try. I'm upping cake to around 3800 to 4000. I'm really surprised weight isn't moving at 3600.
I finally felt like I got estrogen sides under control early this week. Dialing in the dose of RC Aromasyn to 12.5 ED. My mood is good, everything seems in line. Im liking it so far, but it's nothing crazy, so far...
Looking for rep PRs daily here in out though, as I am back on AMRAP. See how this finishes up, but my waist has shrunk maybe half an inch or 1/4 inch sense starting and I'm up 4 lbs in 2.5 weeks
 
Deadlift rep PR @ 340 lbs for 11 reps

Week 3 Day 5
(Day 19)
202 lbs


50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 gram fish oil (need more)
1 gram CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest pre workout
5 mg LGD pre workout
12.5 mg AI (exem) morning
1 scoop amino

Effects
-Feeling strong across the board
-feeling bigger in shirts waist not moving, weight hasn't been moving.
-jumping up to 3800-4000 calories a day


Diet
4055 calories
307 grams protein
332 grams carbs
172 grams fat


Training

Deadlift
145x5
180x5
215x3
270x5
305x3
340x11 (rep PR at 340. Previous was 9 rep)
360x1
380x1
395x1

Dumbbell row
75 ea x 12 (4 sets 2 min rest)

Chin up 2 min rest. Put this behind rows again
10
8
6
5

Good Morning 2 min rest
125x12
125x10
125x8
125x6

Sit up 2 min rest
45x12
45x10
45x8
45x6
 
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Huge weight jump in 24 hours

Week 3 Day 6
(Day 20)
204.8


50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 gram fish oil (need more)
1 gram CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest 6pm
5 mg LGD 6pm
12.5 mg AI (exem) morning


Effects
-huge weight jump this morning. Jumped 4 lbs since yesterday


Diet
3488 calories
252 grams protein
318 grams carbs
135 grams fat


Training
Off
 
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Jm88888 said:
Huge weight jump in 24 hours

Week 3 Day 6
(Day 20)
206.2


50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 gram fish oil (need more)
1 gram CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest 6pm
5 mg LGD 6pm
12.5 mg AI (exem) morning


Effects
-huge weight jump this morning. Jumped 4 lbs since yesterday


Diet
Calorie goal today 3400-3600


Training
Off, will get in some sprints this evening
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That's a nice and random increase! Is the increase visual not the mirror? Log is looking great sir!
 
Jm88888 said:
Huge weight jump in 24 hours

Week 3 Day 6
(Day 20)
206.2


50 mg Dermatrest morning
5 mg LGD morning
50 mg zinc morning
2000 iu vitamin d oil
1 gram fish oil (need more)
1 gram CLA
1 multi vitamin Optimen
50 mg Dermatrest 6pm
5 mg LGD 6pm
12.5 mg AI (exem) morning


Effects
-huge weight jump this morning. Jumped 4 lbs since yesterday


Diet
Calorie goal today 3400-3600


Training
Off, will get in some sprints this evening
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Trest with lgd seems to be working well Nice job keep it rollin
 
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