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47 year old male with low T...need help

OP, good advice in here for you. Don't fear the advice of reps in these forums. Reps are hand picked from outstanding AM members. All the reps I've dealt with have given me good advice and, best of all, their advice actually worked.

ZMA products have worked as far as sleep goes.
 
I don't think TRT is covered under insurance anyway. Could always get a transdermal T booster like dermacrine and use that as TRT. I've read about a few people doing that

I think you are right about the meds, but I'm pretty sure it would cover the visit the the doc though.
 
For sleep aids, I'm looking at some time released melatonin, ZMA (or Zinc and Magnesium separate), maybe some Valerian root, and maybe some Fu'u or Soloman Islands Kava Kava. Good options?
 
I don't think TRT is covered under insurance anyway. Could always get a transdermal T booster like dermacrine and use that as TRT. I've read about a few people doing that

Some insurance plans do in fact cover TRT.

OP, good advice in here for you. Don't fear the advice of reps in these forums. Reps are hand picked from outstanding AM members. All the reps I've dealt with have given me good advice and, best of all, their advice actually worked.

ZMA products have worked as far as sleep goes.

I frequently use ZMA as well and get sick less when I'm using it. I love ZMA

I think you are right about the meds, but I'm pretty sure it would cover the visit the the doc though.
Call your insurance company you might be surprised. Low T is now looked upon as a medical condition and is treated as such by insurance.
For sleep aids, I'm looking at some time released melatonin, ZMA (or Zinc and Magnesium separate), maybe some Valerian root, and maybe some Fu'u or Soloman Islands Kava Kava. Good options?

Those are all good places to start. I personally use ZMA, melatonin (not time released), theanine, 5htp (occasionally during times of high work load), and have had success with V Root in the past. Most importantly look into sleep hygiene just Google search it.

You can also try some white noise. When I'm at the fire station I use a white noise app called rainy day that works pretty well.

No disrespect was taken I just wanted to let you know that we're here to help man. We're not car salesman ;)
 
Spaniard, unfortunately I won't have insurance until mid July because of the stupid 90 day probation period at a new job.

I'm thinking about ordering the Male Ultimate Anti-Aging Panel from
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just so I have results and can post here.
Does that test cover what I need?
Any other places I can purchase something like this that does have everything I need?
 
White noise was a terrible movie....it will surely put you to sleep.
 
Lol Montego1...I've used a fan forever for white noise...mainly so I don't hear stuff from outside...so that's already been done.
 
So I guess what everyone is saying is to get my sleep straightened out (not sure a plan for that yet...I'll try a very low dose melatonin, some zinc, and some magnesium). So there's no way to raise my test naturally? From the research I'm doing, I know I need some more Vitamin D3 and some more EFA's...I know I need to start lifting heavy as well (I haven't even started back to the gym yet...going tomorrow...but I have been exercising for a few weeks)...I know I have been living a sedentary lifestyle the past five years...so changing my diet a little bit with more red meats and strength training won't get me producing higher test levels? And supps can't enhance that more? I was hoping to not have to take Test the rest of my life...or at least postpone it...Spaniard, thebigT, anyone else have some thoughts on my logic or am I deluding myself...Reps please don't just push your products, I just want straight up advice...if they have any merit from non-reps, I MAY consider them...Thanks

As others have mentioned, zinc is a good thing to start taking. Many men are deficient in zinc. Also, get off the centrum silver. It's all coal tar derived vitamins, and is absorbed at less than 3%. I personally like life force by source naturals but, there are many multis that will help. Centrum is just throwing your money away.

When you were tested for test levels, did they do an estrogen serum level as well. Test and estrogen are antagonistic hormones in the body. For test to be high, estrogen needs to be low. You need to attack this both directions. I've been fighting this battle for almost a year myself. I'm only 28, and had severe estrogen dominance issues. I think I have a genetic predisposition to high estrogen levels. My dads current estrogen levels are in the 390's. Which is the very top of the scale. His dad, my grandfather, died of prostate cancer which is an estrogen dominant cancer.

I feel 100% different now than I did when I started this journey, and I've done it 100% naturally. There are three main focuses to getting your levels in check. First is weight loss, fat produces more aromataise which is the hormone that converts test into estrogen. You need to clean your diet up, and get on some diet stuff to help. I currently stack oxyelite pro, green coffee bean extract and I take a white kidney bean extract to block carbs along with clean diet. In 3 months I'm down 35lbs.

Second is blocking/ removing estrogen. You need to start taking aromataise inhibitors. DIM is the one I currently use. I take natures way DIM plus, and it seems to work the best out of the types I've tried. Also zinc acts as an aromataise inhibitor, and is a key building block in test production. Make sure it's a chelated form, so it actually absorbs. I'm currently taking twin lab zinc 30mg. Make sure you don't exceed 50mg a day from all sources combined, so make sure what your multi has +your supplemental zinc is less than 50.

Make sure all supplements are from reputable sources. Throw away anything from a Walgreens, or target or Walmart. It needs to come from a supplement store, GNC at the very least but stay away from GNC brand stuff. Or go on iherb.com and read reviews.

Lastly is increasing test. I saved this until last, and have only started it. I only take long jack for this. Source naturals tongkat Ali. Whatever tongkat you get, make sure it's at least 100:1 potency.

Try all that stuff, and you should start feeling better within a few months. Perhaps you will need to go an anabolic route, which admittedly I have little knowledge of. This is the reason I'm here, to learn more about that stuff should I choose to get into it for a muscle boost. I've set a goal to look better at 30 than I did at 20. I'm close to achieving that now, but truthfully I want to get ripped.
 
#1. trt is definately covered by insurance...at 2 packs a day androgel would run me around $800 a month!!!


if you are hesitant about going on trt...one thing i have seen tried with some success is clomid to jumpstart test production, if i remember correctly i think it was a 4-6 week program. there is good info on clomid raising test levels at pubmed.

if considering clomid, it is relatively cheap and easy to find...but i would definately set aside money to have bloods done frequently!!!
 
Now I know why no one responded to my question about "am I getting the right tests?"...the link goes to nothing, lol. Here's a copy paste of what's in the test...
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Description: The Ultimate Anti-Aging Panel contains the following tests:
-Lipid Profile
-Complete Blood Count w/ Differential
-Estradiol
-Hemoglobin A1c
-Cardiac C-Reactive Protein Test, High Sensitivity
-Insulin Growth Factor (IGF-1)
-Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
-Gamma Glutamyl Transpeptidase (GGT)
-Insulin, Fasting
-Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
-Luteinizing Hormone(LH)
-Testosterone, Serum
-Sex Hormone binding Globulin, Serum
-Urinalysis, Routine
-Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)
-Magnesium, Serum
-Thyroxine (T4) Free, Direct
-Iron, Serum w/ TIBC
-Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate (DHEA)

Significant deviations from the normal range may require further evaluation by your physician.

Includes: Cholesterol, total; high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol; low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (calculation); triglycerides; very low-density lipoprotein (VLDL) cholesterol (calculation); Hematocrit; hemoglobin; mean corpuscular volume (MCV); mean corpuscular hemoglobin (MCH); mean corpuscular hemoglobin concentration (MCHC); red cell distribution width (RDW); percentage and absolute differential counts; platelet count; red cell count; white blood cell count; Estradiol, serum; Hemoglobin (Hgb) A1c; Cardiac C-Reactive Protein, High Sensitivity; IGF-1; Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH);Gamma Glutamyl Transpeptidase (GGT); Insulin; A:G ratio; albumin, serum; alkaline phosphatase, serum; ALT (SGPT); AST (SGOT); bilirubin, total; BUN; BUN:creatinine ratio; calcium, serum; carbon dioxide, total; chloride, serum; creatinine, serum; globulin, total; glucose, serum; potassium, serum; protein, total, serum; sodium, serum; Luteinizing Hormone(LH); Testosterone, Serum; Sex Hormone binding Globulin, serum; Color, appearance, specific gravity, pH, protein, glucose, ketones, occult blood, leukocyte esterase, nitrite, bilirubin, and urobilinogen. These tests are done on all routine urinalysis ordered and if protein, leukocyte, occult blood, nitrite, and turbidity are all negative, microscopic examination is not performed; just the above parameters are reported; Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH), serum; Magnesium, serum; Thyroxine (T4) Free, Direct; Percent of saturation, serum iron, total iron binding capacity, unsaturated iron binding capacity; Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate (DHEA).

Will this cover what I need?
 
#1. trt is definately covered by insurance...at 2 packs a day androgel would run me around $800 a month!!!

if you are hesitant about going on trt...one thing i have seen tried with some success is clomid to jumpstart test production, if i remember correctly i think it was a 4-6 week program. there is good info on clomid raising test levels at pubmed.

if considering clomid, it is relatively cheap and easy to find...but i would definately set aside money to have bloods done frequently!!!

Ok maybe standard trt is covered by some insurance plans but definitely not trt that includes a cocktail of hormones like GH, HCG, anavar, etc. I live in Florida so those are the kinds of TRT I see
 
Some tips on how to increase t etc, unfortunately I couldnt post link to relevant studys
stuff like sleep, diet,training, daa, zink, magnesium have already been mentioned

Garlic
A study done on rats showed an increase in t, garlic caps are cheap as f**k and could also have some other positive Health benefits


Bcaa
A study showed increased t when taken first thing in the morning, it should also be taken post and during workout as studys showed that it will protect your muscles, more muscles means more t


eat healthy fats,Olive oil converts cholesterol more easily into testosterone


caffeine pre workout will increase your t-levels atleast if youre a rugby player according to a study


eat plenty of cholesterol, cholesterol is a precursor to testosterone


eat loads of broccoli to reduce estrogen, broccoli is absorbed better then dim in tablet form


Protein breakfast is an anabolic breakfast according to a study


sunbath in the summer for vitamin-d, supplement during the Winter, studys show a link between vitamin-d and t


dont drink alcohol as it decerases testosterone


l-carnitine could increase free testosterone


drink red wine for reservatol


avoid soy, licorice and grapefruit and other estrogenic foods


dont train for more then 1 hour at a time, longer workouts decreases t levels
 
Some tips on how to increase t etc, unfortunately I couldnt post link to relevant studys
stuff like sleep, diet,training, daa, zink, magnesium have already been mentioned

Garlic
A study done on rats showed an increase in t, garlic caps are cheap as f**k and could also have some other positive Health benefits

Bcaa
A study showed increased t when taken first thing in the morning, it should also be taken post and during workout as studys showed that it will protect your muscles, more muscles means more t

eat healthy fats,Olive oil converts cholesterol more easily into testosterone

caffeine pre workout will increase your t-levels atleast if youre a rugby player according to a study

eat plenty of cholesterol, cholesterol is a precursor to testosterone

eat loads of broccoli to reduce estrogen, broccoli is absorbed better then dim in tablet form

Protein breakfast is an anabolic breakfast according to a study

sunbath in the summer for vitamin-d, supplement during the Winter, studys show a link between vitamin-d and t

dont drink alcohol as it decerases testosterone

l-carnitine could increase free testosterone

drink red wine for reservatol

avoid soy, licorice and grapefruit and other estrogenic foods

dont train for more then 1 hour at a time, longer workouts decreases t levels

The only problem is it would take over two pounds of broccoli to equal ONE DIM tablet. No one is going to come close to therapeutic amounts by eating cruciferous vegetables. The DIM I recommended was in capsule form and I've noticed a difference over the source naturals I've been taking.

The healthy fats thing is a good idea to remind me of though, thanks. I'm going to take some fish oil right now as a matter of fact. The highest source of "good fats" AKA omega 3's is fish oil. Make sure it's cold pressed as fish oil is a very heat sensitive oil and will go rancid easily.
 
The only problem is it would take over two pounds of broccoli to equal ONE DIM tablet. No one is going to come close to therapeutic amounts by eating cruciferous vegetables. The DIM I recommended was in capsule form and I've noticed a difference over the source naturals I've been taking.

The healthy fats thing is a good idea to remind me of though, thanks. I'm going to take some fish oil right now as a matter of fact. The highest source of "good fats" AKA omega 3's is fish oil. Make sure it's cold pressed as fish oil is a very heat sensitive oil and will go rancid easily.

you probably already know this but for those who don't.

when you open a new bottle of fish oil poke a hole in a cap and smell..if it is foul smelling it could be rancid-return it.

i always refrigerate my fish oil after opening bottle!!!
 
you probably already know this but for those who don't.

when you open a new bottle of fish oil poke a hole in a cap and smell..if it is foul smelling it could be rancid-return it.

i always refrigerate my fish oil after opening bottle!!!

Yup always refrigerate it after opening. There are some that are temperature stabilized though. Like vectomega. I personally take Carlson's which needs refrigeration after opening.
 
Yup always refrigerate it after opening. There are some that are temperature stabilized though. Like vectomega. I personally take Carlson's which needs refrigeration after opening.

the walmart stuff works for fish oil, very cheap and decent quality...krill oil is another story, for some reason it is very expensive even at places like walmart, much better prices online!!!
 
avoid soy, licorice and grapefruit and other estrogenic foods
interesting list there, couple points not entirely accurate

i'll only concern myself with grapefruit here: there is conflicting views as well as studies on this; grapefruit is not estrogenic, yet shows to inhibit enzymes that control estrogen..anyway, this is only a concern for those with enlarged breasts, ie gyno or moobs, who have an existing issue with estrogen..there are also a host of benefits with consumption of grapefruit - along those same lines the cytochrome p450 enzyme (which is responsible for some of the estrogenic activity among other hormonal responses) is inhibited and has long been used by some guys to increase the absorption of PHs and other hormonal products..can cut both ways, because as a result it also can make Rx drugs more potent to the body..a host of other benefits, very interesting stuff

I've eaten a shyte-ton of grapefruit over the last 10yrs - srs, most times 5x a week for breakfast..
no issues whatsoever, here

soy however, I will agree all males should avoid - tho here as well, you will see conflicting viewpoints/studies again..

it would still be my advice, as our exposure to estrogenic sources (xeno estrogens, phtyo estrogens - environmental estrogens) IMO no doubt impact our test level, and it gets worse all the time
 
The only problem is it would take over two pounds of broccoli to equal ONE DIM tablet. No one is going to come close to therapeutic amounts by eating cruciferous vegetables. The DIM I recommended was in capsule form and I've noticed a difference over the source naturals I've been taking.

I usually order supplements from puritan, would you recomend any brand of dim, thinking about trying it out
 
personally I think the majority of fish oil that sits on chain store shelves (walmart Meijer etc) is rancid

as a rule...i put a hole in a cap and smell before using. i have only had to take 1 bottle back out of lets just say a hundred. rancid fish oil is like any other oil when it turns rancid...very foul smelling, it's not hard to recognise-trust me, lol.
 
I usually order supplements from puritan, would you recomend any brand of dim, thinking about trying it out
nothing from puritan, that's for sure :D

as a rule...i put a hole in a cap and smell before using. i have only had to take 1 bottle back out of lets just say a hundred. rancid fish oil is like any other oil when it turns rancid...very foul smelling, it's not hard to recognise-trust me, lol.
indeed
I like barlean's myself..can never go wrong there
 
OP check these out in regards to Clomid

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I usually order supplements from puritan, would you recomend any brand of dim, thinking about trying it out

I've taken both source naturals in tablet form, and natures way's enhanced absorption one. I felt more results on the natures way alone, but I've felt the best results taking one dose of each per day. Weird, but it seems to work the best.
 
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