zenstinkfist
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Thanks,
So if my Estrogen is High and causing my issue would I just need to take something like erase pro or do they have something prescribed that fixes an issue like that?
41 lacking Libido, erection strength and sexual endurance....Help
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So if my Estrogen is High and causing my issue would I just need to take something like erase pro or do they have something prescribed that fixes an issue like that?
EasyEJL
Never enough
theres a few different prescription drugs that could help. There are different drugs for many different scenarios, thats why identifying the scenario is so important as any treatment can have side effects and there is no point to chasing circles of libido up then down again
vassille
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E2 is estrogen. LH is signal from pituitary to make more test.
Desire is related to the test level and free test level. When my test is out of range the desire totally goes away but comes back once the test level is in range once again. Dopamine is also a contribuitor to desire which is more active with higher test.
As for the other symptoms, losing hair is genetic and it has more to do with the receptors being ultra sensitive than anything. But it has little to do with test levels. If the DHT is causing this not much you can do.
Free test is what you want to see going up. If it's low there are 2 ways to rectify it:
1. Either there is something binding to it taking it away from other uses
2. Your body just doesnt produce enough to keep up with usage.
So, def look up into estrogen and LH, DHT, Thyroid..even progesterone. It doesnt seem to me, that your levels are off by much and could just be a end result from just aging, or may be food or sleep.
Desire is related to the test level and free test level. When my test is out of range the desire totally goes away but comes back once the test level is in range once again. Dopamine is also a contribuitor to desire which is more active with higher test.
As for the other symptoms, losing hair is genetic and it has more to do with the receptors being ultra sensitive than anything. But it has little to do with test levels. If the DHT is causing this not much you can do.
Free test is what you want to see going up. If it's low there are 2 ways to rectify it:
1. Either there is something binding to it taking it away from other uses
2. Your body just doesnt produce enough to keep up with usage.
So, def look up into estrogen and LH, DHT, Thyroid..even progesterone. It doesnt seem to me, that your levels are off by much and could just be a end result from just aging, or may be food or sleep.
zenstinkfist
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Just a quick update, I'm still waiting to see my DR and get some more test done. I will post the results once I get them.
zenstinkfist
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Hi Guys, I'm going to be getting some more blood work done. LH,FSH,Prolactin, Estrogens total soon. I'm also going to see an Endo end of December. I have changed up my diet a bit to see if that helps. I have added 2-4 whole eggs a day and also added some coconut oil too. I added some Sardines a couple times a week as well. Not sure if this will help but it will at least add some more good fats to my diet. I also take fish oil and CLA.
swollz
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Dude how is your diet?? Have you tried natural ****? If you question prolactin smash 400mg of b6 a day morning and night... Also any dhea or Trib? And ill tell ya what if you're stressed and lacking sleep... Forget about it... Sleep was huge for me... Going to bed at 12 and getting up at 5 not good... I started going to bed at 10 and started waking up with hard ons which are great to poke with in middle of night... Good luck bro
zenstinkfist
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Thanks for the advice, I will try some b6 do you take a total of 800mg a day or split that into 200mg 2x a day?
I feel like I eat pretty clean for the most part. I try to go organic on most things. I eat Chicken, Eggs, Egg Whites, grass fed beef 1-2 times a month. Ezekiel Low sodium bread, quinoa, brown rice, avocados, sweet potatoes, apples, red grapefruit, almonds, walnuts, natural peanut butter, walnut oil and avocado oil in salads. Coconut oil. Sardines, Macha green tea daily, coffee, water Natural protein powders. Multi vitamins, cla, green tea, BCAA's
I may have 1 cheat day a week and one day I may have some beers but other than that I think I eat well. Maybe not??? I don't take dhea at the moment or Trib. I'm waiting to take DAA and the other sups listed in this thread until I get all the tests done and some answers from the DR's. I am dying to try them but I know I should wait so I don't mess up the tests etc...
I feel like I eat pretty clean for the most part. I try to go organic on most things. I eat Chicken, Eggs, Egg Whites, grass fed beef 1-2 times a month. Ezekiel Low sodium bread, quinoa, brown rice, avocados, sweet potatoes, apples, red grapefruit, almonds, walnuts, natural peanut butter, walnut oil and avocado oil in salads. Coconut oil. Sardines, Macha green tea daily, coffee, water Natural protein powders. Multi vitamins, cla, green tea, BCAA's
I may have 1 cheat day a week and one day I may have some beers but other than that I think I eat well. Maybe not??? I don't take dhea at the moment or Trib. I'm waiting to take DAA and the other sups listed in this thread until I get all the tests done and some answers from the DR's. I am dying to try them but I know I should wait so I don't mess up the tests etc...
swollz
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Sounds like your on my cut diet... Good for you there... Red meats are still a ? But if organic I suppose in moderation.... Also there is great herbal tonics out there bro... I had complete shutdown after test propionate cycle once... I was freaking!! Look up prolatis... Really good herbal with key tongkat Ali aka long jack.... Asian Viagra stuff is good... Also keep you bcaas up and what not... How's your prostate? I know your 40 so are you taking anything(saw palm) I run it at 35... And do try more sleep as hard as it is in this day in age... Hope all goes well... I wanna bang holes till I can't Lmfao
swollz
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Looked at threads above... Lol that was me bro... Ran clomid and nolva Bam done... And still do all other nattys... I made appt but bounced and thank god... They are all right lh and estro an prolactin could all be issue but stuff you need is out there man... Your not unfixable. Dude run a good pct that will get your test lvls up... I'd be shocked if you ate those pros and didn't have full hard on... Also that one a day extenze is herbal with dhea in it... Not sure if longjack is though
zenstinkfist
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Yeah, I'm going to go along with the Dr's at this point and wait to start the sups I have and stated in this thread. I don't want to throw off my results with the Dr's. Once I know what's going on then I will start those natty sups and kill it LOL. At least I hope so haha. I also had an ultrasound done on my nuts to see if anything was abnormal. Everything came back normal there and there is no cancer too!! Thank god 
So my next step will be to see an Endo and have them check me out. After that I wont know what else to do other than run those sups. As far as my prostate I think it's good, I have a physical in December and will get it checked then. But the last time I checked it was good. I take a multi that has saw palm in it.
What is a good PCT? I think the sups I'm going to take are included in some PCT's correct? I look at the sups I have everyday and just want to start taking them haha but I know I can't. But it's so tempting like the "Big Red" button Ren and Stimpy want to push when they have the "SPACE MADNESS"!!
LMFAO
So my next step will be to see an Endo and have them check me out. After that I wont know what else to do other than run those sups. As far as my prostate I think it's good, I have a physical in December and will get it checked then. But the last time I checked it was good. I take a multi that has saw palm in it. What is a good PCT? I think the sups I'm going to take are included in some PCT's correct? I look at the sups I have everyday and just want to start taking them haha but I know I can't. But it's so tempting like the "Big Red" button Ren and Stimpy want to push when they have the "SPACE MADNESS"!!
LMFAO
EasyEJL
Never enough
Be careful with this. If the b6 source is pyridoxine hcl, 600mg a day has shown long lasting nerve damage in some people in as little as 2 months (though it usually takes more like 6) and doses even just up to 200mg have been shown over 6 month spans to cause nerve damage. If you get the b6 from P-5-P that isn't the case, there have been no cases of nerve damage.
zenstinkfist
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Thanks EasyEJL, I use opti-Men for a multi. It has 50mg of b6 but it is from prodoxine hcl. I will stick with that for now.
zenstinkfist
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OK got some more results back. Here they are, the one that stands out to me is the Estrogen Total.
Prolactin = 10.1
LH = 3.03
Follicle stim. Hormone = 6.20
Estrogen Total = 132.7
The normal ranges for Estrogen Total for adults is 40-115 I'm well above that. Could this be my issue?
Prolactin = 10.1
LH = 3.03
Follicle stim. Hormone = 6.20
Estrogen Total = 132.7
The normal ranges for Estrogen Total for adults is 40-115 I'm well above that. Could this be my issue?
vassille
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As I stated in my other post, E2 high LH low. Now you have proof. You need to bring that E2 way down. THe E2 works as negative feedback to the LH. Get the E2 down into the 20s and then LH will go up and so will your tesotsterone levels.
zenstinkfist
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Thanks, but how do I go about doing that? I still have more apointments with DR's I am going to see and Endo in a couple of weeks along with my primary DR and the Urologist. LOL I'm sick of the DR's office haha.
vassille
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,
Question is why is your E2 so high?...As for treatment is simple arimidex .5 -1mg a week for few weeks then retest.
zenstinkfist
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That's the million dollar ? I have no idea, I have felt bad for years now and this was the first year I really decided to look into it. I started to feel my libido and sex drive slipping away about 8-9 years ago but didn't really think much about it. But as years went on I knew something was off. So here I am. I'm glad that we may have found out what my issue could be. Now to treat it. I hope the DR's point me in the right direction.
What could cause your E2 to be so high? Diet, age? I have no idea.
vassille
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I would start with diet and your job.
Do you eat soy or some unusual diet?
Do you work with substances or chemicals that can convert to estrogen?
It is also possible that you have a genetic predisposition to convert testosterone into estrogen rather easily. Arimidex will block that enzyme from accomplishing this process.
Age has nothing to do with it.
zenstinkfist
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I used to eat soy but not anymore. It's been about a year or so since I stoped eating soy products. My diet isn't unusal, I drink a lot of green tea and take some green tea sups but not sure if that has anything to do with it. My job, I'm a Database Administrator so that could be in
. Just kidding.vassille
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Haha that could be..lol
sometimes it is possible the body is just stuck in a bad loop. I would def start taking arimidex and get that E2 lower and let your body start working normal again to produce testosterone. Meanwhile trace your steps from years ago what possibly could have happened and you started to feel off.
Something is making your body produce all this E2 just cant put my finger on it right now.
sometimes it is possible the body is just stuck in a bad loop. I would def start taking arimidex and get that E2 lower and let your body start working normal again to produce testosterone. Meanwhile trace your steps from years ago what possibly could have happened and you started to feel off.
Something is making your body produce all this E2 just cant put my finger on it right now.
zenstinkfist
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Yeah I can't think that far back or don't know of anything that changed. I guess I will see what the dr's say. I hope they feel the same way you do. And try to get my E2 down.
zenstinkfist
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LOL I have boobs man!! LOL NO but I have noticed some bloat LOL I will see what the dr's say this month. I wan't to take care of this the right way and fix it once and for all. I still want to take my DAA and Erase etc.. But will wait for the dr's first.
rodney 3000
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I used to eat soy but not anymore. It's been about a year or so since I stoped eating soy products. My diet isn't unusal, I drink a lot of green tea and take some green tea sups but not sure if that has anything to do with it. My job, I'm a Database Administrator so that could be in
Stumbled on this thread looking for help with estrogen... you are not alone... I think the green tea may be upping your e2. Once I started drinking green tea my estrogen went up. I tried erase a long time ago but it didn't seem to be strong enough... Im gonna try erase pro. hopefully that will help and not kill sex drive.
rodney 3000
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sorry for the noob question but what is f test?
zenstinkfist
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Yeah I drink about 5-8 cups of Matcha Green tea a day. The health benefits are awesome but maybe it's only ment for women? I don't want to stop drinking it due to the amazing qualities of it.
Blingzip
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I'm truly a Noob when it comes to all this stuff. But following this thread I have only seen one suggestion to also look at your training and life overall. You've stated that stress is up, so maybe you would want to look at your workouts? I think you said you do 5 days a week? What are your workouts like? I'm guessing you do a one bodypart-per day split? How *intense* are your workouts AND what's the *VOLUME* like? I know when I'm under stress I just don't seem to tolerate high-volume workouts well at all. And we all know -I believe- that high-volume workouts can increase cortisol -which will also decrease Test AND libido (can't recall if you had tested cortisol -did you??). Are you also doing cardio? If so, how much? How long? How frequent and how intense? Cardio could be additional "volume" in terms of overall workout stress.
Not an expert at all, still trying to figure my own self out trying to "fix" my own physique. But in addition to other measures perhaps you could look at your workouts and see how they fit into your *overall* stress; and maybe modify them somehow. I don't know; but perhaps less frequent workouts, but doing more bodyparts in each workout? (e.g. chest and sh's one day, instead of a chest day and a shoulder day...) Shorter, intense workouts -with appropriate rest days in-between? Maybe dropping "isolation" exercises and just sticking with the "compound" exercises, so that you reduce overall volume -but might help to boost Test (and maybe libido) as well? Stuff like that. ALSO -and maybe I'll get "carded" for this -NOT ALWAYS TRAINING TO FAILURE. I've seen at least one study that showed a decrease in cortisol levels and improvement (or maybe it was maintenance?) in Test levels in guys who did NOT regularly train to failure; compared to guys who went regularly to failure, who had increased cortisol and decreased Test).
These will probably not help with Estrogen issues, but may help with overall "vitality" and of course libido. Maybe these things and also look into sleep quantity and quality. HAve you looked at ZMA for sleep? Not necessarily for Test boosting as many -myself included- don't feel it really helps with that, but it *may* help with sleep -which in turn can help with libido, morning wood, erection quality, etc.
Truth be told some of these things I'm suggesting I need to look into as well; particularly the sleep quality bit. Also I plan to buy coconut oil based on all these guys' recommendations. But maybe look into these things IN ADDITION to the other stuff. Good luck, and I look forward to hearing progress.
P.S. And For the record I used Erase as a standalone for about 2 weeks -mainly aiming to target cortisol but hopefully decrease Estro as well. Lost my libido, and somewhere along the line my nipples started itching -this happened to me yrs ago when I had tried DHEA, probably in too high a dose. Also from the DHEA ( I believe) I had seemed to have a particular pattern of bodyhair loss on the front of my thighs -can't explain it; but back in the summer for some reason this bodyhair grew back. Well I Took Erase -and the bodyhair loss occurred again. SOoooo...I'm not a fan of Erase....But I'm a Noob so........
Sorry for my long-winded (and First on this site) post. But I wish you Good luck bro!
Not an expert at all, still trying to figure my own self out trying to "fix" my own physique. But in addition to other measures perhaps you could look at your workouts and see how they fit into your *overall* stress; and maybe modify them somehow. I don't know; but perhaps less frequent workouts, but doing more bodyparts in each workout? (e.g. chest and sh's one day, instead of a chest day and a shoulder day...) Shorter, intense workouts -with appropriate rest days in-between? Maybe dropping "isolation" exercises and just sticking with the "compound" exercises, so that you reduce overall volume -but might help to boost Test (and maybe libido) as well? Stuff like that. ALSO -and maybe I'll get "carded" for this -NOT ALWAYS TRAINING TO FAILURE. I've seen at least one study that showed a decrease in cortisol levels and improvement (or maybe it was maintenance?) in Test levels in guys who did NOT regularly train to failure; compared to guys who went regularly to failure, who had increased cortisol and decreased Test).
These will probably not help with Estrogen issues, but may help with overall "vitality" and of course libido. Maybe these things and also look into sleep quantity and quality. HAve you looked at ZMA for sleep? Not necessarily for Test boosting as many -myself included- don't feel it really helps with that, but it *may* help with sleep -which in turn can help with libido, morning wood, erection quality, etc.
Truth be told some of these things I'm suggesting I need to look into as well; particularly the sleep quality bit. Also I plan to buy coconut oil based on all these guys' recommendations. But maybe look into these things IN ADDITION to the other stuff. Good luck, and I look forward to hearing progress.
P.S. And For the record I used Erase as a standalone for about 2 weeks -mainly aiming to target cortisol but hopefully decrease Estro as well. Lost my libido, and somewhere along the line my nipples started itching -this happened to me yrs ago when I had tried DHEA, probably in too high a dose. Also from the DHEA ( I believe) I had seemed to have a particular pattern of bodyhair loss on the front of my thighs -can't explain it; but back in the summer for some reason this bodyhair grew back. Well I Took Erase -and the bodyhair loss occurred again. SOoooo...I'm not a fan of Erase....But I'm a Noob so........
Sorry for my long-winded (and First on this site) post. But I wish you Good luck bro!
vassille
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Do a temporary experiment and stop drinking it for a month.
zenstinkfist
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Ok, I will give it a shot.
zenstinkfist
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OK, here is an update...
I went to see an Endocrinologist today. I'm not sure what to think of his advise but here it is. He said my Estrogen wasn't that high?? I was like what? Then he asked me what do I take, I told him milti-vitamins, fish oils etc... Then he asked about my protein shakes. I told him I have been taking them and I switched over to all natural shakes too. He told me that taking the milti and protein shakes are possibly my issue.
Really? He said that the shakes are bad for me and that I don't need a Milti and to stop them now. He said that we get to much nutrition and don't need a milti. He also went as far as saying that the protein shakes are bad for my bones and could be causing my hormone imbalance. I don't know how to take this. Seems crazy to me but he told me to stop taking everything for 3 months then we will retest. What do you guys think of his comments? I was in shock to be honest. He was a Chinese dude and wasn't born here that's for sure. I left there not very happy with his observations but may be jumping the gun. I go back to my Urologist next week. I will see what he thinks of my high estrogen. I personally think its way to high and don't think it's the protein shakes at all. Or my Milti vitamin.
I went to see an Endocrinologist today. I'm not sure what to think of his advise but here it is. He said my Estrogen wasn't that high?? I was like what? Then he asked me what do I take, I told him milti-vitamins, fish oils etc... Then he asked about my protein shakes. I told him I have been taking them and I switched over to all natural shakes too. He told me that taking the milti and protein shakes are possibly my issue.
Really? He said that the shakes are bad for me and that I don't need a Milti and to stop them now. He said that we get to much nutrition and don't need a milti. He also went as far as saying that the protein shakes are bad for my bones and could be causing my hormone imbalance. I don't know how to take this. Seems crazy to me but he told me to stop taking everything for 3 months then we will retest. What do you guys think of his comments? I was in shock to be honest. He was a Chinese dude and wasn't born here that's for sure. I left there not very happy with his observations but may be jumping the gun. I go back to my Urologist next week. I will see what he thinks of my high estrogen. I personally think its way to high and don't think it's the protein shakes at all. Or my Milti vitamin.
giftedrodgers
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WOW! thats news to me. never heard that about shakes before
zenstinkfist
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Yeah man, I was beside myself when he was saying this to me. He went as far as giving an example of NBA players and why they get stress fractures etc.. It was because they took protein shakes LOL. He said they are strong and have muscles but you can punch them and brake their bones LOL. What??? I didn't want to get in a verbal battle with this guy but I'm frustrated to say the least. I don't know how he thinks that my estrogen level of 132 is OK???
zenstinkfist
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Is that what your DR said to you? If so what did you do and did you resolve your issues?
jsals22
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Still in process going to see my 3rd endo in a month. Still ongoing. For some reason neither one of them seem to care that free est high low free test. Both seem to think that I'm relatively young nothing is wrong. Very adamant that I have no energy and no libido all they did was lower dose of synthroid. Its so discouraging to say the least that these doctors won't listen.
Need to find endo that listens I'm 30 years old diet very clean, train 5 days a week and don't drink smoke or do drugs.
Need to find endo that listens I'm 30 years old diet very clean, train 5 days a week and don't drink smoke or do drugs.
zenstinkfist
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I'm starting to feel your pain. This guy I saw was a quack in my opinion. I will do as he says but we're just wasting time imo. My diet is better than 90% of Americans. What are we to eat, seeds? I still can't believe that he said it's the protein shakes. I even switched to the all natural ones too...90% of my diet is organic as well. Unreal and I'm as frustrated as you. I hope my Urologists at least tries something. Giving the fact that I feel like crap and have no sex drive and oh look my estrogen is 132... Maybe it's the almonds I'm eating. Somehow my free test is being converted to Estrogen. I don't know why or how, but I feel that is the main issue. Not my diet. I don't know I'm just getting frustrated and mad at all this running around chasing things that don't really make sense to me. Three months here, three months there next thing I know I will be 50 and nothing has been done.
zenstinkfist
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I think my Urologist is they way I solve this. He seems to be open minded and may try different things to fix the issue. I hope. The Endo I saw was a joke.
natas9
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zenstinkfist
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Well not really, but I did see my Urologist last Friday. He want's me to do what the Endo says and stop drinking protein shakes and see what my levels are in 3 months. Then I will see the Endo and Urologist again. If the Endo is still a PITA and still blames my diet and doesn't at least try something to make me feel better my Urologist will. I told my Urologist that I fear that the Endo will come up with another BS solution and retest in another 3 months. I don't want this, I'm sick of it. I have had 5 blood tests and want them to at least try a solution. I know it's not my diet. I hope the Endo sees that I still have high E2 and tries to fix that then see how I feel. Maybe he will have me stop eating egg whites LOL.
I will know more in March then update again.
rodney 3000
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there is a topic about reducing-estrogen in this forum but I cant url the link because my post count is not high enough... but
if you have high e2 you need to read that article. I'm still tweaking things but it has helped me quite a bit. its in the over 35 forum so just scroll down
if you have high e2 you need to read that article. I'm still tweaking things but it has helped me quite a bit. its in the over 35 forum so just scroll down
zenstinkfist
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Thanks, I have seen it and have done some of the things in there. I haven't noticed any change yet. I will know more in March.
zenstinkfist
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Ok here is an update. I will be seeing my Endo this Friday. He had me take some tests prior. What was strange he never tested my Estrogen Total this time when this was the test that came back suspect in the past. I had the following tests done prior to this weeks meeting.
Enhanced Estradiol = 31.57 Not sure what this is for??
Testosterone Total = 483
LH = 3.66
Follicle Stim. Hormone 6.70
Again I'm not sure why he didn't test Estrogen total? So frustrating, I can already tell that he'll probably tell me that I'm fine or blame Peanut butter or some crap like that. I will post an update Friday, I'm already dissapointed but hope that they at least try something I'm so tired of blood tests!
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Enhanced Estradiol = 31.57 Not sure what this is for??
Testosterone Total = 483
LH = 3.66
Follicle Stim. Hormone 6.70
Again I'm not sure why he didn't test Estrogen total? So frustrating, I can already tell that he'll probably tell me that I'm fine or blame Peanut butter or some crap like that. I will post an update Friday, I'm already dissapointed but hope that they at least try something I'm so tired of blood tests!
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zenstinkfist
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I haven't had a shake in 2-3 months, I haven't seen a change in my health at all. I doubt its the shakes! Who is your Endo, I think we have the same one. LOL
bushyman
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You know, I was at my Drs about 3 weeks ago and we were going over my diet. He also mentioned that high protein diet had adverse impact on libido, could cause testicular shrinkage and also reduced sperm production!!!! I guess if you are over 40 and your body starts slowing down, you need to think about that if your libido drops and you are having a hard time conceiving with your significant other.
On another note, tribulus and horny goat week works for me. It takes a good 2-3 weeks to kick in but it does the job! + Adding a good NO booster also helps with getting the circulation going down there!
On another note, tribulus and horny goat week works for me. It takes a good 2-3 weeks to kick in but it does the job! + Adding a good NO booster also helps with getting the circulation going down there!
jsals22
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I would need to see some scientific evidence About protein having adverse effect of libido, testicular size and anything along those lines. The last 2 endos I have seen have spent more time lecturing me about going tanning once a week than listening to how I feel and explaining why my free test and TT are low.
zenstinkfist
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I just got back from my Endo visit. I feel the same as you do, he lectured me about all the sups and things like that again. He also said that he can't do anything because my nubers are in the correct "range". That's great, he told me that over time I should be normal again. So frustrated, I also schduled another apt. with my Urologist, If he doesn't do anthing then I'm going to start taking my Sups listed in the first post of this thread. If I can lower my E2 and increase test then I am willing to bet I will feel like a new man and have my sex drive back, more energy etc....
I'm not sure what else I can do? Any Ideas?