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4 WEEK BLAST CYCLE!! Test P/Tren A/TNE/Dbol/Anadrol

Thanks guys. Like I said I am not that pleased with the pictures. I don't think they really do justice on some of my progress but the next ones will be better.

Although it is obvious I am gaining mass. I went back to work today and quite a few people mentioned I got a lot bigger (from 12 days ago) Haha. Plus I am weighing in at almost 200 now (+10lbs roughly)
 
Looking f**king swole dude! Seriously nice work my friend. I love that lat spread be careful or you might fly away brother
 
DangerDave said:
Nope.... I'm very aggressive today but I'm good.
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That's good man! I've always wondered if the tren sides are all hype or if they're actually as bad as people make them out to be.
 
Getting hyooge!! Well done good to hear no sides from the tren...

Staying with the same dose or going to increase it again?
 
As someone who hasn't run tren, I still feel like tren sides are exaggerated. The voice of dissent is always the loudest, you know? I mean, if you buy something online and are pleased with it, how often do you think about writing a review? Most people don't...but if you buy something and are strongly disappointed, typically you take to a review to rant about it and let the steam out.

I feel like sides with tren are the same. Those who get them go crazy hyping them up, but those who run tren nearly side-free don't often make threads talking about not having sides on tren lol.
 
GreenEarth said:
As someone who hasn't run tren, I still feel like tren sides are exaggerated. The voice of dissent is always the loudest, you know? I mean, if you buy something online and are pleased with it, how often do you think about writing a review? Most people don't...but if you buy something and are strongly disappointed, typically you take to a review to rant about it and let the steam out.

I feel like sides with tren are the same. Those who get them go crazy hyping them up, but those who run tren nearly side-free don't often make threads talking about not having sides on tren lol.
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^^^ truth.

But I have had an old roommate who was on tren and not a lot of it, and had to wash his sheets every other day because the night sweats were so bad.


I haven't run it yet so I can't say but the sides and what I've heard from some people around me have put me using it off. I will def try it soon as everyone is different. Oh that and I'm not a sissy haha
 
Who doesn't want to wake up and have to wring out their sheets?
 
hardwork25 said:
Getting hyooge!! Well done good to hear no sides from the tren...

Staying with the same dose or going to increase it again?
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Thanks man. I think I might bump to 125mg ED. I almost gunna give it 2 more days and see if anything shows up... if not I will bump
 
Lukef2000 said:
That's good man! I've always wondered if the tren sides are all hype or if they're actually as bad as people make them out to be.
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In a way it seems like a hype but some friends get terrible sides at lower doses so there is probably some truth there. It just comes down to the person really. "Don't knock it till you try it" comes to mind lol
 
DangerDave said:
In a way it seems like a hype but some friends get terrible sides at lower doses so there is probably some truth there. It just comes down to the person really. "Don't knock it till you try it" comes to mind lol
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Well I hope for my sake I'm one of the ones that doesn't get terrible sides lol.
 
DangerDave said:
I mailed it to myself in WA state. By the time I flew to ID I had very little left and stuck the 3 vials in my toiletry bag. I peeled off the labels and if they had asked me I would have said it was medication for a dog. I checked the bags no problem. Needles and syringes too.
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Damn bro! That focking scares me. I'm gunna be flying to florida for vacation in jun and I will be on cycle then. I would be sweating bullets if I did that. Not sure what too do. I will be staying with some friends at there house maybe I could send it to them. Kinda what you had done
 
msrider said:
Damn bro! That focking scares me. I'm gunna be flying to florida for vacation in jun and I will be on cycle then. I would be sweating bullets if I did that. Not sure what too do. I will be staying with some friends at there house maybe I could send it to them. Kinda what you had done
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Mail it FedEx. They can't search your box unless it is leaking or a drug dog signals that it smells something. (I don't think there are steroid dogs lol). As long as you aren't mailing it out of the states you are good because customs isn't involved.

I mailed it to my dad's address but addressed to me. You will be good bro seriously don't sweat it.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Well I hope for my sake I'm one of the ones that doesn't get terrible sides lol.
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I hope you don't either bro. Start low and go up from there and you will be good.
 
DangerDave said:
Mail it FedEx. They can't search your box unless it is leaking or a drug dog signals that it smells something. (I don't think there are steroid dogs lol). As long as you aren't mailing it out of the states you are good because customs isn't involved.

I mailed it to my dad's address but addressed to me. You will be good bro seriously don't sweat it.
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Thanks!
 
DangerDave said:
In a way it seems like a hype but some friends get terrible sides at lower doses so there is probably some truth there. It just comes down to the person really. "Don't knock it till you try it" comes to mind lol
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I've actually read that your more likely to get more sides on low dosed tren vs high. I don't exactly remember the reason though. Ill see if I can dig it up.
 
Danb2285 said:
I've actually read that your more likely to get more sides on low dosed tren vs high. I don't exactly remember the reason though. Ill see if I can dig it up.
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Please do. That is very interesting. I don't know if DetroitHammer is still following but I'm sure he might be able to chime in on that. He said he was a Tren Junkie and ran it up to 900mg per week if I remember right.
 
DangerDave said:
Please do. That is very interesting. I don't know if DetroitHammer is still following but I'm sure he might be able to chime in on that. He said he was a Tren Junkie and ran it up to 900mg per week if I remember right.
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I have a buddy that is in love with tren and runs it in those ranges. Weird but I remember him saying he gets less sides the more he runs. I thought he was full of **** but maybe that's true.
 
hardwork25 said:
I have a buddy that is in love with tren and runs it in those ranges. Weird but I remember him saying he gets less sides the more he runs. I thought he was full of **** but maybe that's true.
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Its pretty interesting. I am running 700mg ew now and am thinking of going to 875mg. It would be nice to know I can handle that much. If so next cycle I would do 900mg Tren, 750 test P and anadrol for 4 weeks. That would be intense.
 
DangerDave said:
Its pretty interesting. I am running 700mg ew now and am thinking of going to 875mg. It would be nice to know I can handle that much. If so next cycle I would do 900mg Tren, 750 test P and anadrol for 4 weeks. That would be intense.
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Sorry to jump in out of the blue, I'm a noob and have been following along this thread because I was so interested in a short blast cycle. This is so badass, I'd love to try it someday. I'm in the midst of planning my next cycle but it's nowhere near as raw as this. Simple cycle, 500mg test E + 300mg Deca (per week). My first time trying deca so I'm not sure if I'll have any prolactin issues, which is why I'm keeping it low the first time around. PCT, hCG, etc etc, everything is in place.

But to your point, I've wondered if a 12 week cycle shuts you down longer than a 4-week blast like this one. I'm also really curious about your recovery and how much you keep, so I appreciate you keeping such a detailed log.

Good job dude, thanks for providing so much detail.
 
pisces.style said:
Sorry to jump in out of the blue, I'm a noob and have been following along this thread because I was so interested in a short blast cycle. This is so badass, I'd love to try it someday. I'm in the midst of planning my next cycle but it's nowhere near as raw as this. Simple cycle, 500mg test E + 300mg Deca (per week). My first time trying deca so I'm not sure if I'll have any prolactin issues, which is why I'm keeping it low the first time around. PCT, hCG, etc etc, everything is in place.

But to your point, I've wondered if a 12 week cycle shuts you down longer than a 4-week blast like this one. I'm also really curious about your recovery and how much you keep, so I appreciate you keeping such a detailed log.

Good job dude, thanks for providing so much detail.
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Thanks for joining in man. Shutdown is shutdown... period. How LONG you stay shut down is what matters. The longer you stay shutdown the bigger chance of side affects, longer recovery and not coming back all the way. There is always a risk.

Read the article about Androgens I linked in my first post. It talks about HPTA recovery and it says it better than I can. Ask away if you got more questions
 
DangerDave said:
Thanks for joining in man. Shutdown is shutdown... period. How LONG you stay shut down is what matters. The longer you stay shutdown the bigger chance of side affects, longer recovery and not coming back all the way. There is always a risk.

Read the article about Androgens I linked in my first post. It talks about HPTA recovery and it says it better than I can. Ask away if you got more questions
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Oh man, how could I miss that link? I just realized what you had referred to in your previous posts about the article, somehow I just kept overlooking the hyperlink!

Thanks man, I'm a total nerd and read up on this stuff everyday. I'll do my homework, keep following along, and if I'm really stuck I'll definitely take you up and ask questions.

Keep up the strong work.
 
pisces.style said:
Oh man, how could I miss that link? I just realized what you had referred to in your previous posts about the article, somehow I just kept overlooking the hyperlink!

Thanks man, I'm a total nerd and read up on this stuff everyday. I'll do my homework, keep following along, and if I'm really stuck I'll definitely take you up and ask questions.

Keep up the strong work.
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No problem buddy. Hit me up if you got questions.
 
DangerDave said:
No problem buddy. Hit me up if you got questions.
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Dude, I read the whole article, the whole thread, and every link attached to it. The concept is effing fascinating... I'm not sure what to think. In some ways, it makes sense, but there are still a few unanswered questions out there.

Part of me wants to completely ditch the Test E + Deca cycle 12 week cycle for something like this, but I already have most of what I need and I feel like it would go to waste. Secondly, I'm not sure if I'm as advanced as you are. This would only be my third cycle ever.

So my question is, at what stage of this cycle are you at now? I want to see how you would recover. And if there's any chance you'd comment on what a cycle design of this 4-week short blast should look like for a guy like me (180lbs, probably 12-15%bf, my avatar pic was taken only 3 months ago it's pretty current) I'd really appreciate it.

That thread mentioned combining Tren (75mg EOD) + Winstrol and optional anavar but didn't give any details. It also mentioned Femara instead of Anastrazole for A.I. but I already have Anastrazole so I'd rather keep it.

Anyway, any comment would be much appreciated. Thanks man. :fingersx:
 
Cycle Day 23

So time flys guys. It is already day 23 of the cycle and it is supposed to end on Sunday... SUPPOSED hahaha

I have decided to go 7 more days and bump my Tren dose to 125mg ED. I thought about the risk and 7 more days of shutdown isnt that serious to me. I am running a hardcore PCT and I wont be cycling until the fall anyways so its plenty of time to recover 100%. BUT if any of you see this as dangerous or not necessary please speak up. I am humble enough to admit I can be over zealous at times and get carried away lol.

I will be bringing back HCG and hitting 1500iu into the next week. I forgot to mention that I have had no testicular atrophy... at least nothing like I have seen in the past. I attribute this to the Formasurge, Anabeta and HCG I blasted.

I know I havent posted workouts in quite awhile. Instead of typing close to 17 workouts what I will do is this- Since I stick to the same workout program and split, and only rotate the order of lifts every other week My workouts look the same as far as reps and sets. I will post each muscle group, lifts and starting lifts and ending lifts. I have gotten much stronger but the big thing this cycle was to test how much hypertrophy I could achieve in 4 weeks (now 5 lol).

Let me know what you guys think.
 
as far as the stage I am at I am on cycle day 23. once I hit the PCT stage right before I start (sunday the 20th) I will get bloods done. Most likely the 21st. And I will get bloods again in february around the 15th-20th. At that point I will decide if I need to carry this farther or not.

As for you cycle... Ditch it. Try a Burst. Worst case is you burst 4 weeks, pct for 4 weeks and didnt like it. After 8 weeks start a 12 weeker... but I am willing to bet you will love the 4 week cycle.

A burst for you should contain these- Test, Anabolic, Androgen. All of them run at the highest dose you can handle. So for example like this-

Test P 500mg EW (50/50 Androgenic/Anabolic)
NPP 500mg EW (Anabolic)
Anavar 75-100mg ED (Androgen)

Or use Tren as your Androgen and use a oral anabolic. The possibilities are endless as long as you stick to short ester stuff. Design a Bulk Burst and a Cut Burst and rotate them year round right after eachother. That is what I will be doing.

As far as your 3rd cycle.. Who cares? You are who decides how ready you are. Are you going to hit the gym everyday no matter what? Are you gunna be partying? Are you gunna eat right? There are so many questions who am I to say? Do it and then do it again with different compounds until you find all of your favorites. Get creative bro there are so many different ways to do this.

pisces.style said:
Dude, I read the whole article, the whole thread, and every link attached to it. The concept is effing fascinating... I'm not sure what to think. In some ways, it makes sense, but there are still a few unanswered questions out there.

Part of me wants to completely ditch the Test E + Deca cycle 12 week cycle for something like this, but I already have most of what I need and I feel like it would go to waste. Secondly, I'm not sure if I'm as advanced as you are. This would only be my third cycle ever.

So my question is, at what stage of this cycle are you at now? I want to see how you would recover. And if there's any chance you'd comment on what a cycle design of this 4-week short blast should look like for a guy like me (180lbs, probably 12-15%bf, my avatar pic was taken only 3 months ago it's pretty current) I'd really appreciate it.

That thread mentioned combining Tren (75mg EOD) + Winstrol and optional anavar but didn't give any details. It also mentioned Femara instead of Anastrazole for A.I. but I already have Anastrazole so I'd rather keep it.

Anyway, any comment would be much appreciated. Thanks man. :fingersx:
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DangerDave said:
Cycle Day 23

So time flys guys. It is already day 23 of the cycle and it is supposed to end on Sunday... SUPPOSED hahaha

I have decided to go 7 more days and bump my Tren dose to 125mg ED. I thought about the risk and 7 more days of shutdown isnt that serious to me. I am running a hardcore PCT and I wont be cycling until the fall anyways so its plenty of time to recover 100%. BUT if any of you see this as dangerous or not necessary please speak up. I am humble enough to admit I can be over zealous at times and get carried away lol.

I will be bringing back HCG and hitting 1500iu into the next week. I forgot to mention that I have had no testicular atrophy... at least nothing like I have seen in the past. I attribute this to the Formasurge, Anabeta and HCG I blasted.

I know I havent posted workouts in quite awhile. Instead of typing close to 17 workouts what I will do is this- Since I stick to the same workout program and split, and only rotate the order of lifts every other week My workouts look the same as far as reps and sets. I will post each muscle group, lifts and starting lifts and ending lifts. I have gotten much stronger but the big thing this cycle was to test how much hypertrophy I could achieve in 4 weeks (now 5 lol).

Let me know what you guys think.
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I know it seems tempting to go another week but isn't this an experiment too? I think you should keep it 4 weeks get on PCT get off and get back on again. See if this burst cycling works. Extending it to 5 weeks I know is still a short cycle but seems to veer from the experiment.
 
superbeast668 said:
F it. Order more. Go for 12 and see how much tren you can really handle!
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Hahaha I wish bro.

The point of the burst was how to see how I gained over the original 4 weeks and how fast I recovered in 4 weeks. Total is 28 days on cycle.

I will not be cycling again for almost 9 months. So the thing I am asking is do you think its safe to take it from 28 days to 35? It would give me an idea how I recover after 5 weeks of exposure compared to 4. Technique what do you think? When j start cycling I would be doing 4 on 4-6 off, possibly cruising in between.
 
DangerDave said:
Hahaha I wish bro.

The point of the burst was how to see how I gained over the original 4 weeks and how fast I recovered in 4 weeks. Total is 28 days on cycle.

I will not be cycling again for almost 9 months. So the thing I am asking is do you think its safe to take it from 28 days to 35? It would give me an idea how I recover after 5 weeks of exposure compared to 4. Technique what do you think? When j start cycling I would be doing 4 on 4-6 off, possibly cruising in between.
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In this case where you aren't going on and off I don't see one more week being a problem. If you recover well from 5 weeks, obviously you'll do just fine when the time comes for those 4 week bursts. This was also a test run so IMO maybe you should push it just for the sake of seeing how much tren you can handle, that way when the time comes to do a burst cycle you can have abetter idea on how high you can really start tren ace at. Go for it buddy!
 
technique88 said:
In this case where you aren't going on and off I don't see one more week being a problem. If you recover well from 5 weeks, obviously you'll do just fine when the time comes for those 4 week bursts. This was also a test run so IMO maybe you should push it just for the sake of seeing how much tren you can handle, that way when the time comes to do a burst cycle you can have abetter idea on how high you can really start tren ace at. Go for it buddy!
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Ok cool. I am bumping to 150mg of Tren Ace ED and will run it until I am out. Which should be around next weekend. So in the end I might only end up extending the cycle 5-6 days.

I am stockpiling my next cycle... I have NPP, Mast P, Anavar, Anadrol, Test P, TNE and Tren A. I don't know how I will be running it and of what but I am thinking of alternating my bursts with anabolic and androgenic bursts. So burst 1 would be mainly Anabolic, 4-6 weeks off, then burst 2 would be mainly androgenic, then back to anabolic. I would like to bring in HGH into my "off" time. There are so many possibilities! I am going to be building and putting together a 2 year plan of bursts... so stay tuned
 
DangerDave said:
Ok cool. I am bumping to 150mg of Tren Ace ED and will run it until I am out. Which should be around next weekend. So in the end I might only end up extending the cycle 5-6 days.

I am stockpiling my next cycle... I have NPP, Mast P, Anavar, Anadrol, Test P, TNE and Tren A. I don't know how I will be running it and of what but I am thinking of alternating my bursts with anabolic and androgenic bursts. So burst 1 would be mainly Anabolic, 4-6 weeks off, then burst 2 would be mainly androgenic, then back to anabolic. I would like to bring in HGH into my "off" time. There are so many possibilities! I am going to be building and putting together a 2 year plan of bursts... so stay tuned
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Just run HGH throughout, from all the research I've done it doesn't start to shine until several months if using it. Go on for like 6 months straight at 2-4 IU a day so you can really reap the benefits of it. These short burst of HGH just doesn't make sense to me.
 
technique88 said:
Just run HGH throughout, from all the research I've done it doesn't start to shine until several months if using it. Go on for like 6 months straight at 2-4 IU a day so you can really reap the benefits of it. These short burst of HGH just doesn't make sense to me.
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I haven't done much research on it. My biggest concern is getting a legit source that isn't asking a kings ransom for a 100iu kit. Once I find that I will bulk order around 5-600ius which should cover me for 6 months.
 
DangerDave said:
I haven't done much research on it. My biggest concern is getting a legit source that isn't asking a kings ransom for a 100iu kit. Once I find that I will bulk order around 5-600ius which should cover me for 6 months.
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I've read into it here and there. Unfortunately it is pretty expensive no matter where you look. But from what I gathered going with low doses over a long period o time will yield the best results without any side effects like carpel tunnel. HGH is actually used to lean out, it doesn't pack on mass like steroids do.
 
technique88 said:
I've read into it here and there. Unfortunately it is pretty expensive no matter where you look. But from what I gathered going with low doses over a long period o time will yield the best results without any side effects like carpel tunnel. HGH is actually used to lean out, it doesn't pack on mass like steroids do.
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Yeah price isn't a problem really. Its getting legit stuff. If I throw down $1000+ I want to know I have some legit stuff. I would start incorporating it in once I am around 215 because I would like to lean out to around 205-210 with sub 10% BF.
 
Definitely 6-12 months on gh otherwise your wasting money. If you plan to cruise on test between blasts you'll be better off blasting until gains stop or your bloods come back severely skewed with super high cholestorol bp etc etc . Either way, tren shuts you down HARD so the difference between 4 and 5 weeks would be miniscule at best. 150mg is nuts bro. Your about to be in for a wild ride I think!
 
superbeast668 said:
Definitely 6-12 months on gh otherwise your wasting money. If you plan to cruise on test between blasts you'll be better off blasting until gains stop or your bloods come back severely skewed with super high cholestorol bp etc etc . Either way, tren shuts you down HARD so the difference between 4 and 5 weeks would be miniscule at best. 150mg is nuts bro. Your about to be in for a wild ride I think!
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Thanks man. I am willing to bet I see sides at 150. There is a huge difference all ready since I pinned at 430 am when I woke up.

I doubled my liver support last night to help with any spikes in BP. I also started taking an extra .5mg caber. So now I am up to 2mg ew. I decided its a bit underdosed because its research grade. My buddy using it says 2mg feels more like 1mg maybe a tiny bit more. I don't know tho but I am getting pharma grade for next time just to be safe.
 
So DD I got a question for you. You know a bit about my plans since u helped me, but I'm 31 and my test levels have never tested higher than 338. Should I just jump on trt I have a legal way to do it, or should I go along and do a cycle and see if I recover (I will most likely include HCG). Thoughts bro
 
bean5er said:
So DD I got a question for you. You know a bit about my plans since u helped me, but I'm 31 and my test levels have never tested higher than 338. Should I just jump on trt I have a legal way to do it, or should I go along and do a cycle and see if I recover (I will most likely include HCG). Thoughts bro
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Trt is forever man. Think about it. You will always have to inject, use a patch, cream or pellets for the rest of your life. If that doesn't bother you then yes get on TRT especially a full legal way. If your natty test levels are around 340 and that's without any steroids and supps, a cycle and pct will not bring you back past that and maintain it naturally.

So if I was in your shoes I would choose TRT but it really depends on you, your lifestyle and your commitment. TRT is for life .....
 
Just to piggy back on what DD said...emphasis on LIFE lol huge decision to make. Think about 10-15 years down the road.
 
DangerDave said:
Trt is forever man. Think about it. You will always have to inject, use a patch, cream or pellets for the rest of your life. If that doesn't bother you then yes get on TRT especially a full legal way. If your natty test levels are around 340 and that's without any steroids and supps, a cycle and pct will not bring you back past that and maintain it naturally.

So if I was in your shoes I would choose TRT but it really depends on you, your lifestyle and your commitment. TRT is for life .....
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Agreed fully I understand that. I do feel better while on a natty stack never had bloods done but I do notice a better sense of well being along with energy.
 
DangerDave said:
Trt is forever man. Think about it. You will always have to inject, use a patch, cream or pellets for the rest of your life. If that doesn't bother you then yes get on TRT especially a full legal way. If your natty test levels are around 340 and that's without any steroids and supps, a cycle and pct will not bring you back past that and maintain it naturally.

So if I was in your shoes I would choose TRT but it really depends on you, your lifestyle and your commitment. TRT is for life .....
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Its a big decision . A life changer. I'd personally get on it if i can do it legally. But i don't mind pinning. And you can pin low doses subq from my understanding for less scar tissue build up.

It's your decision and only yours. Write down a list of pro's and cons. Put serious thought into it. 60 years of jabbing your self is a long time!
 
DangerDave said:
As for you cycle... Ditch it. Try a Burst. Worst case is you burst 4 weeks, pct for 4 weeks and didnt like it. After 8 weeks start a 12 weeker... but I am willing to bet you will love the 4 week cycle.

A burst for you should contain these- Test, Anabolic, Androgen. All of them run at the highest dose you can handle. So for example like this-

Test P 500mg EW (50/50 Androgenic/Anabolic)
NPP 500mg EW (Anabolic)
Anavar 75-100mg ED (Androgen)

Or use Tren as your Androgen and use a oral anabolic. The possibilities are endless as long as you stick to short ester stuff. Design a Bulk Burst and a Cut Burst and rotate them year round right after eachother. That is what I will be doing.

As far as your 3rd cycle.. Who cares? You are who decides how ready you are. Are you going to hit the gym everyday no matter what? Are you gunna be partying? Are you gunna eat right? There are so many questions who am I to say? Do it and then do it again with different compounds until you find all of your favorites. Get creative bro there are so many different ways to do this.
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This is really good advice, thanks man. I'm getting excited to try this. Question: What's easier on the hairline, Anavar or Tren? I ask because, while I still have a full head of hair, I noticed that when I used superdrol I was shedding quite a bit. Things seem to have returned to normal (or stopped, not sure) but I've heard that Tren's androgenic properties can be a killer. Or will anavar be the same way?

As for commitment level, when I cycle, it's 100% commitment. No drinking whatsoever -- that's empty calories, makes me lethargic the next day, it's not for me. Some guys can handle it and that's cool, but I can't half ass anything I do. I can't say I'll work out everyday because I listen to my body, and sometimes I needs recovery time. But other times I'll hit the gym hard for as long as it takes for me to feel like I've done all I can do.

So yes, thank you for the advice -- I'm smart and I work hard but a little coaching from someone experienced goes a LONG way.
 
pisces.style said:
This is really good advice, thanks man. I'm getting excited to try this. Question: What's easier on the hairline, Anavar or Tren? I ask because, while I still have a full head of hair, I noticed that when I used superdrol I was shedding quite a bit. Things seem to have returned to normal (or stopped, not sure) but I've heard that Tren's androgenic properties can be a killer. Or will anavar be the same way?

As for commitment level, when I cycle, it's 100% commitment. No drinking whatsoever -- that's empty calories, makes me lethargic the next day, it's not for me. Some guys can handle it and that's cool, but I can't half ass anything I do. I can't say I'll work out everyday because I listen to my body, and sometimes I needs recovery time. But other times I'll hit the gym hard for as long as it takes for me to feel like I've done all I can do.

So yes, thank you for the advice -- I'm smart and I work hard but a little coaching from someone experienced goes a LONG way.
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Well I don't mind doing some coaching. I don't know it all but I can share what I do know.

If you are commited like you say man then go ahead and burst cycle. If you gain like I am then you will love it.
 
superbeast668 said:
Its a big decision . A life changer. I'd personally get on it if i can do it legally. But i don't mind pinning. And you can pin low doses subq from my understanding for less scar tissue build up.

It's your decision and only yours. Write down a list of pro's and cons. Put serious thought into it. 60 years of jabbing your self is a long time!
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Very big decision I know, ill probly wait a while and stay natty I guess but I'm just tired of well feeling like **** most the time. Lol. So in your guys opinion doing a cycle with my levels is pointless as my recovery will suck most likely? It's either trt or nothing?
 
bean5er said:
Very big decision I know, ill probly wait a while and stay natty I guess but I'm just tired of well feeling like **** most the time. Lol. So in your guys opinion doing a cycle with my levels is pointless as my recovery will suck most likely? It's either trt or nothing?
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I'm a self-acknowledged noob and certainly no authority on recovery, so take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt. I started doing cycles because I felt like I just simply could not grow on my own, and I really liked the results. Post-cycle recover for me wasn't friendly for a few weeks. I was kind of moody, disappointed in my drop in strength, etc. and just ITCHING to get back on test. Maybe there was something I could have done better.

But here's the point: when I finally did bounce back -- maybe 2 months after the end of my cycle -- I felt like I bounced back BETTER than I was before my cycle. I worked hard in the gym, pushed through even when I didn't want to go, and one day my girlfriend was like "are you on cycle again?" and I said no, why? And she tells me she's noticing a difference in my composition and like I was making progress. And I was, in a way I had never made before the cycle.

So why that is, who knows. For some reason, I do feel my test production is higher than it was before but I have nothing scientific to back that up. The only guess I have is that maybe my use of HCG throughout the cycle kept my nuts healthy and somehow tweaked my body into naturally producing more test. I actually believe I've read an hCG study that suggests that this is possible (something around 40% natural improvement). I can try to find it for you. I don't remember if this is right, it's just what sticks in my head, but I remember the article and I can see if I'm mistaken or if there's something to it.
 
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