NonyaBidness
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So that alone pretty much makes 4-dhea better for any of us without a time machine.
4-DHEA vs 1,4-AD (Boldione)
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So that alone pretty much makes 4-dhea better for any of us without a time machine.
Gym4Life
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Primordial performance coming out with tropical phs again ?
They was the best and cheaper and absorb amazingly for everyone that's the right and better track not expensive softgels ..
Are these tropicals phs gonna be the alpha series that they mentioned ?
Primordial performance tropicals would be a big winner and if cheaper than current andro series people will buy a lot more ....
I hope this is the way forward to primordial performance cus I love you guys and got respect for the andro series but people well most won't pay them prices when cheaper more proven and effective compounds are out their ..
Yes their not as safe but realtivley safe and very effective.
They was the best and cheaper and absorb amazingly for everyone that's the right and better track not expensive softgels ..
Are these tropicals phs gonna be the alpha series that they mentioned ?
Primordial performance tropicals would be a big winner and if cheaper than current andro series people will buy a lot more ....
I hope this is the way forward to primordial performance cus I love you guys and got respect for the andro series but people well most won't pay them prices when cheaper more proven and effective compounds are out their ..
Yes their not as safe but realtivley safe and very effective.
Husker89
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agreed
jbryand101b
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they may be releasing 4-dhea topical, hope so.
Tansui
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Be a little dumb to do it on dirt
At least on the dirt you wouldn't be putting kids lives in danger... just your own.
How's a $3000 helmet help the kids in the minivan you barrel through the side of?
MattPorter
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We are always striving to EVOLVE and INNOVATE. I purposely sparked some interest by leaking something pre-maturely, but it is interesting to think about right?
We have lots of great ideas in store and hope to make them a reality. One step at a time. Topicals are very "questionable" because they are cosmetics and not quite supplements per se -----think of topicals (IF we actually release one) as a nice little undercover (undergorund) "add-on item."
Kinda like prototype does NOT market 11 spray 7 spray etc.... but you know its there......
-Matt
We have lots of great ideas in store and hope to make them a reality. One step at a time. Topicals are very "questionable" because they are cosmetics and not quite supplements per se -----think of topicals (IF we actually release one) as a nice little undercover (undergorund) "add-on item."
Kinda like prototype does NOT market 11 spray 7 spray etc.... but you know its there......
-Matt
MattPorter
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Husker -- AndroHard and superdrol in regard to hpta suppression is not in the same realm......
Thinks SD as (DNP) and AH as (caffeine)
One you could F&ck yourself up on badly --- the other ehhhh not so much
--matt
Thinks SD as (DNP) and AH as (caffeine)
One you could F&ck yourself up on badly --- the other ehhhh not so much
--matt
jbryand101b
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cosmetics with hormones or chemicals in them, no, this has never happened.
MattPorter
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So snide..
I was referring to other ideas being a different product line --"T-Series" which will be innovative and refreshing.
The topical are nothing new and something that should not be focused on. But they might still be there for people who like that sort of thing.
-Matt
jbryand101b
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i love the idea, and if pp had a 4-dhea topical, i'd probably buy it, depending on the cost.
Tansui
Active member
Expound on this please. I get the delivery is better, so you don't need as much of the steroid to get the same results... Do the greater (inactive) concentrations present with stano still weigh on the HPTA?
MattPorter
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Tansui
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Why is Stano more suppressive?
Husker89
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how would androhard compare to 40mgs winny daily?
jbryand101b
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because dht binds more strongly with and therefore more interaction with the androgen receptors in the body.
jbryand101b
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it wouldn't.
MattPorter
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Not a great comparison as winny is a nice anabolic that could have better potential to accrue lean mass, where as Androhard is more androgenic and won't have the anabolic ability to build as much mass.....(although noone really uses winstrol for "mass" anyways)
Of course people have gained muscle and lost fat on androhard, but winstrol is simply different.
-Matt
MattPorter
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I have not looked into stanodrol at all, but I'll assume it is epiandrosterone?
Androsterone has a higher binding affinity to muscle opposed to prostate, hair etc... compared to epiandrosterone....both would suppress though. Problem with straight androsterone (as seen with our previous V2 HARD) is it caused a sedative -like effect from GABAerigic effects.
Made some people feel "life-less"
-matt
jbryand101b
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i believe stanodrol contains androsterone. i'd have to look at the nomenclature to be sure but im lazy.
jbryand101b
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the fist one
MattPorter
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Winny is not a miracle by any means lol
only gh + slin + t4 + tren + test is. hehe
-Matt
only gh + slin + t4 + tren + test is. hehe
-Matt
Husker89
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ya i know but i am 194 8%bf and eat only tilapiaa steak chicken sweet potatoes brown rice oatmeal a little 1% milk, so since diet is right it should help a lot
MattPorter
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If you are a GENUINE 8% BF you will LOVE winny or ANY hormone for that matter,,,, you will look much harder,dense (rounder) etc....
What height husker?
-matt
Husker89
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6'1- 6'1.5 lifted natty for 5 years and on and off gear for 3, started at 6'1 130 lbs got to 188 natty
vidapreta
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6'1" 130 pounds?? Man you were skin and bones!
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jbryand101b
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thats the size of my *****
vidapreta
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vidapreta
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WARBIRDWS6
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I ate people like you guys when I was in high school, lotsa protein and just throw the bones in the sewer and shyt you out 12 hours later 
Husker89
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ya it was a lot of work but the best part is when i cut and can lose weight SOOOO fing quickly
I ate people like you guys when I was in high school, lotsa protein and just throw the bones in the sewer and shyt you out 12 hours later
WARBIRDWS6
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I was more meaty than you guys in HS, but not as much as I suggested LOL....i was about 160 or so at my max. not skinny, with some fat and muscle I wasn't in any position to eat anybody .........
I wasn't in any position to eat anybody .........
vidapreta
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I was more meaty than you guys in HS, but not as much as I suggested LOL....i was about 160 or so at my max. not skinny, with some fat and muscle
Oh cool I was getting a little nervous..lol
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MattPorter
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The guys who start out skinny and CUT have a nice disposition. They typically just gain lean mass when weight gain happens. They also can lean out extremely fast if they do get higher in BF.
The skinny guys who are also "fat" or soft, probably have the worse starting point, because they are small and soft, so they need the MOST hormonal assistance to manipulate their less than stellar genetics.
-Matt
The skinny guys who are also "fat" or soft, probably have the worse starting point, because they are small and soft, so they need the MOST hormonal assistance to manipulate their less than stellar genetics.
-Matt
WARBIRDWS6
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key word here is WHEN weight gain happens for them...which is usually not happening
....I'd rather be a skinnier guy with some endo and meso tendencies (softer and fatter before starting lifting) than be a straight up skinny ecto.....I can lose the fat, they can't put on muscle to save their lives..and I can put on muscle much faster than them (obviously if they are skinny hardgainers).....kind of like comparing being ugly and being fat, I can lose weight but your probably gonna stay ugly (skinny) w/o chemical assistance
MattPorter
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key word here is WHEN weight gain happens for them...which is usually not happening
So you are more meso from the sounds of it and NOT skinny/soft/fat? Trust me a true skinny/fat is the worst position to be in.....
Guys that look like twigs in clothing, but have zero definition. Super frustrating I am sure. Skinny guys who are shredded....veins every where, tied-in delts, fulls abs etc..... those guys when they to gain it is super lean.....then when they take gear ---- they continue gaining lean...
Much better position to be in --- of course the best is PURE meso,,, naturally muscular and lean -- few freaks I have witness like this.
-matt
WARBIRDWS6
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I'm more talking about the full blown skinny guys, who don't really have much muscle.....can't gain weight for shyt despite (supposedly) eating 4-5K calories a day....I would rather be a "skinnier"/average size guy, but a guy who has some meat on his bones (some fat of course) who can at least gain weight/muscle and then lose the fat later. I do see a lot of these true skinny hardgainers out there. I'm a 1/3 of each actually.....got qualities of all 3 bodytypes....which is really not good....means you got spots you need to gain muscle, spots you just need to get rid of fat, and spots that are just about right. hard to attack that type of body
MattPorter
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Interesting....
I always considered myself ecto,,,, but I was essentially doing EVERYTHING polar opposite for muscle growth before I started lifting and responded VERY fast to it once I started.....
So I do not know now what somatotype I am, but I know I worked my ass to get where I am now...
-Matt
I always considered myself ecto,,,, but I was essentially doing EVERYTHING polar opposite for muscle growth before I started lifting and responded VERY fast to it once I started.....
So I do not know now what somatotype I am, but I know I worked my ass to get where I am now...
-Matt
vidapreta
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Then you get older, your metabolism slows down and you gotta fight to keep that fat at bay.
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Husker89
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i was the skinny veiny athlete and now i am still veiny ripped and built at 194 8% bf with winny coming in TODAY
soontobbeast
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i feel like i would probably look amazing if i stopped eating zebra cakes for 3-6 months. somehow i stay around the same weight give or take 10lbs of bloat year round getting blazed and eating everything in sight lol.
if i was an endo i would look like a blimp with my eating habits, if i was an ecto i probably would be super skinny.......so im thinking maybe i am a meso but i won't let my body do its thing.
son of a
WARBIRDWS6
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most people are combinations and are not the prototype ecto/meso/endo. some are, full blown fat or skinny or muscular....but most of us are a mix. you will have tendencies for all or some of the bodytypes. this also changes as you get older of course.
MattPorter
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Ecto/meso fo life
-Matt
-Matt
Airborne42
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Ima get me some ;-)
jbryand101b
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me too
Airborne42
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It's hard stuff to pass up if you come across it
