4-ad into PENATRATE

glenihan

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i did my buddy a favor and ordered him some 1-test and 4-ad because he knows he **** about lifting, training, and dieting, but knows nothing about computers or the internet

anyway the 1-test and 4-ad arrived along with the penatrating gel and i decided to be a sweetheart and mix them up for him since i was mixing up nolva for myself anyway
i got 10 grams of 1-test into one of the bottles of PENATRATE no problem
i tried adding 10 grams of 4-ad to a DIFFERENT bottle of penatrate, and i've been shaking the hell out of it, given it several heatbaths and i CANNOT get it to dissolve completely, there looks to be at least 3 grams left, any advice?
 
Heat and stir....but even then, supersaturated solutions are unstable, so it'll probably come back out...I can't believe 10g of 4AD is this much trouble for 8oz of PENETRATE....
 
I'll let you guys know. I've got four bottles coming and I'm putting 4-ad in them.
 
i can't believe it either! especially given how easily the 1-test went in ... i can't figure out what the hell is going on
 
4AD is known for this. It has a very tough time dissolving in large amounts. Test base is the same way. Sometimes you have to literally stick a toothbrush in there to break up the large clumps then heat repeatedly.
 
oh pinning is not a problem for me in the slightest :)
i'm doing a non-computer saavy friend a favor and decided to be extra nice by mixing it for him
 
my 4ad went in easy with smashing it thin, but the formastane wont dissolve for the life of me, plus the damn thing leaks like a bitch..i shake and **** spills out everywhere!!! i wonder if it would be better to use a sprayer so it wont leak everywhere..i've prolly wasted a days worth of 4ad, 7keto and formastane...:mad:b ut if i use a sprayer top instead of what is given with this bottle, how would i figure out how many sprays i would need to do?

edit: since the penetrate is 8oz it would be 240 mls correct?
 
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bump for more help, i tried adding a penny (couldn't find a marble or ball bearing) and tried using a toothbrush to smash the 4-ad up more
still can't get it all dissolved, there is still a decent amount undissolved
 
glenihan said:
bump for more help, i tried adding a penny (couldn't find a marble or ball bearing) and tried using a toothbrush to smash the 4-ad up more
still can't get it all dissolved, there is still a decent amount undissolved
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did you try the hot water bath????
 
glenihan said:
oh pinning is not a problem for me in the slightest :)
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Well...i've still got my IM cherry, so I was just kiddin' around anyway :D
i'm doing a non-computer saavy friend a favor and decided to be extra nice by mixing it for him
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That's nice of you....but, like the old saying goes "give a man a fish and you've fed him for a night. teach a man to fish and you've fed him for a lifetime." Or, my interpretation put into context of the subject.....it's 2005 (nearly). Make his lazy ass learn how to use a damn computer! :D
 
Go to your nearest toy store and buy some marbles. I saw someone say that they dumped it into a bowl and microwaved it (dont know if this is a good idea though).
 
Do not microwave. You just have to keep using a VERY hot water bath and do it slowly. If it doesn't all go in then he probably gave you more than 10g to begin with.
 
yeah i've tried hot water baths, i dumped it all in at once since the 1-test went in so quickly and easily
i guess i'll just keep trying
 
I would think 12 g should go in. I've gotten 12 g in T-gel before without too much trouble. Just a little heat and shaking. But this is different, so we'll see.
 
As Tucker stated breaking the 4ad up or chopping it into very fine powder works well along with heating it using a glass bottle to reach higher temps.


Bobo it's funny that you mention Test Base. I got 10g in 4oz of Penetrate with the greatest of ease. I would put my life on the line that I could get 15g in 4oz (half the bottle) with no probs. Maybe I should start my own biz up, Mixing powders for people everyone seems to have so much trouble LOL

I guess once you master winny it's all down hill from there :cool:
 
jminis said:
As Tucker stated breaking the 4ad up or chopping it into very fine powder works well along with heating it using a glass bottle to reach higher temps.
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sadly, this info could have helped me yesterday
lol, its too late to chop it up now i'm just gonna keep on at it, its had numerous LONG HOT HOT HOT water baths and i've shook and shook until i can't shook no more .... :blink:

got keep on keepin' on
 
ive also had immense trouble getting my 4-ad into my penetrate. I tried to cram 20 grams into it because i heard it was easily possible. My 20 grams of 1-test went in easily. I put about a quarter tablespoon of 4-ad into my heated penetrate in a glass beaker and it wouldnt even dissolve after 10 minutes of mixing. I just poured all the rest in and hope it would settle itself out. Well after 8 heat-baths, mixing on high speed in my blender, and marbles, theres a huge clump of 4-ad on the bottom of my penetrate bottle that reaches about 1/4 way up the bottle.
 
You guys are making me nervous. I just got my penetrate and I am hoping to put 6 of test and 9 of 4ad. I hope it goes well. Looks like I am going back to the old days and choping up powder for a couple of hours. :twisted:
 
my advice is definitely cut up the powder first and put it in slowly after you've heated it, a little at a time
that probably would have kept me from this predicament

the 1-test should go in no problem, i got 10 grams in the other bottle in like 10 minutes
 
Well, I just finished making my trans. I got 10g 4AD and 10g 1-test in to one bottle. There are still is few particles that are floating around, nothing major, going to try another hot water bath to get those into solution. I am glad I read this thread about breaking up the powder, made it much easier. What I did was first made sure the powder was as fine as I could get it. Heated the penetrate in a water bath, hot but so hot that I could not hold it. Then dumped 2g in at a time, shaking for about 1 min after each addition.

Now I just have to get the 151 MDHT solution to dissolve, I did not break up the powder before making that. Multiple hot water baths and its still fighting me.
 
I originally tried for 20mg/ml but could not get it to dissolve so I ended up with right around 15mg/ml. Had I cut the powder before making the solution I don't think 20mg/ml would have been much of a problem.
 
I have a two speed hand mixer lying around the house. Would this help get the 4-AD into solution a bit easier? I'm just weighing my options for mixing up the 4-AD. I was going to go with 15g in 240ml and 10g 1-Test 120ml.
 
Yes! I would recommend choping up the 4-AD as fine as possible, and cooking up 3 grams at a time. Just drop the powder into the hot solution and taking the mixer and go to town!
 
I have a ghetto thunderstick mixer that i had at school before I bought a blender and now it's just lying around the house and I figure I might as well use it.

Stryder, on the cutting of 4-AD... I know you mean cleaving the powder finer than it is, but how would you go about that? mortar and pestle? or something simpler?
 
I just use a card like my drivers license.Its hard to explain, but I cut 15 grams of powder to flour in like 15 minutes. It just takes practice.
 
I just use a razor blade and chop it up into fine powder, just make sure no one sees you...they might get the wrong idea--LOL!
 
stryder said:
I just use a razor blade and chop it up into fine powder, just make sure no one sees you...they might get the wrong idea--LOL!
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See, that's the thing...I still live with my parents, but will be using the 4-AD at school. I was just wondering if there might be a less conspicuous way. They freaked when my CEE came in (mom got me pretty good with that, saying she flushed my "cocaine" :icon_lol: ). The mortar and pestle they might be more keen on. But I'll see how it goes...:thumbsup:
 
This is not good guys. The 6 grams of test went in fine and the first 3 grams of 4ad went in now the next set of 3 grams is just sitting at the bottom of the bottle staring at me. This after numerous hot baths and cutting all my powder up. Better yet is there anything I can add to it to disolve it. So what is the main ingredient in penetrate that soaks up the powder?
 
Did you just shake the bottle when adding the 4-AD? Your best bet is to use a mixer or marbles to break up the 4-AD. It's the mixing that breaks it up to help it dissolve better than just shaking in the bottle.
 
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See, that's the thing...I still live with my parents, but will be using the 4-AD at school. I was just wondering if there might be a less conspicuous way. They freaked when my CEE came in (mom got me pretty good with that, saying she flushed my "cocaine" :icon_lol: ). The mortar and pestle they might be more keen on. But I'll see how it goes...:thumbsup:
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LOL...yeah in that case it may be best to go with the mortar and pestle!
 
I did I actually put it in a beaker like recomended and mixed it with a mixer. Now another problem is I am down to like 7 oz. My guess is that the alcohol dissolved. What can I do. Stryder I also sent you an email if you would please respond. thanx
 
pjsallday said:
Can I just add some everclear to make up for the ??alcohol??(if that is what I lost) lost?
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I'm not sure in regards to everclear as a substititute but if you left the Penetrate in the beaker for an extended amount of time in the heat than yes it was the alcohol that evaporated.
 
dg806 said:
I'm going to try 12g 4/ad tonight and see how it works.
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Remember use small amounts of powder at a time, chop the powder up real fine, and use something to stir up the powder vigorously when pouring the 4-AD into the heated contents or marbles to shake it up with...let us know the outcome.
 
Recently I got greedy with the Penetrate. I have never mixed up a transdermal before, and just put the whole 15g into the bottle, shook, and all was well. But when I added the 10g of 1 test it just clumped and sank like a pebble. I feel like an ass for not doing a search on "clump" before proceeding. Well, off to get a marble and make a hot bath.
 
25 grams of powder is pushing it for the dermal. The most I've heard was 20...hope you can get the 1-Test to dissolve. Keep us informed of the outcome.
 
Update

I took a 3 cup measuring cup of water and microwaved for 8 minutes. water was 207 degrees F. Put the container of penetrate with my additives into the bath and let it sit for 30 minutes with the pump/cap on. My reasoning was that the pressure and heat together would enhnce solubility. The bad news is that the bottom bowed and the bottle will never stand up straight again. In addition, since the liquid expanded from the heat, I lost a few ml when I opened to stir. The good news is that all it took was a few minutes stirring with a chopstick to disolve it all. It has completely disolved and nothing has fallen out. It has only been a few hours though so we will see.
 
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