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4-ad and 1-andro Cycle with Formastazol

kissdadookie said:
4-andro iirc converts to test.

If you run either at good doses, you're going to need a proper pct. Look at the 1-andro @ 300 mg ED study.
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Have to disagree on this one.
I know many people (myself included) who have run 1-DHEA for up to 8 weeks at modest doses that have recovered very quickly and easily with OTC PCT products.

Not to say everyone will, but there are some who do.
 
kissdadookie said:
Bloodwork?
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It's going back over a year since I used the stuff so unfortunately I don't have the results with me, but I was running 4x190mg caps per day for almost 8 weeks and did my PCT with PCT Revolution Black (arimistane), DAA and ZMA.

I got some blood work done about 6 weeks later and everything was within normal range - liver enzymes and cholesterol unaffected.
 
NoPainNoGain said:
It's going back over a year since I used the stuff so unfortunately I don't have the results with me, but I was running 4x190mg caps per day for almost 8 weeks and did my PCT with PCT Revolution Black (arimistane), DAA and ZMA.

I got some blood work done about 6 weeks later and everything was within normal range - liver enzymes and cholesterol unaffected.
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Very nice. Do you know your baseline prior to the cycle for test?
 
My natural test levels have always been regrettably, low normal, and returned back to where they were prior to the cycle.

My first cycle with 1-DHEA was issue free and a smooth and pleasant ride because I kept everything simple.
The second time around I added in SERMS and HCG and I really messed myself up.

If it's possible to keep things simple and still achieve the desired outcome then I would suggest going that route - all based on personal experience, of course.
 
NoPainNoGain said:
My natural test levels have always been regrettably, low normal, and returned back to where they were prior to the cycle.

My first cycle with 1-DHEA was issue free and a smooth and pleasant ride because I kept everything simple.
The second time around I added in SERMS and HCG and I really messed myself up.

If it's possible to keep things simple and still achieve the desired outcome then I would suggest going that route - all based on personal experience, of course.
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HCG for PCT is silly. HCG on cycle however is a good idea.
 
kissdadookie said:
Methylation has essentially nothing to do with a compound shutting you down or not, neither does it have an impact on estrogen issues that may occur.

4-AD is know to convert to estrogen to a significant degree when dosed high enough, that's the body trying to balance out the T:E ratio.
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Y does everyone think methyl has something to do with shutdown or how strong something is, all methylation is how it breaks down or liver stress. Tren is non methyl, guess what, sides are bad and ur shutdown!
 
kissdadookie said:
Methylation has essentially nothing to do with a compound shutting you down or not, neither does it have an impact on estrogen issues that may occur.

4-AD is know to convert to estrogen to a significant degree when dosed high enough, that's the body trying to balance out the T:E ratio.
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This isn't true.
Methyl estrogen isn't good.
 
Had a flare up of what seems to be borderline gynecomastia. So I upped my dosage of formastanz and started my aromx. Really wanted to save my nolva for PCT. The tenderness went away after 2 days of aromx at 3 caps a day. And 8 pumps of formastanz twice a day. Don't feel very dry but I feel a lot better now that I upped that other stuff. Was starting to feel kinda ****ty
 
My jaw shat the bed. Can't close the right side of my mouth. I'm not particularly sure what it's from but it hurt after I hit 405 for a set of 3 for squatting
 
Updating posts. So I did legs and chest.

Legs:
Squat 1 set of 315 for 3
1 set of 365 for 3
1 set of 405 for 3

Chest:
3 sets of 8 at 225
1 set of 225 for 3 close grip
1 set of 1 at 275 close grip
3 sets of 6 205 pause bench
Lat pull downs 3 sets of 15
Triceps extension 3 sets of 15
Abs
 
Last night hit a 300 and a 315 bench. Last day of triumph have 4-AD till next Saturday and then I'll be starting the nolva, epic and dermastrength for PCT along with cycle support.
 
Since I started PCT the other day I figured I would post my new numbers and then later my new measurements. Just wanted to thank all of you who helped me out and hope you all enjoyed the thread

Big three

Bench: 300
Squat: 455
Deadlift: 455

Total: 1210
 
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