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4-ad and 1-andro Cycle with Formastazol

Dcutich1

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I will be starting an either 8 week or 6 week cycle of 1-andro and 4-ad. Accompanying this stack for the duration is a bottle of formaztanzol. I will be taking 1 tablet twice a day in the morning and then 8 hours later. I will be starting with the 1-andro and then using the 4-ad if I notice lethargy or a libido crash. Will also be using

Most likely layout:
1-Andro: 2/3/3/3/3/3 (per day for the week) 1 pill left over probably just pop it one of the days or something
4-AD: 0/2/2/2/2/2/2/2/2 (per day for the week) 8 pills left over
Formastanzol: 10 pumps daily for 60 days; in between morning and nightly dose
Cycle Supprt: 4 caps a day with the formazastanzol

My PCT will be Olympus Labs Dermastr3ngth and ep1c, Iron labs cycle support and AromX. Since I am either doing 8 weeks or 6 week I will have a SERM on hand but from what I have read I don't think it'll be needed. Also can't be to careful!

PCT:
Dermastr3ngth: 1 pump daily for 60 days
AromX: 2/1/2/1/2/1/2/1 ------> Depending on how I feel might up the dosage or lower it
Ep1c: 1 a day for 60 days

My Stats
Age: 21
Weight: 225
Height: 6'1
Bicep: 16"
Neck:16"
Upper leg: 25.5"
Calf: 16.5"
Forearm: 13"
Shoulders: 55"
Chest: 46"
Waist: 37"



Big 3 Maxes

Squat: 425
Bench: 275
Deadlift: 425

Total: 1125

Pictures wouldn't turn out and I have a Mid-term fairly soon, so I will figure out how to post these pictures eventually. But my goal for this cycle is size and strength like I am sure a lot of other people are interested in. I am a competitive powerlifter and I compete at 220 but that might have to change depending on how well this cycle goes. I will update this log once a week at least do to my prior commitments for school. I am in college on the Pre-Med track so if I miss a day I do apologize in advance but my life can get quite hectic sometimes.

I will post workouts and at the end progress pics and a final measurement. Hope you all enjoy!!!


Also! I will be using the Cube Kingpin Training Method.
 
Luck to be honest, so I figured why not just do it.

I was also thinking of adding something to it since I didn't really pay anything. I was thinking something a little harder from Olympus labs. But I didn't really research anything personally. If anyone has a suggestion I'm open to it!
 
Had my first workout with it yesterday. The only real difference was I had a great pump. The formastanz also is making me sweat like a pig. So that's kinda fun to sit through in class.

But my first lift went well I even played football right before it.

Cube kingpin: chest rep day

1. 3 sets of 10 at 195 regular bench
2. 2 sets of 8 205 close grip bench
3. 3 sets of 10 at 175 w/ a one inch pause off the chest
4. 4 sets of 15 at 140 for lat pull downs
5. 3 sets of 10 front raises at 25 pound Dumbbells
6.3 sets of pull-ups for AMRAP
 
What exactly are the products? I assume they're IML products since the unnecessary cycle support is...The reason why I ask is the dosage. Saying I'm taking 2 pills a day means nothing if you do not know the mg per pill.
 
I mean if you're honestly just going to bitch and whine about my thread don't comment on it. Seems like a pretty easy solution to me.
 
Dcutich1 said:
I mean if you're honestly just going to bitch and whine about my thread don't comment on it. Seems like a pretty easy solution to me.
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I'm not bitching, I'm asking, why would you run such a dumb cycle? Look at your layout lol not only is there a ton of worthless additions all around you have your test base running far longer than your actual cycle. Have you done any research at all?
 
To be honest I had it set at 2's all the way across and then someone said to up the 1-andro and keep the 4-ad at 2's starting after the first week. So I listened. If I shouldn't my bad but this is my first cycle.
 
And the **** was free so I suppose there quite a few worthless additions. But I figured I might as well use the stuff.
 
If u wanna see results from the ams products u gotta dose higher, u wont see anything from 4ad till ur over 3 a day. Its a good test base and gives a lil bloat, helps with lethargy, i used it with hdrol a few years ago. Saw nothing good from the 1andro tho
 
Smont said:
If u wanna see results from the ams products u gotta dose higher, u wont see anything from 4ad till ur over 3 a day. Its a good test base and gives a lil bloat, helps with lethargy, i used it with hdrol a few years ago. Saw nothing good from the 1andro tho
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Okay. So just do both at 3 for 6 weeks? Instead of the 8
 
Get another bttl of each and run both 3-4 a day till the bttls run out, for pct use arom x as label states, add daa at 3 gm a day and use ai starting week 3 or pct and taper off. Plus whatever else u were already gonna use
 
Smont said:
3 each for 6 sounds good
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Thanks man! I was really just wondering if I should add a methylated one since the two I'm using were mild, like I said this all really just got places in my lap. I was personally gonna do a completely different one with Tr3st.
 
Dcutich1 said:
And the **** was free so I suppose there quite a few worthless additions. But I figured I might as well use the stuff.
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Because your wasting them...Why not save them? No need to run the cycle support or the formastanzol(unless it's with the 4 ad). And if you want a decent cycle I'd run 600mg 1AD and 800mg of 4ad. Get a serm for pct and actually enjoy the cycle.
 
Jerrad said:
Because your wasting them...Why not save them? No need to run the cycle support or the formastanzol(unless it's with the 4 ad). And if you want a decent cycle I'd run 600mg 1AD and 800mg of 4ad. Get a serm for pct and actually enjoy the cycle.
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Alright. So because of what you said before I looked into this more and I'm sorry for being a **** earlier. So I just ordered some tr1umph to stack with the 4-ad and 1-andro. I am gonna start the formaztanz on the 2nd week and now I'm gonna stick with the cycle support. I'll do a 6 week run for the whole thing followed by the pct I laid out before So to clarify it'll be 600mg 4-ad, 300mg 1-andro and 60 mg of tr1umph a day
 
Jerrad said:
Get a serm for pct and actually enjoy the cycle.
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Which serm do you recommend? My one friend has some nolva on hand. But my other friend said he loves tamoxifen. Not sure if I would need tamoxifen since that **** is real strong
 
Dcutich1 said:
Alright. So because of what you said before I looked into this more and I'm sorry for being a **** earlier. So I just ordered some tr1umph to stack with the 4-ad and 1-andro. I am gonna start the formaztanz on the 2nd week and now I'm gonna stick with the cycle support. I'll do a 6 week run for the whole thing followed by the pct I laid out before So to clarify it'll be 600mg 4-ad, 300mg 1-andro and 60 mg of tr1umph a day
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That sounds like a cool cycle. Nolva is fine for pct. Personally, I would save your other OL products you're using during pct for after pct. You have to take a decent amount of time off after pct and those products, if nothing else will probably help you feel better mentally and help with motivation.
 
Had a good deadlift workout yesterday.

5 sets of 2 at competition stance deadlift 365
2 sets of 6 block pulls at 365
2 sets of 6 2' deficit pulls 315
4 sets of 15 lat pull down 110
3 sets of pull-ups AMRAP
3 sets of farmers walks with 120lb Dumbbells, no hex bar at the gym I used yesterday.
 
Started the 4-ad and tr1umph yesterday. Didn't really feel a difference yet. Did legs:

Squat: 3 sets of 10 at 315
Olympic squat: 2 sets of 6 at 315
Pause squats: 2 sets of 6 at 245
GHR with red band: 4 sets of 15
Back extension: 3 sets of 12
Pull-ups: 3 sets AMRAP
Farmers walks: Legs were shot had to call it a day
 
Did chest today felt great usually sucks cause I tore my labrum from pitching in high school.

Chest:
225 for 5 sets of 2
245 close grip for 2 sets of 1
185 2 sets of 6 1" pause off chest
Lat pull down 4 sets of 15
Abs cause you know
 
Deadlifted yesterday, my back was really sore before hand but I was hitting my lifts really well.

So

315 for 1
365 for 1
405 for 1
425 for 1

225 for 3 sets of 10 2" deficit

Lat pull down 4 sets of 15

Dumbbell curls 2 sets of 25 at 25 lbs

Crunches 2 sets of 50
 
Formastanzol got rid of my headaches and I feel better. My diet has not been on point for the past two days. Sour patch kids are a problem. But today I'll be back in the gym to do bench later.
 
Smont said:
If u add anything stronger or up the dose past that u need a serm
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Smont - could you please check out my thread and let me know what you think?

It's called "Running 1-DHEA solo with possible 4-DHEA inclusion later".
I'm curious whether I can add 4-andro RX or Testogel to this, and if so, how long I can run it with the 1-Alpha before needing serms in PCT.

The plan is -

2x1-Alpha per day for 3 weeks
3x1-Alpha per day for 4 weeks

2xPCT Rev Black (or 3xErase) per day for 30 days
2xUltra Male RX per day for 30 days
2x Anabolic Matrix per day for 30 days
(maybe)3gm DAA per day for 30 days

Rather not include any serms, however I do have HCG on hand and am wondering whether I should run this at micro doses during the cycle to maintain the gonads.

Also thinking of including 4-AndroRX or Testogel but only if necessary, and if so, at the MINIMUM possible dosage to receive benefits and to not need a serm.
 
Joshlm69 said:
is formeron enough for a non methy based cycle. and keep nolva on hand?
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Methylation has essentially nothing to do with a compound shutting you down or not, neither does it have an impact on estrogen issues that may occur.

4-AD is know to convert to estrogen to a significant degree when dosed high enough, that's the body trying to balance out the T:E ratio.
 
kissdadookie said:
Methylation has essentially nothing to do with a compound shutting you down or not, neither does it have an impact on estrogen issues that may occur. 4-AD is know to convert to estrogen to a significant degree when dosed high enough, that's the body trying to balance out the T:E ratio.
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I thought it basically didn't convert to DHT as it by passes it?
 
1-Andro doesn't convert to DHT as it's already a derivative. 4-Andro converts to test which can then convert to DHT as far as I know (or estrogen).

PCT is all dependent on how badly the compounds suppress your own natural production. 1-DHEA is often run with an OTC PCT, provided the cycle isn't too long and the dosage isn't too high.
 
If you included 4-Andro with a high enough dose and for long enough, you'd probably need a SERM for PCT and also in the event of estrogen related gyno (if it occurs).
 
Did chest Wednesday, got a great pump felt strong

Competition bench 3 sets of 8 at 215
Close grip 2 sets of 3 at 225
2 sets of 6 1" pause of chest at 185
Lat pull down 2 sets of 10. (Lats were dead)
Shoulder flies 3 sets of 10 25's
Abs
 
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