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3AD- with Ultra-11 eventually

It is a fair point.

A typical workout right now if you look at RP as 2 sets

is about 20-24 with about 6 per muscle group each workout.

Considering switching to U-L-Total Split .

Maybe 4-5 work sets per muscle group on the U/L and 2-3 on the total

Have been extremely lethargic the past few days as well. Maybe from lack of 3AD or is it the addition of the SLU. Haven't loved how I've felt on it for the few short days I've been on it.
 
I listened to a podcast today where they touched on SLU. Apparently it really draws out a lot of your electrolytes, so you really need to keep on top of replenishing or you’re going to feel like sh1t.

Too little info out on SLU atm and it’s too expensive to just blindly buy for me atm. I guess we will see a lot of anecdotal reviews in a few months time on this forum to see if it really works
 
Yes, I think knowing my schedule and timeline I just jumped the gun trying to get lean for vacation. Last time I went to the beach I got extremely lean and I was basically supplement free. This time around an extra kid and some injury stuff made it more difficult. I may run it for the first bottle and hold off on the second. We'll see as far as results go. A little bit more skeptical now that I've had time to reflect on it.

I'll be cutting down on my supplements in general as I haven't found a TON of bang for the buck. It's been good that I've been able to eliminate a lot of stuff that I gave a very generous run but also identified a couple that could be worthwhile to run again.
 
I can vouch for M-Test which I take 365 days a year. It’s great for my hormones and blood work and very affordable.
Anything past that is a luxury, but I’ve done 2 runs of formeron and both have been fantastic. Worth doing if you haven’t done it before
 
Those are two I definitely agree with. That's why I'm torn on the SLU ...I used a few bottles of incinderine and saw absolutely nothing. Formeron was noticeable for sure. I'll be looking back into that post surgery for sure. Outside of some of the health stuff, i've found that the rest are just that, luxuries, that may make a slight difference.

Also, just wanted to say I appreciate your help and following along in this thread
 
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Seeing as you enjoy dabbling in prohormones… I did a run at the beginning of the year, Halodrol (brawn). Stacked it with TD 4DHEA. Gained about 13lbs, lost some fat and literally 0 side effects. If there was any suppression it was negligible. Very hair safe.

Just some food for thought
 
Got 3 AD last night and started back up this morning.

Really surprised that I'm still looking puffy and feeling squishy. I had noticed a solid recomp effect last week or slightly before as noted in this log. Feeling the opposite this week.

I'm wondering if it could be the Slu. I have been taking 2 scoops of Rule Lytes with 2g Agmatine 6 g Citrulline and 1 serving of Mag Cre Chel daily as well.

My plan for the week is to drop Incline Barbell. Drop Volume. Add an extra pump of Ultra 11 on Wed to bring it to 5 and run that for the next 4 weeks. I will be out of Prime and Basis and will be just letting them go.

Unfortunately we have 4 parties on the books this week including a big birthday party my wife's family throws for me. We also have travel next weekend I will be mostly good but I know I won't be 100% to a PSMF or liek that but I should be able to keep carbs 50-100ish most days.

After the 6th outside of one difficult day I should have a very clear window to be super strict before vacation

Yesterday's training (working around shoulder)


Incline DB Press-30 degrees -working around pec stifness/pain. - 25x 20, 40x 12, 50, x10 , 60x 12(5 RIR0 60 x 15 2-3RIR) 75 x 11 (0 RIR) S/S each set with 20-25 TRX rows just focusing on scap positioning
Belt Squat 135- 1 x 50, 1 x 35.
Belt Squat Partials 135-2x30s
Single arm KB press With 3-5s lower 2x 8 super set with seated lateral raise 20's x 8 (2-3 RIR)
Chest Supported row-10s hold +8 reps +5 s hold -75's
Goblet Squat 75lbs 1 x 15
Low cable flye 40lbs (felt ok) 1x 12 ss/Ring pushups 1 x 25 did not feel as good as last week -aggravated things a bit
Single leg curl 1 x 12-20lbs ss with db bicep curl 35 x10 rope oh tricep 80x 12

Also did 5 moin of backward treadmill walking and a 1.5 mile walk. Hit something like that or 30 min on treadmill with sled pushes most days.
 
ironfiend22 said:
Goblet Squat 75lbs 1 x 15
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I've been doing more goblet squat with heavy dumbbells. Definitely takes a lot of pressure off the lower back and spine.
 
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I've been doing more goblet squat with heavy dumbbells. Definitely takes a lot of pressure off the lower back and spine.
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Agreed. I was an early Kettlebell instructor...round 2007 . Got into them post powerlifting days after I saw louie simmons recommend them. I always used KB's and they never felt great heavy. Dumbbells are a game changer!
 
Yesterday

Switched things up a bit

Circuit of

Landmine Press 3x 10 @55lbs 12@50 12 @45
Landmine Lateral Lunge 3 x 12 @ 55lbs 10 @ 75lbs 12@55lbs
Weighted Dead bug with 10lb MB 3 x 12 ea
Seated Cable row with wide ish grip 3 x 12@ 150 12@170 10@ 170

Second Block

Weighted Pushup 35lbs 31x1- 3x12,10,10
Belt Squat RDl 32xx 3x 12 180lbs
Side Plank Row 3 x 20@ 50lbs 20@ 60lbs 15 @ 70lbs

Third Block

Alternating cable reaches (kind of like a flye/press/punch combo mostly to free up upper back and get a little bit of chest 2x 15-20 @ 60lbs . Just going by feel here. Followed up with a couple reps of flyes. Felt mostly good when doing them but stiffened up after so I'll prob just drop flyes from that angle for now or go to iso holds

Leg curl -45lbs 2x15

Bench chin up 2 x6 slow and controlled. Just testing out exercises . These were ok but a bit wonky. will sub next time

Reverse crunch holds 2 x 12-15 breaths

I'm very type A so the switch is tough. I know its necessary for the shoulder. I'm going to start adding in more movement based stuff like crawls, carries, cardio and arm work from specific positions to help free up the shoulder so hopefully that will fill in some of the gaps of things I took out and set up for longer term success.

Bumping up to 5 pumps Ultra 11 today. Prime ran out today, Basis running out today as well (tempted to pick up BMP as a replacement...haha I did say I'm type A).

Just an update of what it currently looks like . 3 strength days per week. 2-3days with sled and maybe bike/sledgehammer work (depends on shoulder) . Sled is usually 5-15 min of continuous push/drag. 30-60 min of walks per day.

Current supplements
Morning . PEA Relief, Elite Curcumin, Cissus. Polygala, Sabroxy, Tyrosine. 2 caps DCP. 2 Basis. 1 Urolithin B. 1. 1 GlucoV 1 tab SLU

Post shower - Ultra 11x5 and 3ADx3
Lots of coffee lol.

Pre training. 6 Prime. 3 ATP Elite . 2 Amento 1 Urolithin B.
Drink - MCC, 2g Agmatine, 6gCitrulline 2 scoops Rule 1 Lytes.

Afternoon 2 DCP. 2 Lean Edge 500mg Tyrosine

1 tab SLU late afternoon

Pre Dinner (been doing OMAD) . 2 Caps DCP 3 Caps Defuse (recently) 2 Caps slintensity

1lb of ground turkey at 94% or ground beef at 92% or 1-1.5lbs chicken breast.

1- 1/2 Cup greek yogurt, splenda , handful of rasperries, 1/4 C high protein granola

That's usually 4- 5 days per week.

After dinner. 1 Cap Uro B, 2 caps Jarrow Broccomax, 1 Cap Alpha One, 2 Caps DCP. 3 Prime. ZMA

I had taken M-Test for about a year. The basis and prime will be done like I said. Will probably add MTest back in after this run
 
How are you feeling now you’re back on 3AD?

I’ve been on M-Test for 18 months straight now, how did you feel when you dropped it?
 
I feel like energy is up a bit now that 3AD is back. Not quite as sluggish as I was for the few days.

Honestly, not too different without M-Test maybe a slight drop in libido . Will be interesting to see if anything changes when I add it back in.
 
Today


Hit ten minutes of sled push/drag
1 mile on Echo bike
Then hit a circuit of

A1. Bicep Curl 35 x 10,10,8
A2. Tricep single arm over head ext 30lbs 3x 10
A3. Lateral Raise 20's 3x 10

B1. Hammer curl 35's 2x8
B2. Tricep Pushdown 90lbs 2x12
B3. Incline Bench Y's, T's and A's with scap Abduction each position 5's- 2 x 10-12 ea position

C1. cable curl -60lbs 2x 20
C2 Band tricep Ext 11/4 in band 2x 20
C3 Band Reach + Pull apart 2 x20

Everything away from failure

10 min carry circuit-35lbs KB-don't put bell down

1rm farmer x 30 yds each -10 min
Rock Carry x 60 yards
Bottoms up carry-15 yards ea arm

3 miles of walking too
 
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Today


Hit ten minutes of sled push/drag
1 mile on Echo bike
Then hit a circuit of

A1. Bicep Curl 35 x 10,10,8
A2. Tricep single arm over head ext 30lbs 3x 10
A3. Lateral Raise 20's 3x 10

B1. Hammer curl 35's 2x8
B2. Tricep Pushdown 90lbs 2x12
B3. Incline Bench Y's, T's and A's with scap Abduction each position 5's- 2 x 10-12 ea position

C1. cable curl -60lbs 2x 20
C2 Band tricep Ext 11/4 in band 2x 20
C3 Band Reach + Pull apart 2 x20

Everything away from failure

10 min carry circuit-35lbs KB-don't put bell down

1rm farmer x 30 yds each -10 min
Rock Carry x 60 yards
Bottoms up carry-15 yards ea arm

3 miles of walking too
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Solid workout! Those farmer carries will get your heart rate up for sure!
 
Yesterday

Circuit -

Incline DB Press 32xx 65x,12,10,10- Din't feel too heavy just bothered the pec a bit
Belt Squat Box Squat 245 x 12,12,12
W Grip Pull down 180 3x 12
Bosu Sit up 3x 10

Pushup 3x 30
FFE Split Squat 45's 3x 12
One arm Dumbbell row 65lbs 2x 20 1 s pause up top
Lateral Crunch 3 x12

Bottoms up KB Press 35lbs 2x8
single leg curl -10lbs 2x15
Rear Delt TRX Row 1x15 1x 12
Hollow Hold 2 x30s

Today.

10 min reverse sled drag
1 mile as quickly as I could on Assault bike 2:29
5 min crawls

circuit 1
incline Db curl 35's 10,9,7
Rope Tri ext - 70lbs 15,12,12
cable lateral raise 20lbs 3x 12
circuit 2
chest supported db curl 25's 2x 12
seated dip machine 150lbs 2x 12
DB upright row 40's 12, 11
circuit 3
cable hammer curl 2 x 15-70lbs
Band tricep pushdown 2 x 20
prone I Y T A -2's 2x 15

walked a total of 6 miles + whatever I did at work too
 
Birthday yesterday which involved a bunch of 93% lean burgers, applegate hotdogs, a little tiramisu and a fair share of beers by the pool

Woke up early though and got a workout in along with 3 miles of walking and some lawn mowing.

Circuit 1
60 degree incline press 60's 3x 11

Belt squat Split Squats 75lbs 3x 10

Chest Supported Row 60's -15-15,13

Meadball deadbug -20lbs 3x 12

Circuit 2

Weighted pushup -45lbs 1 sec pause at bottom 3x12
Alternating lat Pull down - 80lbs 20, 90lbs x14
hamstring curl -55lbs 2 x12
Bench Side Plank crunches- 2 x12

Circuit 3

TRX Row - 2 x 20
Yoga pushup 2x12
DB Goblet Squat -60lbs -2x 15
TRX Fallout 2x8

Hit one walk today and going to try to get an additional in along with some arm work
 
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Birthday yesterday which involved a bunch of 93% lean burgers, applegate hotdogs, a little tiramisu and a fair share of beers by the pool
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That sounds like a good birthday to me!
 
Today hit a little strength/glycogen depletion workout. Strength numbers are down a bit but it was a decent workout in the heat. The pec/bicep tendon only flared a little here and there.


Round one :
Alternating Landmine Press 50lbs x 11. ea
Landmine Lateral Lunge 50lbs x 15 ea
seated straight bar cable row-pronated -200lbs x 12
leg curl 60lbs x 12
Weighted pushup 80lbs x 6 ( 65lb bag and 55lb plates in use)
Belt squat -235x12
seated pulldown 200 x12
deadbug with 25lbs x 12
lateral hip drop crunch x12


Round two :
Alternating Landmine Press 45lbs x 13. ea
Landmine Lateral Lunge 45lbs x 15 ea
seated straight bar cable row-pronated -180lbs x 15
leg curl 50lbs x 13
Weighted pushup 25lbs x 20
Belt squat -205 x15
seated pulldown 180 x12
deadbug with 10lbs x 15
lateral hip drop crunch x12

Round three :
Alternating Landmine Press 35lbs x 18. ea
Landmine Lateral Lunge 35lbs x 22 ea
seated straight bar cable row-pronated -160lbs x 20
leg curl 35lbs x 20
Weighted pushup 25lbs x 20
Belt squat -185 x20
seated pulldown 160 x18
deadbug with 10lbs x 15
lateral hip drop crunch x12

30 min walk in plus a lot of movement at work today.

I will say I haven't noticed a ton of difference in body comp. I'd say slight changes. But I'm honestly not sure if its super different beyond what I'd expect with the diet and cardio I've been doing on top of training.
 
Hit Ten minutes of sled pushes and drags
10 minutes of crawls
1 mile sprint on bike
Arm circuit:
Bicep curl 3x3x 10,8,6 30lbs
Rope tricep 3x3x 3x 12-70lbs
Hammer curl -25lbs 3x3x 2x10
Rope Overhead ext -80lbs 3x3x 2x 12
Chest supported dumbbell curl 1x 10-25lbs
Band pushdown 1x15

KB Carry Circuit 10min
Rock Carry
1 arm Farmer Carry
Overhead carry each arm

5 miles of walks plus work on the floor for 5 hours
 
Today will be the completion of 8 weeks on 3AD with 2 days off while I waited for additional bottles to ship.
I'm 5 weeks into Ultra 11. This is the middle of week 2 on 5 pumps per day.
This is also week 3 of SLU.

Additional supps- Urolithin B, Mag Cre Chelate, agmatine 2g and citrulline 9g. Amentoflavone x 2 Electrolytes. Glucovantage x2 per day DCP 3x per day, Defuse before nightly meal. Lean Edge 2x 3x day



90 % of the week is OMAD 1g protein per lb of bw. 2 servings veggies. Carbs Fluctuate between 25-75g during week. One day of 2-350 per week.

Cardio at 30 min per day plus an additional walk.

I'm not sure if I should have started the Ultra 11 at 5 pumps sooner. But honestly, I have not noticed much of a difference. I'm a little surprised. Over the past 8 weeks. I'm down around 6lbs. This go round has been tougher because of life. But I would say that's on par with a normal 8 week focus on leaning out without getting too aggressive. This has been more aggressive with the above added products so I think I'm going to chalk this up as a miss for me. Not thrilled with the condition I'll be in for vacation. Theres still two and half weeks to go so I'll ride it out. But I just wanted to give an overview of where I'm at so far with out having to read through a workout.
 
ironfiend22 said:
Cardio at 30 min per day plus an additional walk.
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I need to start doing this everyday. I typically will hit 20-30 minutes cardio 3 times a week and try to walk ~ 20 minutes every morning.
 
Catching up here.

Wed had a pretty solid session though shoulder flared up after a bit.
Circuit
Incline Db bench 30 deg - 70's x 14 I ( still dealing with a some tension/pain) . 60's 2x 20,19 (these actually felt very good)
Belt Squat RDL- 245 3x15
One arm Row- 70x 15, 60 x20, x18
Modified reverse crunch 3x8-10

Round 2
Viking strict press on landmine Bar +100lbs - 3 x 12
Leg Ext 115 x 15,14,13
Chin up- messed around with these since i haven't been able to do them 3x 6,6,7 (easy but stopped when shoulder would tighten
Slideboard mtn climb - 3x 10ea

Round 3
RIng pushup 25 (felt bad) went to hold and partials for second set 20+15s hold. felt better.
Catching up here.

Wed had a pretty solid session though shoulder flared up after a bit.
Circuit
Incline Db bench 30 deg - 70's x 14 I ( still dealing with a some tension/pain) . 60's 2x 20,19 (these actually felt very good)
Belt Squat RDL- 245 3x15
One arm Row- 70x 15, 60 x20, x18
Modified reverse crunch 3x8-10

Round 2
Viking strict press on landmine Bar +100lbs - 3 x 12
Split Squat -60x 10, 45 x 15,x 15
Chin up- messed around with these since i haven't been able to do them 3x 6,6,7 (easy but stopped when shoulder would tighten
Slideboard mtn climb - 3x 10ea

Round 3
RIng pushup 25 (felt bad) went to hold and partials for second set 20+15s hold. felt better.
Catching up here.

Wed had a pretty solid session though shoulder flared up after a bit.
Circuit
Incline Db bench 30 deg - 70's x 14 I ( still dealing with a some tension/pain) . 60's 2x 20,19 (these actually felt very good)
Belt Squat RDL- 245 3x15
One arm Row- 70x 15, 60 x20, x18
Modified reverse crunch 3x8-10

Round 2
Viking strict press on landmine Bar +100lbs - 3 x 12
Split Squat -60x 10ea , 45,x 15 x15
Chin up- messed around with these since i haven't been able to do them 3x 6,6,7 (easy but stopped when shoulder would tighten
Slideboard mtn climb - 3x 10ea

Round 3
RIng pushup 25 (felt bad) went to hold and partials for second set 20+15s hold. felt better.
Leg Ext-115 -14,14
TRX Row 3x 30
Pallof press 2x12

Thursday
250yds hand over hand sled pulls with 125lbs
10 min reverse sled drag-125
8 round tabata
rope waves, 20lb MB Slam, Burpee, Bear crawl
2 miles on bike

Later on 30 min dog walk, 20 min treadmill

Today
circuit
60deg incline bench 60's 3x 12,11,11
High box belt squat 235x 25 (too high) 265 x 15, 265 x 15 +10s hold
One arm cable row 70 x 25 (too light) 100 x 11, 90 x 13
Med ball pullover dead bug- 10lbs 3x 12
Round 2
Pushup 35lbs 32x1 2x12 1 x bw x 30
Single leg curl 20lbs x 12 x 10
Chin up x 6,6,8
Lateral bench crunch 2x 12

Felt back tewak a bit on last leg curl so I cut it there because i had to work the afternoon. Short dog walk -40 min treadmill at an easier pace
 
Yesterday hit 10 minutes of sled push. Assault Bike Tabata and 10 minutes of hand over hand sled pulls a little heavier than the other day. 20 minutes of walk after.

3 different parties yesterday. Stuck to mostly chicken, salad and green beans. 1 party cut steak and cheese (tiny) and 1 light beer.

I think I'm going to take today off fully and eat relaxed. Just a little burnt out.

I will re-group for the next week/two weeks. I've accepted I'll just be showing up on vacation well outside my best.

I'm glad others have had success with these products. I'm currently at 8weeks going on week 9 of 3AD and week 5 going on 6 of Ultra 11. It's been the last two weeks at the full 5 pumps. I just have not . I would be ok with the lack of additional bodyfat loss if I saw huge increases in muscle hardness or a muscular look but they're just not there really .

Considering dropping the 3AD this week. Possibly adding in some epiandro orally to give the skin a break and try to increase definition. Not sure.

I used Ultra hard for a bit. last year but stopped due to increased hair shed after two weeks. I did see a very noticeable leaning during week 1 though. May try that for week of vacation.

Will have to give this some thought this week. May consider dropping both? I keep hoping that maybe the 11-KT at 5 pumps may just take until week 3 or 4 to see a dramatic shift but probably wishful thinking on my part.

Considering all of these with the SLU ( not to mention all of the SNS/CEL/Evomuse stuff) a pretty expensive run. Live and learn I suppose ( for me personally that is -ymmv)
 
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Yesterday hit 10 minutes of sled push. Assault Bike Tabata and 10 minutes of hand over hand sled pulls a little heavier than the other day. 20 minutes of walk after.

3 different parties yesterday. Stuck to mostly chicken, salad and green beans. 1 party cut steak and cheese (tiny) and 1 light beer.

I think I'm going to take today off fully and eat relaxed. Just a little burnt out.

I will re-group for the next week/two weeks. I've accepted I'll just be showing up on vacation well outside my best.

I'm glad others have had success with these products. I'm currently at 8weeks going on week 9 of 3AD and week 5 going on 6 of Ultra 11. It's been the last two weeks at the full 5 pumps. I just have not . I would be ok with the lack of additional bodyfat loss if I saw huge increases in muscle hardness or a muscular look but they're just not there really .

Considering dropping the 3AD this week. Possibly adding in some epiandro orally to give the skin a break and try to increase definition. Not sure.

I used Ultra hard for a bit. last year but stopped due to increased hair shed after two weeks. I did see a very noticeable leaning during week 1 though. May try that for week of vacation.

Will have to give this some thought this week. May consider dropping both? I keep hoping that maybe the 11-KT at 5 pumps may just take until week 3 or 4 to see a dramatic shift but probably wishful thinking on my part.

Considering all of these with the SLU ( not to mention all of the SNS/CEL/Evomuse stuff) a pretty expensive run. Live and learn I suppose ( for me personally that is -ymmv)
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Thanks for the updates. My experience thus far was that 3AD kicks in earlier for me than the 11kt products and that the various 11kt topicals I've used were kind of an icing on the cake, just giving me that little bit more. I used to in the past just go nuts with running the kitchen sink and then realized it made it tough to gauge what was doing the work. Sorry to hear it's not going as planned for ya.
 
Thank you . I felt gret my first two weeks wit 3 AD but i never felt like the results compounded. 11KT i'm not sure . We shall see. I'm not trying to discourage companies or ppl from trying things. Between 3ad/11KT and SLu besides anything else though it was an expensive cycle. I'm just being as authentic as I can be here
 
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Thank you . I felt gret my first two weeks wit 3 AD but i never felt like the results compounded. 11KT i'm not sure . We shall see. I'm not trying to discourage companies or ppl from trying things. Between 3ad/11KT and SLu besides anything else though it was an expensive cycle. I'm just being as authentic as I can be here
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Honest feedback is appreciated, thank you! I can see where that would be an expensive cycle, I get it. Especially if you're not seeing the results you thought you'd get. I did love 3AD first time I ran it, still really like it this time, the transdermal is definitely stronger. 11kt has never done much for me, but I'm also not dosing it high, so partly my fault. My main goal with my run was a stack that was reasonably priced and not overly toxic ( bought everything on sale and the PCT will be minimal) so I feel like on that end mission accomplished. I also knew that it wouldn't be a monstrous gains stack but something slow and steady while being hopefully more maintainable. Throw in that I'm also eating at maintenance or below so I can recomp, so any benefits I get will be a huge plus.

Good luck for the rest of your run!
 
Yesterday was a very solid session . Just trying to hit a decent strength set and then let rest fall in by feel

Circuit 1
Alt Landmine Press 55lbs x 12,10, 50lbsx 12
Belt Squat 205 x 15,15,20
Seated row V handle 180, 20, 200 x 14, pronated grip x 15 @180
Deadbug with 10lb ball 3x12

Circuit 2
Weighted pushup-hands elevated 45lbs x 14, x 12. Bw 1 1/2 reps x 16
Leg curl -10 -20s hold- 10 partials-10s hold- 35lbs x 3
TRX row 3x 20
Side plank lateral crunch 3x 12

Circuit 3.
lateral raise 15's 1x 15+5+5
KPulley row -1 x 30s ea side
single leg leg ext 1 x20 ea with 35lbs

I'm in the middle of a fast. Was going to go for 48-72 hours . Water /coffee only with some electrolytes but forgot I have a business lunch. May end it tonight who knows. 4 hours away from 48 hours.

Hit 10 min of reverse sled drags this morning alternated with crawling
Assault Bike Tabata with the 2 and 4 min warmup/cooldown
5 rounds of battle ropes 1 min on 30s off
dog walk for 30 min

Going to try and hit the treadmill for 30-60 min
 
Today I'm going to be finishing up a fast. I'm on hour 65 currently. Going to shoot for 72. Only thing I've had is water/coffee, electrolytes/supps and 1 bowl of plain broth with salt/salt lite and pepper since Sunday

So far today I hit a circuit of


incline DB bench-30 deg 75 x 10 75x8 65x13 1 (1-2 RIR)
Belt Squat RDL 205 x 15- 245x 15 245x18
Chest Supported row 75x 12 75 x 10 65x17
Cable Rotations to pallof press 3x10

Landmine Viking strict press. 100lbs 2x 12
Chin up 1x 8 1x9
Split Sqyat 65 ea hand x 12 x8
Mountain climber with sliders -2 x 12
sliding leg curl 2 x 10

That was good enough considering the fast. Then a 20 minute dog walk in the very hot outdoors. May try to hit a treadmill sesh after work before breaking the fast.
 
Hit that treadmill session yesterday for 2 miles.

Today was Sled Sprints 10:20 x8 with heavy-ish sled
Heavy hand over hand sled pulls x 10 min
Bike sprint 4x 30s
KB rock carryx 10 min
5 min of crawls

Dog walk then cut the grass...maybe treadmill again later.

Was considering fasting tonight but will prob hit 1 meal.

I think my plan will be to run 3 AD through the weekend. Then Slowly add in some epi andro/ultra hard next week peaking at 5 pumps UH fpr 2-3 days to dry out while then stepping down the 11 KT and getting off completely while the vacation is happening
 
Thank you! Haha. I'm way off what I once was though.

Setting a 2 year goal for myself to show up at 45 with some numbers that mean something to me and in good shape.

@LeanEngineer and @subweevil . I'm not super experienced with pro hormones a couple posts above I outlined my plan to transition to Epi/Ultrahard while stepping down the 3AD and the 11KT. This is for aesthetics only really. Does that look ok? My plan was to start Inhibit E, Cloma Plex and Alpha Gel that week too so it was in the system for the following week.
 
ironfiend22 said:
Thank you! Haha. I'm way off what I once was though.

Setting a 2 year goal for myself to show up at 45 with some numbers that mean something to me and in good shape.

@LeanEngineer and @subweevil . I'm not super experienced with pro hormones a couple posts above I outlined my plan to transition to Epi/Ultrahard while stepping down the 3AD and the 11KT. This is for aesthetics only really. Does that look ok? My plan was to start Inhibit E, Cloma Plex and Alpha Gel that week too so it was in the system for the following week.
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I did clomaplex & alpha gel stacked together recently. It actually dropped by e2 by a lot, so I would caution against using both together, pick one or the other
 
ironfiend22 said:
Thank you! Haha. I'm way off what I once was though.

Setting a 2 year goal for myself to show up at 45 with some numbers that mean something to me and in good shape.

@LeanEngineer and @subweevil . I'm not super experienced with pro hormones a couple posts above I outlined my plan to transition to Epi/Ultrahard while stepping down the 3AD and the 11KT. This is for aesthetics only really. Does that look ok? My plan was to start Inhibit E, Cloma Plex and Alpha Gel that week too so it was in the system for the following week.
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I'd say good luck, but you don't need that seeing as how you've got a solid plan and are putting in the work!

I'm not very well versed on pro hormones either than what I have ran. I like epi, gives me a good aggression and an some muscle hardening. Straight epi I see nothing wrong with as long as expectations are reasonable. Not a bash on anyone or any product, I personally do feel it's not super strong but does give a boost and is good for aesthetics. I've enjoyed every run with it, but for me 3AD is way better in every faucet. This is what's rough, not everyone responds the same way, so I only offer advice if I've actually used something and only listen if someone is talking from experience.

If you've ran those supplements before, then you know what to expect. If not, you won't be fully able to know what they are contributing and what they are not, some will argue run the kitchen sink, me personally, I would like to know what was responsible for what, only way to do that is solo. I would caution too much e control, with that stack, unless you know something I don't. SNS and Steve are very supportive on this board, I can personally vouch for their quality, might be a good question for him As is Iconic and Rob but you seem to be a non-responder. This is what makes it tough for recommending a course of action.

I don't see anything wrong per se of running that stack, just trying to give you some pointers. Hope this helps and always happy to help.
 
subweevil said:
I'd say good luck, but you don't need that seeing as how you've got a solid plan and are putting in the work!

I'm not very well versed on pro hormones either than what I have ran. I like epi, gives me a good aggression and an some muscle hardening. Straight epi I see nothing wrong with as long as expectations are reasonable. Not a bash on anyone or any product, I personally do feel it's not super strong but does give a boost and is good for aesthetics. I've enjoyed every run with it, but for me 3AD is way better in every faucet. This is what's rough, not everyone responds the same way, so I only offer advice if I've actually used something and only listen if someone is talking from experience.

If you've ran those supplements before, then you know what to expect. If not, you won't be fully able to know what they are contributing and what they are not, some will argue run the kitchen sink, me personally, I would like to know what was responsible for what, only way to do that is solo. I would caution too much e control, with that stack, unless you know something I don't. SNS and Steve are very supportive on this board, I can personally vouch for their quality, might be a good question for him As is Iconic and Rob but you seem to be a non-responder. This is what makes it tough for recommending a course of action.

I don't see anything wrong per se of running that stack, just trying to give you some pointers. Hope this helps and always happy to help.
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I agree with this. No issues from my perspective on running what you have outlined.
 
subweevil said:
I'd say good luck, but you don't need that seeing as how you've got a solid plan and are putting in the work!

I'm not very well versed on pro hormones either than what I have ran. I like epi, gives me a good aggression and an some muscle hardening. Straight epi I see nothing wrong with as long as expectations are reasonable. Not a bash on anyone or any product, I personally do feel it's not super strong but does give a boost and is good for aesthetics. I've enjoyed every run with it, but for me 3AD is way better in every faucet. This is what's rough, not everyone responds the same way, so I only offer advice if I've actually used something and only listen if someone is talking from experience.

If you've ran those supplements before, then you know what to expect. If not, you won't be fully able to know what they are contributing and what they are not, some will argue run the kitchen sink, me personally, I would like to know what was responsible for what, only way to do that is solo. I would caution too much e control, with that stack, unless you know something I don't. SNS and Steve are very supportive on this board, I can personally vouch for their quality, might be a good question for him As is Iconic and Rob but you seem to be a non-responder. This is what makes it tough for recommending a course of action.

I don't see anything wrong per se of running that stack, just trying to give you some pointers. Hope this helps and always happy to help.
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Awesome! Thank you! Oh and it seems to me like Rob and Iconic are a great company. I'm sad that I'm not a great responder. Says nothing about the quality of the product. I saw a lot of people saying they had great results without changing diet too much etc. That's what left me a little surprised.

I agree with you on the epi and I wouldn't be looking for performance benefits anyway much more the muscle hardening/aesthetics at this point.

Huge party last night that my wife hosted for co workers...the food and beverages were ...not good lol. Now we have a ton left and a family birthday party I was unaware of.

Plan is to try and take today as a maintenance -ish day. Then I'm going to hit another fast and some very light cardio.
 
ironfiend22 said:
Awesome! Thank you! Oh and it seems to me like Rob and Iconic are a great company. I'm sad that I'm not a great responder. Says nothing about the quality of the product. I saw a lot of people saying they had great results without changing diet too much etc. That's what left me a little surprised.

I agree with you on the epi and I wouldn't be looking for performance benefits anyway much more the muscle hardening/aesthetics at this point.

Huge party last night that my wife hosted for co workers...the food and beverages were ...not good lol. Now we have a ton left and a family birthday party I was unaware of.

Plan is to try and take today as a maintenance -ish day. Then I'm going to hit another fast and some very light cardio.
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You are most welcome. Rob has gone above and beyond with customer support, for me as well as others. A true testament is him anticipating an issue, through no fault of his own and going above and beyond, I was pleasantly surprised and very grateful. At my age, I'm old enough to remember when that meant something, for me, it still does. The great taste of low price sours when the cost of poor customer service happens. I haven't always responded well to things either, it happens. Sometimes, there are underlying issues we don't know, other times, chalk it up to non-responder.

I guess the positive is with it not being good, not temptations lol.

I Love fasting and then eating at maintenance to break it, makes me a beast at the gym, go crush it!
 
subweevil said:
I Love fasting and then eating at maintenance to break it, makes me a beast at the gym, go crush it!
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Definitely mentally strengthens me if I do this :LOL:
 
Wound up with a 48 hour fast . Just hit dog walks outside of lifting. Time clogged up with some work/family stuff. Broke Fast with 160g protein 23g fat and 30g carbs.

Monday set a 30 min timer

Alternating Landmine Press 60x 8, 50 x12,50x11 50 x1045x12
Belt squat -265 x 15 x 15 x 12 x 10,x 10
chin up x 8, 10,x 10 x9 x9
dead bug x 12

Block B - 20 min
Pushup -45lbs -15-12-12
leg extension -110lbs - -14-13-13
TRX row - 3 x12 reps

Tuesday
Sled push-10min
Hand over hand sled pull-10 min
Bike sprint -1 mile
rope wave 1min on 30 off

Today.
30 min timer

30deg incline db 80's for 8 ish reps, 65 x 13, 12,10,12
Belt Squat RDL- 245 15,15,15,15,12
Pullup x 6 x8 , 10,10, 9

20 min block b
Landmine viking strict press -100 -12,12 11,10
seated row - neutral grip- 150 x 25 , 180 x 20,20 200
goblet squat -narrow stance 3x12

dropped down to 2 3 ad pumps today - Kept the 5 ultra 11. I should have some of each left but it seems like both were out or the pumps were acting up. We shall see. Added 300mg oral epiandro before workout today.

This may switch up quite a bit haha.

A little disappointed I didn't keep up with the multiple cardio sessions or add in a little extra fast but this may be what it is at this point
 
Respect on the 48 hour fast, most I can ever do is 24 or a bit more. Just get too hypo, open for advice. I've resorted to sleeping after 24 hours lol but can't cause I get such a headache and my stomach won't shut up.
 
subweevil said:
Respect on the 48 hour fast, most I can ever do is 24 or a bit more. Just get too hypo, open for advice. I've resorted to sleeping after 24 hours lol but can't cause I get such a headache and my stomach won't shut up.
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Same here. Most i've done is 24 hours so far but really want to push myself and go for 72 hours in the near future. It's the going to bed hungry part that I'm not looking forward to ha.
 
LeanEngineer said:
Same here. Most i've done is 24 hours so far but really want to push myself and go for 72 hours in the near future. It's the going to bed hungry part that I'm not looking forward to ha.
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That's okay, dod what I do and sleep through it (lol if you can).
 
Couldn't tell you for sure, don't think it will cause an insulinogenic response. I'm just so drained I can usually pass right out lol. I know magnesium does it for me, it's a night time staple!
 
Just an update... tweaked my back at the end of the week . Still got some workouts in but didn't go crazy with cardio.

On vacay now.... worked up tp 5 pumps ultra hard and 3Ad was dropped last week. Ultra 11 is down to 3 pumps and will step down to 1 pump over next couple days off by Friday. Stepping down UH as well. Down to 3 today with 1 cap epiandro lean

What is the equivalent of transdermal epi to oral?

Looked pretty good on Thurs and Fri but wasn't super excited with w I showed up on Sun. Oh well I guess. Going to try to just enjoy myself the rest of the week. Either no breakfast or a david bar. one walk per day. Might do two bw workouts and then just let it rip for afternoon/dinners. Thanks for following along.
 
LeanEngineer said:
ZMA crew! I've been doing it for years!
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It calms my mind beautifully. I also add in l-ornithine and l-arginine, and some r alpha lipoic acid. ZMA is cheap and effective for me. I could get by in a pinch with just magnesium, but the stack works really well for me.
 
ironfiend22 said:
Just an update... tweaked my back at the end of the week . Still got some workouts in but didn't go crazy with cardio.

On vacay now.... worked up tp 5 pumps ultra hard and 3Ad was dropped last week. Ultra 11 is down to 3 pumps and will step down to 1 pump over next couple days off by Friday. Stepping down UH as well. Down to 3 today with 1 cap epiandro lean

What is the equivalent of transdermal epi to oral?

Looked pretty good on Thurs and Fri but wasn't super excited with w I showed up on Sun. Oh well I guess. Going to try to just enjoy myself the rest of the week. Either no breakfast or a david bar. one walk per day. Might do two bw workouts and then just let it rip for afternoon/dinners. Thanks for following along.
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That's the hardest part for me, coming down from a cycle. Good log and detail, thanks again for putting everything out there for us!
 
subweevil said:
It calms my mind beautifully. I also add in l-ornithine and l-arginine, and some r alpha lipoic acid. ZMA is cheap and effective for me. I could get by in a pinch with just magnesium, but the stack works really well for me.
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I throw in some valerian root in the evening with it and really helps me fall asleep.
 
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