300mg epicatechin

coltonwalker

coltonwalker

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Was browsing the ol' amazon and came across element nutraceuticals epicatechin product. 60 capsules 300mg epicatechin per capsules, 200mg green tea, and 100mg capsorb. Anyone ever tried this? Never seen a product with 300mg in 1 cap at 98%
 
They also offer ARA capsules fairly priced with 350 mg as opposed to the 250 found in x-gels. I wonder how their source is.
 
I would make sure it is a reliable company. I know many people who got crap off of amazon thinking it was a good product.
 
nick76 said:
They also offer ARA capsules fairly priced with 350 mg as opposed to the 250 found in x-gels. I wonder how their source is.
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Its not 350mg Arachidonic acid. It is 350 of powder, of which 5% is Ara. So it's not a good deal at all.
 
cheftepesh1 said:
I would make sure it is a reliable company. I know many people who got crap off of amazon thinking it was a good product.
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This. If it sounds too good to be true or out of the ordinary it's probably not the best quality. I would stick with OL or BLR or Vital Labs if you're looking for an epicatechin product.
 
nick76 said:
The gods have spoken and SNS will remain king
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It's unfortunate that they do not disclose the amount of Arachidonic Acid it is standardised for. We have 625mg of Ara oil per capsule, and so if we just stated that number without the standardization, it would look like an amazing amount per capsule. But ours is at 40% Ara, and we licence the ingredient as well. You can be sure these guys do not.
 
Jiigzz said:
Its not 350mg Arachidonic acid. It is 350 of powder, of which 5% is Ara. So it's not a good deal at all.
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Not saying that you are wrong, but how do you know it is powder and 5%? There is no information on the label. Reviews seem to be alright
 
coltonwalker said:
Was browsing the ol' amazon and came across element nutraceuticals epicatechin product. 60 capsules 300mg epicatechin per capsules, 200mg green tea, and 100mg capsorb. Anyone ever tried this? Never seen a product with 300mg in 1 cap at 98%
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nutra innovations- not what you mentioned sells epicatechin at 300 mgs per cap- and NutraChem can vouch for our quality tallguy34 as well
 
Jiigzz said:
It's unfortunate that they do not disclose the amount of Arachidonic Acid it is standardised for. We have 625mg of Ara oil per capsule, and so if we just stated that number without the standardization, it would look like an amazing amount per capsule. But ours is at 40% Ara, and we licence the ingredient as well. You can be sure these guys do not.
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bam

sorry felt the need for that lol
 
mbonheur said:
Not saying that you are wrong, but how do you know it is powder and 5%? There is no information on the label. Reviews seem to be alright
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Because I'm a genius.

Plus the "other" ingredients tells me the same. Could be wrong, butbif its not a soft gel, it wont be an oil. And powder is generally 5%
 
mbonheur said:
Not saying that you are wrong, but how do you know it is powder and 5%? There is no information on the label. Reviews seem to be alright
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There are reviews for a lot of things that legimately do nothing. Obviously this will do something, but reviews are highly susceptible to placebo.

By all means go ahead and buy, but just dont think it is 350mg of Ara per cap. Even more skeptical is non disclosure
 
With Serious Nutrition Solutions products, you know how many mgs of a specific ingredient you are getting. No prop blends and the popularity and support of many members hear speaks volumes to the quality of the products.

With that said, look into CEL (sister company to SNS) epi-plex. No prop blend for epi so you know how much epicatechin you are getting.
 
Jiigzz said:
There are reviews for a lot of things that legimately do nothing. Obviously this will do something, but reviews are highly susceptible to placebo.

By all means go ahead and buy, but just dont think it is 350mg of Ara per cap. Even more skeptical is non disclosure
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I won't buy it as there is no disclosure, was just wondering how you could know the numbers. I can't even find whether it is a softgel or not and for instance, there was a reputable UK supplier in the past that offered a 10% powder and not 5%.

You call it genius, I call it pure speculation if you have not actually seen or tested the product. It could be worse or better, no way to actually know.

And about the reviews I agree, especially since I joined this message board.
 
mbonheur said:
I won't buy it as there is no disclosure, was just wondering how you could know the numbers. I can't even find whether it is a softgel or not and for instance, there was a reputable UK supplier in the past that offered a 10% powder and not 5%.

You call it genius, I call it pure speculation if you have not actually seen or tested the product. It could be worse or better, no way to actually know.

And about the reviews I agree, especially since I joined this message board.
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Even at 10% of 350mg, you're looking at 35mg of Ara per cap. Considering results are best seen at near a gram, it's a long way to go to get there.

It seems to fit the paradigm for capsule/ powder and not for an oil, given the extras. When the person who bought it receives it, I'm sure they can let us know
 
Jiigzz said:
Even at 10% of 350mg, you're looking at 35mg of Ara per cap. Considering results are best seen at near a gram, it's a long way to go to get there.

It seems to fit the paradigm for capsule/ powder and not for an oil, given the extras. When the person who bought it receives it, I'm sure they can let us know
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I agree with all of this and I would never buy it, but as there is no way to know it is still difficult to judge. In theory, there could be about 1,7g per cap standardized at 20% leading to 350mg ArA, but could also be 350 of non standardized powder.
 
nick76 said:
They also offer ARA capsules fairly priced with 350 mg as opposed to the 250 found in x-gels. I wonder how their source is.
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Do not buy this!
 
Early next year, I plan on running Magnitropin with MyoE so if all goes as planned and I run it, it'll be 300mg of epi with a bunch of other goodies.
 
Jiigzz said:
Even at 10% of 350mg, you're looking at 35mg of Ara per cap. Considering results are best seen at near a gram, it's a long way to go to get there.

It seems to fit the paradigm for capsule/ powder and not for an oil, given the extras. When the person who bought it receives it, I'm sure they can let us know
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There is a guy with videos on youtube that sells some products including ARA,is that one crap too?
 
mbonheur said:
Not saying that you are wrong, but how do you know it is powder and 5%? There is no information on the label. Reviews seem to be alright
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I contacted them a while back, and they confirmed that it was either 5 or 10% ara. Their rationale for doing this is that if you pay attention to the oil based products "there is no way that you are getting 250mg per cap." I was then warned not to dose enough to get 250 mg of the powder (7-8 caps).
 
banjobounce said:
I contacted them a while back, and they confirmed that it was either 5 or 10% ara. Their rationale for doing this is that if you pay attention to the oil based products "there is no way that you are getting 250mg per cap." I was then warned not to dose enough to get 250 mg of the powder (7-8 caps).
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They confirmed it was either 5% or 10%? So, they confirmed nothing?

Sketchy, still. Lol
 
banjobounce said:
I contacted them a while back, and they confirmed that it was either 5 or 10% ara. Their rationale for doing this is that if you pay attention to the oil based products "there is no way that you are getting 250mg per cap." I was then warned not to dose enough to get 250 mg of the powder (7-8 caps).
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"no way" except for the fact that MN and SNS use the same source for the ArA aka the patent holder.
 
banjobounce said:
I contacted them a while back, and they confirmed that it was either 5 or 10% ara. Their rationale for doing this is that if you pay attention to the oil based products "there is no way that you are getting 250mg per cap." I was then warned not to dose enough to get 250 mg of the powder (7-8 caps).
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We have 250mg per cap. That I promise you. We source it from the patent holder.
 
Back to the title question, if any of you have taken 300mg of epicatechin before, what did you get from it. I've never taken it all but when I run MyoE and Mag, I'll have 300mg at once and I may even toss in ABE to bump up the Cistanche dose in combination with the Mag
 
jathan_howe said:
Back to the title question, if any of you have taken 300mg of epicatechin before, what did you get from it. I've never taken it all but when I run MyoE and Mag, I'll have 300mg at once and I may even toss in ABE to bump up the Cistanche dose in combination with the Mag
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I believe the original olympus labs Ep1c was dosed at 300mg epicatechin per capsule. Of course it had no absorption enhancers because it was a first generation product. None the less, I've ran a few bottles of the OG version when it first came out and enjoyed it. Noticed endurance benefits and energy when taken before a workout.
 
jathan_howe said:
No endurance or anything? I was never onboard with myostatin inhibition from an OTC supp, but it seemed to have other nice benefits
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Nope. I do 45 min of MISS cardio every other day - going on 2.5 years now... what's a bottle of -(-)epi going to do? :D It's healthy, but I'd consider it like eating Broccoli or something - not acute/ergogenic (unless your endurance sucks normally I guess).
 
coltonwalker said:
Was browsing the ol' amazon and came across element nutraceuticals epicatechin product. 60 capsules 300mg epicatechin per capsules, 200mg green tea, and 100mg capsorb. Anyone ever tried this? Never seen a product with 300mg in 1 cap at 98%
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and why 300mgs, its a dose that wasn't even studied.
 
Todd Garner said:
The more I read the harder its getting to drop money on epi,
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Ive run it twice, two different reliable companies and have not noticed much of anything. I suppose it gave me a bit of a bump in terms of endurance but ive been focusing on purely strength lifting for nearly 2 years now so it doesnt do me much good in that regard
 
The original "I'm going to look like a Belgian Blue Bull (Not)" study that started it all:

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And a later one showing that 200mg was better than 100 and 50 as far as BPL's go - the dose/response curve could lead one to believe that "more is better", but yup...couldn't find anything higher than 200mg. IMO, this thing didn't pan out for anything other than general health, as Sarcopenia is big business.
 

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The original "I'm going to look like a Belgian Blue Bull (Not)" study that started it all:

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And a later one showing that 200mg was better than 100 and 50 as far as BPL's go - the dose/response curve could lead one to believe that "more is better", but yup...couldn't find anything higher than 200mg. IMO, this thing didn't pan out for anything other than general health, as Sarcopenia is big business.
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that is acute dosing to test concentration, did they study 200mgs over time? if I remember, could be wrong, the study lasted 7-14 days? I guess I should click and read..
 
USPlabsRep said:
that is acute dosing to test concentration, did they study 200mgs over time? if I remember, could be wrong, the study lasted 7-14 days? I guess I should click and read..
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No idea. I took a few months worth of 150mg, then 150mg x 2 and didn't see Jack. After that, quit looking into it. The people that sell it though, would post any new research - and the last one was that chart.... then crickets. See what you can find, it's not on my "re-purchase list" :D
 
USPlabsRep said:
that is acute dosing to test concentration, did they study 200mgs over time? if I remember, could be wrong, the study lasted 7-14 days? I guess I should click and read..
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. Human subjects were treated for 7 days with 25 mg of pure Epi (Sigma-Aldrich) provided in capsules BID (~1 mg/kg/day). Muscle strength was assessed by hand grip dynamometry (thrice with each hand, alternating hands between trials and resting for 10 seconds in order to prevent fatigue). Maximum strength attained was used for analysis. Blood (plasma) samples were collected before and after treatment and immediately frozen. Studies in human subjects were approved by the Instituto Politecnico Nacional IRB board and conform to all international regulations.
 
USPlabsRep said:
. Human subjects were treated for 7 days with 25 mg of pure Epi (Sigma-Aldrich) provided in capsules BID (~1 mg/kg/day). Muscle strength was assessed by hand grip dynamometry (thrice with each hand, alternating hands between trials and resting for 10 seconds in order to prevent fatigue). Maximum strength attained was used for analysis. Blood (plasma) samples were collected before and after treatment and immediately frozen. Studies in human subjects were approved by the Instituto Politecnico Nacional IRB board and conform to all international regulations.
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Ah, I remembered it wrong then as 50 mg per dose once a day vs twice a day.
 
Well I personally have had good results with epicat products. Both times at 200. 90% was all strength but I'll take it. So figured I'd try it for 300. During a PCT. That can't hurt
 
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