Tomahawk88
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Well u might want to change ur #8 team
And how about Ingram taking over the game when EVERYBODY knew he was getting the ball.
2009 College Football Season
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Well u might want to change ur #8 team
And how about Ingram taking over the game when EVERYBODY knew he was getting the ball.
rubberring
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Ingram took the game over. He has already exceeded all of my expectations, and the dude's just a sophomore. Trent Richardson is a true freshman. Might be the best one-two punch out there.
Taking G-Mac out of the equation at that point was definitely the right move. I have high hopes for the kid, but he was having a horrible go of it tonight.
Greg McElroy's post-game comments:
"Obviously, this is my first time being in the woods, guys. This is my first time in the SEC and I'm going to have some ups and downs, and I knew that coming in. This is new territory for me. I've never really struggled in the past. I haven't been playing real confidently. I haven't been stepping into my throws like I had been in weeks past. But we'll get it figured out. I promise. I promised my fans and promised the coaches and promised to the players that I will get it figured out and we will get it straightened out. I don't care if I spend every second and sleep in the football complex. I will do that to figure this thing out. I have all the confidence in the world in myself and my teammates that we can come back and dominate opponents, just like we did against Arkansas and against other teams."
Okay, not exactly a Tebow-esque promise... but I'll hold him to it!
UP NEXT: Lame Kiffin and the Vols, who have had an extra week of preparation.
rubberring
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Hey, didn't there used to be an Auburn fan in this thread? :lol:
C'mon, h0oth... it's safe to post in here. Besides, no one's team is beyond criticizing this week, that's for sure.
Tomahawk88
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I think The Tide will have problems with the Vols because of Monte's defense plus like u said the Vols had the week off. McElroy can't be nonexistant even though Lame Kiffin's offense hasn't shown much fire power.
rubberring
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Man, Dienhart always has a way with words...
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BUCKNUTS
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Oh crap they lost? That game wasn't on around here last time I heard the score they had come back to take the lead. That would def preclude them from inclusion in the top ten.
TexasTitan
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Piss poor timing. Bama and Florida looked god awful right there with Texas. And Muschampion's record against Meyer is promising, Id love to end the Tebow-Jesus thing. God, I thought we would have to endure another "speech" after Arkansas.
BUCKNUTS
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C'mon now bro you don't seriously want to compare your Gator fanhood to mine do you? :nono2: My grandfather raised my father from birth to be a Buckeye and he raised me to be a Buckeye and I am now rearing a 4th generation of Buckeyes. So what is my affiliation? it's cultural, 100 years of membership in Buckeye Nation it's a birthright. You've been a Gator for what 5-6 years? I can't remember when they won that first national championship, but at any rate all I'm saying is you needn't go there it's fool-hearty. Oh and in my 40 years as a Buckeye I've been to 50+ games and I'm going with the family to see them beat New Mexico on Halloween so 4games/year since 2005 :toofunny: again c'mon now get real.
You are a Red Sox, Celtics and Patriots fan correct? What about BC man? no love for the Eagles? that's a fine school with a nice football program. Just think if Ohio State had beat Florida and LSU that would be 3 championships in 6 years and hell you would probably be a Buckeye fan.:cheers:
Lastly my wife is from L.A. does that mean I can jump ship and be a Trojans fan because they are better? Of course not I'm not a front runner.
rubberring
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The problem for you is that Alabama is a better team this year. Texas is not. Straight up. There's a reason why the Longhorns have lost ground in every single poll since week 1. They won the RRR... and lost voter confidence. How does that happen? Maybe because anyone with half a brain knows that if Bradford had stayed in, the Longhorns would've lost by at least 2 TDs. Colt McCoy's pretty much out of the Heisman race... after beating OU. What does that say?
I literally did a facepalm this morning reading Mack Brown's typical "Just wait... we haven't even started to play good football yet" rhetoric. Give me a break. When does Texas plan on playing to their supposed capability? When will they all of a sudden be impressive? Uhhh... their BIGGEST game of the season was YESTERDAY. That might have been a good time. Just sayin'.
Last year, I wouldn't have debated over a hypothetical Texas-Bama match-up. This year... it's not even close. It's actually a little insulting to even compare them. But, of course, Texas will cruise through the rest of their weak Big 12 schedule. What's the big test, TT? Oklahoma State? Nebraska in a championship game? Btw, none of this changes if Bama drops a game to Tennessee, LSU, or even Auburn. It definitely doesn't change with a loss to Florida. See, that would be due to the overall impotence of the Big 12.
Just be careful what you ask for. If Texas has to play Florida or Alabama in the BCS Championship Game, they're gonna get trounced. You might consider praying to Reagan now for USC or Boise State. :lol:
No... really.
Btw... Mark Ingram for Heisman. :fing02:
jmh80
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Thanks Hogs. Thanks.
Meanwhile the ACC coastal side just got interesting with GaTech beating VaTech last night.
3 teams with one loss - those two and Miami - and somehow UVa is 2-0 in conference. Doubt UVa runs the table, so looks like it's the other 3 of us for the ACC title game. We've all beaten one other of the 3 teams so the tie break is the BCS standings.
Meanwhile the ACC coastal side just got interesting with GaTech beating VaTech last night.
3 teams with one loss - those two and Miami - and somehow UVa is 2-0 in conference. Doubt UVa runs the table, so looks like it's the other 3 of us for the ACC title game. We've all beaten one other of the 3 teams so the tie break is the BCS standings.
BUCKNUTS
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There's a lot of football left to play but man it sure seems like 11-1 is a real possibility with this remaining schedule.
Oct 24th, 2009 Clemson
Oct 31st, 2009 at Wake_Forest
Nov 7th, 2009 Virginia
Nov 14th, 2009 at North_Carolina
Nov 21st, 2009 Duke T
Nov 28th, 2009 at So_Florida
bikeswimlive
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It was a multitude of things that went wrong yesterday. For one we had to play not only the Gators, but the referees as well. Those calls were both trash. Then we had a London Crawford drop a perfect pass in the end zone and a fullback not have a clue how to run a route while wide open in the end zone. Third, two missed field goals under 40 yards. The defense played well enough to win the game. The offense did not. I am proud of how we did yesterday, but the Razorbacks should have won the game.
bikeswimlive
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Thanks OG it was a great game, I feel like we let you guys off the hook alot more than you won the game, but at the end the day you are still undefeated and will be in the SEC championship game. All yesterday did was show the quality that is the SEC.
LOL at the idea that Texas should be on the same field with Alabama or Florida. To say that either of those teams looked bad yesterday is beyond stupid. My Hogs' are a great team, ask Tebow if we are competitive. All Alabama did was have a guy rush for 250 yards and totally control a football game. Texas struggled against a team on a nehtral site that is now 3-3 and played without their heisman winning QB.
rubberring
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Does anyone understand how they calculate Strength of Schedule (SOS) in the BCS system? I don't get it. For example, Florida's SOS is #8, while Alabama's is #43. They play the exact same teams except for the following:
Florida
SEC: Georgia, Vanderbilt
ACC: Florida State
Non-Big 6: Troy, Charleston Southern
Alabama
SEC: Ole Miss, Auburn
ACC: Virgina Tech
Non-Big 6: Chattanooga, North Texas
Georgia and Auburn are probably a wash. I would think Ole Miss tops Vandy and V-Tech trumps FSU. There can't be much of a difference between the cupcakes. How can there be that much of a disparity in the SOS numbers?
Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly agree with Florida's #1 ranking. This was just the easiest example to show. It has more to do with seeing a team like Texas with a higher SOS ranking than Alabama or LSU.
Florida
SEC: Georgia, Vanderbilt
ACC: Florida State
Non-Big 6: Troy, Charleston Southern
Alabama
SEC: Ole Miss, Auburn
ACC: Virgina Tech
Non-Big 6: Chattanooga, North Texas
Georgia and Auburn are probably a wash. I would think Ole Miss tops Vandy and V-Tech trumps FSU. There can't be much of a difference between the cupcakes. How can there be that much of a disparity in the SOS numbers?
Don't get me wrong, I wholeheartedly agree with Florida's #1 ranking. This was just the easiest example to show. It has more to do with seeing a team like Texas with a higher SOS ranking than Alabama or LSU.
rubberring
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Nevermind... just read up on how scandalous the whole SOS is.
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Strength of Schedule:
"This component is redundant since all the computer systems use a value in their calculations and voters in the polls incorporate an implicit assessment of schedule strength in their votes.
Moreover, the technique used is simplistic and flawed.
A schedule is considered strong if the teams played had good records and if the teams they played also had good records.
However, we know that not all 8-3 records are equal and that schedules can be made up of "cupcakes" with good records against other "cupcakes."
The BCS formula ranks all schedules according to opponents' records (2/3 of the score) and opponents' opponent's records (1/3 of the score) and then divides the score by 25.
This last bit of arithmetic creates values for this component that range from .04 (No. 1 schedule divided by 25) to around 4.0 (No. 100 schedule divided by 25).
That throws the weighting of the components out of whack since most scores for SOS will be less than 1.0 while the average scores for the first two components will all be larger than one, usually considerably larger.
Thus, you can play a lousy schedule and not get hurt by your SOS score."
^^^^^Oh hey, Texas, Boise State, and Penn State!
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Strength of Schedule:
"This component is redundant since all the computer systems use a value in their calculations and voters in the polls incorporate an implicit assessment of schedule strength in their votes.
Moreover, the technique used is simplistic and flawed.
A schedule is considered strong if the teams played had good records and if the teams they played also had good records.
However, we know that not all 8-3 records are equal and that schedules can be made up of "cupcakes" with good records against other "cupcakes."
The BCS formula ranks all schedules according to opponents' records (2/3 of the score) and opponents' opponent's records (1/3 of the score) and then divides the score by 25.
This last bit of arithmetic creates values for this component that range from .04 (No. 1 schedule divided by 25) to around 4.0 (No. 100 schedule divided by 25).
That throws the weighting of the components out of whack since most scores for SOS will be less than 1.0 while the average scores for the first two components will all be larger than one, usually considerably larger.
Thus, you can play a lousy schedule and not get hurt by your SOS score."
^^^^^Oh hey, Texas, Boise State, and Penn State!
OldGator
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Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Just get by UCF and Baylor so Gators or Tide can get a clean shot.:saw:
We couldn't stand another year of "we could of beat you if only we got there" wimperings.
keeper
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Alabama is the new number 1.
If Florida's offense doesn't get any better than it's been the last two weeks they might not get a chance to play Bama in the SEC Championship.
If Florida's offense doesn't get any better than it's been the last two weeks they might not get a chance to play Bama in the SEC Championship.
rubberring
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The Gators are #1 in the BCS... which is all that matters. That's as it should be too. They beat Alabama, won a nat'l championship, and haven't lost since. There's no danger of Florida not making the trip to Atlanta. No other team in the SEC East has fewer than 2 losses. On the other hand, the winner of the Bama-LSU game (aka "Saban Bowl II") will more than likely determine the West's representative.
TexasTitan
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You remember three things
1.What people were saying USC would do to Texas in Pasadena.
2.How bad Bama looked at USCar.
3.All Texas has to be is the best team that night. Bradford really wouldnt have been much more effective than Landry Jones. Really.
Oh, how many times has Bama beaten Texas?
rubberring
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You tell me. How many times have they played in the last 27 years? :no:
You remember three things:
1. Tide.
2. Gators.
3. SEC.
TexasTitan
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You know the answer dont you. :cheers:
ESPN had USC as the #1 team of all time before that NC. Gaytors and Tahde both looked very beatable today, just like Texas. Your high horse's legs are mighty short.
rubberring
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No high horse. I've already said I'll be pleasantly shocked if Bama doesn't lose a game this season. Honestly, I'm just surprised Texas is as not-up-to-scratch as they are. I expected more. That's all.
TexasTitan
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Watch it you old queen.:cheers:
rubberring
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rubberring
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Hey TT and others, I have a question for ya: Would you be interested in going to the BCS Championship Game if it turns out to be Texas vs. Bama/Florida? Spare me the California jokes... I'm being serious. Believe me, I'm no fan of soCal either, but my wife has family there. She's a hotel manager and can book us a few nice (and free!) rooms in Buena Park, which is a short drive from Pasadena. I'll have my car as well, so we wouldn't really need to worry about a rental either.
OG and Trauma, this offer goes out to the Gator crew as well. Whoever's down for meeting up will just need to cover airfare/game ticket/food. I'll even pick you guys up from LAX.
It would be kinda cool to go to the big game (I've never been to a nat'l championship) and hang out for a day or two without our keyboards!
Give it some thought. I'm probably going to go regardless of who plays.
OldGator
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The thing to remember about UF under Meyer is that they always adjust to their strengths and get better the 2nd half of season. However, it is also obvious how much they are missing Percy Harvin and Loius Murphy (both making some big plays in the NFL). But if Deonte Thompson is really healthy now at WR (caught long TD against Hogs), and Jeff Demps and Emmanual Moody keep stepping up, I think things will change.
Remember we had 4 turnovers - 3 in Red Zone!! That should be our quota for the year!
Yeah. Definitely more land mines getting through the SEC West. But you got LSU at home. You should be in too.
Thanks rubberring. I'll keep it in mind, sounds great.
TexasTitan
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On one hand, I would love to see my team win a NC. On the other, guarding my butthole at every waking second and keeping an eye out for roofies would be exhausting.
OldGator
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LOL, I was expecting that from you.
OldGator
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I agree. All those trashing the Gators because they should have crushed the Hogs with one hand tied behind their back probably don't have to play the Hogs and don't know how dangerous this Arkansas team can be.
For instance I'd love to see Arkansas and Ohio State in a Bowl Game (remember Ole' Miss and Texas Tech last year??) I don't know what your schedule is like the rest of the way "swim", but keep winning and you can be there!
TexasTitan
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Lets say this though, the hogs have been on a roll but Im not sold on them yet. Tennessee played Florida close too. Seems like Meyer is getting outcoached routinely and just relying on fast little RBs.
OldGator
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O-Line that is #1 on paper but not on field has had a lot to do with it.
And losing defense leader Spikes didn't help against Hogs.
I still think things can come together. As you are aware, peaking at the right time has a lot to do with things.
Even at 6-0, this team has a lot of potential it hasn't lived up to yet which I think Tebow helps with as he gets more comfortable (after concussion). I'm not ready to blame coaching yet.
bikeswimlive
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Yea having the hardest schedule in the country doesn't help things at all, but I think all this year will do is harden the team for next year. I feel if we continue to progress the way we have been, next year we will be a team no one wants to play.
LOL at the idea of slOwHIO State versus the Hogs (remember I was born in Columbus, at the University hospital no less, and I love to see the Buckeye's excel, but they are as predicatable as it comes.) I would definitely pay to go to that game.
One day people will respect Arkansas football. ( I think that day is sooner rather than later).
bikeswimlive
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^^^^posted 10-11-2009, 12:49 PM
Hate to say I told you so Bucknutts, Plenny.
No don't, I told you so.
rubberring
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Dude, roofies are soooo 1995. :lol:
Yeah, I don't think Pasadena is known for their gay population. You're thinking Bay Area. That's a 6-hour drive away.
bikeswimlive
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You never know I might show up.
texaswolf
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West Hollywood is fairly close to Pasadena and West Hollywood is pretty damn gay. I'm sure TT would be uncomfortable that close to a gay population center.
TexasTitan
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You want not living up to potential. Texas.
Its california. You cant tell the gay guys from the straight guys. They all act the same.
Ruh roh.
Longhorns fans would take over part of it.
BUCKNUTS
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alright settle down settle down! Your team got beaten narrowly by a good team but don't get to full of yourselves. "Slowhio state" c'mon man how tired is that cliche? :welcome2: Speed is the least of our problems. Our qb runs like the wind and he's killing us. Gimme some of those slow of foot guys who knew what they were doing. Getting kind of arrogant for a 3-3 team aren't you? you should be able to handle Troy, EMU and maybe Miss St to finish a robust 6-5 with an appearance in Gaylord Hotels Music City Bowl. :You_Rock_Emoticon:
OldGator
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Pryor
I hear what you're saying BN. Pryor is from my state (PA) and I followed his recruitment closely. I was disappointed he didn't come to Penn State.
With hindsight I think Pryor picked the wrong system. PSU would have been wrong also. Don't you think the kid would have served himself (and his team) better by going to a true spread like Michigan or UF?? Seriously. OSU always did better with slow, sure footed pocket masters just as you say. Maybe they shouldn't have pressed for him so hard.
I hear what you're saying BN. Pryor is from my state (PA) and I followed his recruitment closely. I was disappointed he didn't come to Penn State.
With hindsight I think Pryor picked the wrong system. PSU would have been wrong also. Don't you think the kid would have served himself (and his team) better by going to a true spread like Michigan or UF?? Seriously. OSU always did better with slow, sure footed pocket masters just as you say. Maybe they shouldn't have pressed for him so hard.
BUCKNUTS
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What about Troy Smith OG? he was a guy who could run it really well and his era at Ohio State was among the most successful ever at Ohio State, National championship game against your Gators aside. The difference is Tressel can't trust Pryor, Troy made quick decisions with the football Pryor is lost and it appears he's getting worse instead of better.
keeper
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Evidently, the SEC doesn't want the AR/FL game to be viewed. They have removed it from secsports.com. Coach P met with SEC officials today to discuss and review film. He was reported to have "left that meeting unsatisfied."
bikeswimlive
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You surely can't think Ohio State could hang with the Hogs. Yes we might finish 6-5, but we also played Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU. Compare the Ohio State schedule with ours. I doubt you would find yourselves much better than 6-5. You did get run over by Purdue.
rubberring
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One in every ten guys you know in Austin is gay. It's probably that buddy of yours who isn't incessantly rambling on about beer and pus$y. :thinking:
Dude, get over it and show some Longhorn pride. Besides, there has to be at least one hot white chick in L.A.
Man, come on out. No pun intended.:lol: Seriously, give it some thought. Obviously, there's a strong chance an SEC team will be there... and if it's Alabama, you can still wear your Arkansas colors!
TexasTitan
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Ive been to LA, stayed for a week.
I dont have any gay friends save for a HS english teacher I used to keep in touch with. Dont get my started on the gay guys, I get hit on so god damn much where I work. Some 400lb black guy gave me 20 bucks and a phone number. Seriously, I was raised to be friendly to everyone, and when you are gay people from outta state seem to think Im a fanny bandit. Its ****ing annoying.
Anyways, yall will probably dig this ****.
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rubberring
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That is pretty cool. Guess that graph doesn't say much for the coaching at Texas A&M, Illinois, and Maryland... all of which will most likely fire their HC at season's end.
BUCKNUTS
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:sigh1: I can't deal with you SEC guys anymore. At least rubbering and OldGator have a reason to be smug and glib about their teams.
OldGator
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Yeah, Troy was certainly a mobile QB.
I was thinking that Pryor, though, seems to be built more for the spread from the ground up. Of course if his decision making abilities are in question as you say he wouldn't be very good in a pure spread offense either (probably worse).
bikeswimlive
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You do realize the year Florida beat OSU 41-14 in the national championship, Arkansas played them and lost 38-28 in the SEC championship game (Game changed after we muffed a punt late in the third quarter at which point we were winning) 10 point loss vs. 27 point loss. So I should abandon my team because we don't lose big bowl games every year? All I have to say is PURDUE baby. I love the Buckeyes, but I am also realistic about them. Part of what turns me off to OSU is when I am with family in Ohio and all my friends, family, radio, news, etc. can talk about is how Ohio State is without doubt the greatest team in the world and their string of big game losses is just a fluke. I will never doubt the passion and tradition at Ohio State,but until Tressel gets a good offensive coordinator, quits his conservative nonsense, and quits "playing not to lose" they can't beat teams that never take their foot off the gas.
Answer honestly: If Ohio State played Georgia, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Ole Miss, South Carolina, and LSU this season what would their record be? How many of those games would they win?
Nine times Ohio State has taken on a Southeastern Conference team in a bowl, and has lost nine times
...and if you have ever watched a Razorbacks game you would realize how fun and exciting they are to watch play (even more so now with Houston Nutt gone). We have an offense that can actually move the football.
TexasTitan
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No kidding. If A&M keeps up, Tubby will be wearing Maroon. If nothing else, re-establish that program for a while before he gets complacent. Especially since, lets face it, Mack Brown is a joke for a coach.