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2 or 3 week profina and d-bol cycle

ChrisSanderso

ChrisSanderso

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Wuts up guys, been reading lots about short cyles lately and want to give it a try. My stats right now are 6'" 190lbs been off from the gym for quit a while due to working 7 days a week. A have been up to 230lbs , alot of water weight and improper cycle. Naturally I can get to 210, summer is almost here and I felt that a 2 week or 3 weeker would be a great way to get back into the rythm. My work is very physical, so I am not out of shape but my lifts will definately be down.

so here is my cycle plan

Day 1 Front load test prop 200mg
Day 1 - 12 Profina ED .5 ml= test prop 50mg and tren A 50mg
Day 1-14 d-bol 40 mg ED
Day 1-14 Adex 1 mg


or

Day 1 Front load test prop 200mg
Day 1 - 12 Test prop 50mg ed
Day 1-14 d-bol 40 mg ED
Day 1-14 Adex 1 mg




Day 15 200mg clomid
day 16-29 50 mg clomid


What do you guys think.
 
In all honesty I have been having trouble getting back into the rythm and I know the short cycle would be a huge motivation. I Know it does not show great dedication by falling out of the routine but I believe it has happened to the best of us.

So is anyone interested, as well as any comments on my plan, thanks guys
 
Two week cycles can get you some results. I think 1 mg of Arimidex ed is way too much for the amount of aromatizable gear you have proposed. Are you prone to sensitivity/gyno? Obviously you are going to get more gains on the cycle including tren...but its up to you if you are willing to deal with the sides, however minor they may be in a 12 day span.
 
soma said:
Two week cycles can get you some results. I think 1 mg of Arimidex ed is way too much for the amount of aromatizable gear you have proposed. Are you prone to sensitivity/gyno? Obviously you are going to get more gains on the cycle including tren...but its up to you if you are willing to deal with the sides, however minor they may be in a 12 day span.
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Thanks for the reply, your right the adex is high. I only have capsules, so 1- mg eod I can do.

I have also never used tren so I think such a short cycle will definately keep the sides down.
 
If your interested here is the article that got me interested in 2 weekers, it's a copy and paste.


Steroids for health-SHORT CYCLES Explained
por j.c. el Lun Jul 02, 2007 9:05 pm

I would like to explain the benefits of short cycles for the recreational lifter, and that includes 95% of us I think. I would also like to clear up a few misconceptions in regard to short cycles in general.

WHAT MAKES A CYCLE SHORT

Short cycles are steroid cycles that do not exceed 4 weeks ,with 2-3 weeks "on" preferred.

WHY DO SHORT CYCLES

The main reason is to limit the negative health impact that steroids DO have on users.
For those of you that don't get lab work done while on steroids I would have you know that steroid use causes a very bad shift in the lipid profile. HDL(good cholesterol) which acts like a sticky sweeping broom to sweep up bad LDL (bad cholesterol) and prevent plaque build up on atery walls, goes EXTREMELY LOW in, dare I say, ALL MEN. Not only this but LDL levels usually climb and this is combo is not good.
Short cycles still cause a crappy lipid shift but not to the same degree as the long cycle. Also less time "On" means less time for potential aterial plaque build up.
After my last long cycle of 8 weeks I had some blood work done and my doc HAD A COW as my hdl to total cholesterol ratio was extremely poor.

There isn't a damn thing you can do to significantly avoid this....you can take niacin , flax oil , do cardio and have a pefect diet low in saturated fat and you will STILL get a very ****ty lipid profile.

So a very bad lipid profile with high ldl and rock bottom hdl is a SIGNIFICANT risk factor for aterial plaque build up and heart disease. As a side....anyone that thinks "Arny" only got his aortic valve done doesn't have a clue. I know for a fact that he had a coronary bypass as I have worked with members of the heart team that did his operation.

True there are other risk factors for heart disease but this is a big one and well documented as well.

HEW!!! Next ...short cycles limit other side effects like hair loss, acne, high Blood pressure and resulting kidney stress, testicular shrinkage and poor HPTA rebound.

Also short cycles are a heck of a lot easier on the old liver especially if 17aa orals are used....got to love d-bol he he he !

WHAT SHORT CYCLES ARE NOT

Short cycles will not result in bigger gains. Short cycles will not allow one to be competive in todays national level competitions. Short cycles will not give you 30 pounds of bulk at one time.

WHAT SHORT CYCLES CAN DO

Short cycles can give you decent gains that are FAR better than what you could attain to as a natural. Gains of 10 pounds are not infrequently kept form a short cycle with the novice or those that are not at least very close to their natural maximum weight.

Short cycles will allow a much quicker HPTA recovery than a long cycle and this allows one to kepp a higher percentage of ones gains. In fact full testosterone rebound often happens in but a week. Gains often continue in the weeks after the short cycle is over simply because ones natural test production often jumps a little higher than normal becuase the pituitary really hammers out the LH and the testes have not shunk.
My natural test production is quite good for a man of 40, at 550. I tested my test level a week after I stopped a 14 day cycle and it had rebonded to 650 from the immediate pre cycle 550. On day 15 it was down to 54!

How many of you bro's have experience gains AFTER coming off a 8 weeker...not a one I would say.

Lets face it bro's if you gain 25 -30 pouns of bulk in a long cycle you sure the hell aren't going to be able to hang onto more than 15 of those pounds over the next 6 months unless you were WAY WAY under your potential to begin with.

BEFORE DOING SHORT CYCLES.....

learn how to train and gain WITHOUT steroids. This is critical! IF one knows how to train without gear then adding a small amount of gear over a short period of time can result in great gains.
Trouble is almost nobody knows how to gain without steroids so they do the large doses over long periods of time to compensate for their chronic over training and poor training, sleeping habits.

ORIGIN OF SHORT CYCLES AND VARIATIONS

Well I am sure that there have always been men that used short cycles but the first one that I know of that actually spoke up on the matter was NELSON MONTANA, formerly of T-MAG.

NELSON MONTANA advocated, and still does advocate, cycles of 3 weeks in length. Modest doses are used of 1000mg per week TOTAL or less. Injectables and orals are used. Usually the injectable is in a long acting ester and not injected once per week but several times per week in smaller doses as he belives this is better for anabolism. Nelsons favorite steroid is PRIMO but he does like sust, d-bol, winny and anavar. He will not use or recommend vet steroids like EQ or tren. He does not recommend nandrolone.

Nelson believes three weeks will offers the best trade off between gains and sides. He thinks two weeks "on" is not quite enough time "on"
His favorite combo's are sust/d-bol or primo/anavar.

Here is an example of Nelsons three weeker.

WEEK ONE
DAY ONE sust 250mg, day 3 primo 100mg, day 5 primo 100mg, day 7 primo 100mg. 25 of d-bol in divided doses per day.

WEEK TWO
Test cyp or enanthate 100mg, day 10 primo 100mg and day 12 primo 100mg, day 14 primo 100mg. 25 of winny per day

WEEK THREE
day 16 primo 100, day 18 primo 100, day 20 primo 100 and day 22 primo 100 and also anavar 25 per day

Notice how the cycle uses weaker orals as the weeks go on and the non aromatizable and weker primo . This is to limit inhibition to some degree AND also to limit water gain for good post cycle lean tissue realization

WEEK FOUR ...OPTIONAL
25 of proviron for 5 days and only in the am. This is to help with sex drive, prevent estrogen back lash and act as a mild form of a taper. 25 mg only done in the am is not very inhibitory. I like its ability to ward off estrogen rebound post cycle.

Nelson does not believe that Clomid is necessary after his cycles and may actually cause harm in some men.

The above is a complicated cycle that is not cheap but Nelson thinks it is the ultimate short cycle. Similar but cheaper short cycle s can be based on the MONTANA METHOD.

IN COMES BILL ROBERTS!!!

Now Bill Roberts has been preaching short cycles for some time know, but not as long as Nelson. He says that he was taught his method but a Greek physicain that trains athletes in Europe. It is strange that he never even mentions Nelson and his method and this tells me that he may have stolen the idea from Nelson in the first place.

Anyway Roberts recommends higher doses of strickly short acting injectables and powerful orals. Front loading injectables is recommended.
Roberts is a big believer in Clomid post cycle. He also believes in using HCG if cycles are long or less than 4 weeks are taken between repeated two week cycles ,so as to prevent testicular shrinkage and the resulting poor HPTA recovery.

Roberts believes that after two weeks the pituitary becomes inhibited and not just the testes and hypothalamus and thus he recommends 14 days "on" as the limit IF you are striving for very rapid HPTA recovery.

I have used the "Roberts" cycles with good success as have many others including a few of my close friends but I plan on trying Nelsons method soon.

ROBERTS EXAMPLES


Day one, tren front loaded at 150mg and then tren 75 mg per day through day 12.
Dbol 50 mg per day in divided doses through day 14.
Clomid therapy starting day 15 and for 4 weeks or three weeks if Clomid was used as an anti estrogen during the "on" weeks. He will also use estrogen inhibitors if aromatization is expected to be high.

Second example for the larger man...
Test prop 300mg on day one and then 100-150mg per day for 11 days. Tren 150mg per day on day one and then 50-75 per day for 12 days, winstrol 50 mg per day for 14 days.

Other combo's include Tren/winny., test/d-bol winny., Tren/winny /d-bol....etc etc..

Notice that no long acting injectable is used. This is done to allow for a very rapid post cycle elimination of androgens so as to prevent additional lengthening of the cycle. This is Key point in the Roberts two weeker because he believes that any time "on" past two weeks will not allow for the most rapid HPTA recovery. He goes so far as to say that recovery after three week "on" is not especially quicker than recover after 8 weeks "on"

Roberts sites many examples of 7-10 plus pounds kept from his two weekers.

The man that is above his natural max weight (ie: 5'9-10 " and a leanish 190) cannot expect to gains 10 pounds in two weeks but 5 pounds in not uncommon.

NOTE>>> Both Roberts and Montana recommend at least 4 weeks off between these cycles. Roberts does say that two weeks off can be okay, but if repeated two weekers are done then HCG should be used during the cycle at 500iu's per day to prevent testicular shrinkage over the months.

So try short cycles if you are really concerned about your health and want to minimize the risks of steroid use, yet still wish to use steroids , and if you want to keep a higher percentage of your gains from a cycle.
 
Well I would run tren for 2 reasons, it will not convert. 2, huge gains in 2-4 days with regards to strength.
I would try to make your cycle run maybe 17-18 days tho I would do it so you could hit your muscle groups once or twice more while still on cycle.

Next, add some Inhibit E and a natural T booster, sh!t even tribulus (unless you've tried it and dont respond).

If you run the 14 days add it in at day 20 two pills a day, day 25 1 pill a day. Run the tribulus 1.5g's twice a day from day 15-40.

Just my .02 tho.
 
gymrat827 said:
Well I would run tren for 2 reasons, it will not convert. 2, huge gains in 2-4 days with regards to strength.
I would try to make your cycle run maybe 17-18 days tho I would do it so you could hit your muscle groups once or twice more while still on cycle.

Next, add some Inhibit E and a natural T booster, sh!t even tribulus (unless you've tried it and dont respond).

If you run the 14 days add it in at day 20 two pills a day, day 25 1 pill a day. Run the tribulus 1.5g's twice a day from day 15-40.

Just my .02 tho.
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What routine do you suggest, I was planning on doing German volume training throughout cyle, pct and off weeks. I gain nicely off GVT

heres a sample



Day 1 Day 2 Day 3 Day 4 Day 5
Chest & Back Legs & Abs Off Arms & Shoulders Off



:

Day 1 - Chest and Back

Exercise Sets Reps Tempo Rest Interval
A-1 Incline Dumbbell Presses
A-2 Wide-Grip Pull-Ups(palms facing away from you)
B-1 Flat Dumbbell Flyes
B-2 Bent-Over Rows with EZ Bar

Notes: Rest 90 seconds between each "A" exercise and each superset; rest 60 seconds between each "B" exercise and each superset.

Day 2 - Legs and Abs

Exercise Sets Reps Tempo Rest Interval
A-1 Bent-Knee Deadlifts
A-2 Seated Leg Curls
B-1 Twisting Crunches
B-2 Standing Calf Raises


Notes: Rest 90 seconds between each "A" exercise and each superset; rest 60 seconds between each "B" exercise and each superset.

Day 3 - Off

Day 4 - Arms and Shoulders

Exercise Sets Reps Tempo Rest Interval
A-1 Parallel Bar Dips
A-2 Incline Hammer Curls
B-1 Bent-Over Dumbbell Lateral Raises*
B-2 Seated DumbbellLateral Raises


(*While seated on the edge of a bench with your torso bent over, raise the dumbbells out to the side, making sure the top two knuckles (the ones closest to your thumb) are in line with your ears at the top of the movement.)

Notes: Rest 90 seconds between each "A" exercise and each superset; rest 60 seconds between each "B" exercise and each superset.

Day 5 - Off
 
Do you think Inhibit E and a natty booster is needed for such a short cycle. Also I could do a 3 weeker instead of 2 weeks


Any other suggestions guys
 
ChrisSanderso said:
has anyone tried profina before ?
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Do to all the mass responses in regards to profina I have decided to do a 2 weeker of test prop. ( no responses on the profina) Also I wanted to get a feel of the ed injects. I just frontloaded with 300mg , 1.5 in each pec. Pulp fiction style. I did my injects a 12 am last night (braver at night,lol). First time injecting myself , a little scary to say the least. I will do 2 weeks of test prop, pct then time off. The next cycle will be 2 weeks profina, the third will be profina and d-bol.


Makes more sense to use as little as possible , know what the compound does to me and the move on to the next type of gear after. I want results but I do want them safely. I have had my unexperienced mishaps and would like to avoid anymore.

I am weighing in at 196.5 this morning. I will take weight at the end of each week. 15 days from now I go back to bc, so I will plan pct for that time.

Left pec hurts a bit, right pec is good. Any suggestions on site injects that are nice and easy like the chest. I have 22 g 1 & 1.5 darts
 
My chest feels like I've got charlie horses. A little anxiety as well, must be the high dose of prop. Also a bit pumped about the cycle. I know it's gonna be good, I will dose at 100mg aday of prop due to the short cycle. 700mg a week should produce nice gains , if I am still making good gains I may go for 3 weeks. Thats where it will end though.
 
onzero said:
if one is gonna do a 2 week cycle, dbol's the drug to use.
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I do have d-bol as well, what dose would you use? Also why D-bol over Test Prop or Profina. I will not use d-bol this time as I don't believe I need it. My receptors are fresh and I can use the d-bol with prop the next time.

I may do this as a 3 weeker, the problem is the everyday injects. I did my left tri last night and I am not to sore ,but for a guy like me who has never injected himself it's a bit scary. I figure I will try every site (maybe not quads) so lats, delts, bi's , tri's , chest, (maybe calves on a weekend start).

I might as well learn how to do these sites all at once on cycle. I just review all my online info before I take the plunge,lol
 
Did my third shot last night, right tricep. It's weird my right side never hurts as bad as my left. Muscle groups I mean, after injection. I will do my Bi tonight. Also I will not do any drinking while on cycle. No need for that. I feel great, I have an injured hand but I will be fine. Mostly just swollen.
 
Tonight is my 5 shot and I am up from 196-204lbs. Feel great other then all the sore inject site. Tonight is my right bs, last night was the left.
 
So far guys I have done chest, bi's and tri's, tonight is my right delt. It is hard to workout through the pain of the prop but I am definately benefiting. Just incase you are curious


I have problems doing my delts, does anyone have any comments on the best way to do them. It's hard as **** to aspirate as well as it seems I always hit a nerve or something. More pain in my delts the any where else, when the needle goes in.
 
bigzach1234 said:
i completely agree... tremoundous gains right away... especially at a higher dose...

i would have ran it with the test p and profina
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so what dose would you run it at. My gains are coming on fast now with just the prop. I am contemplating running for 3 weeks total. I could through in the d-bol still for 2 weeks.
 
ChrisSanderso said:
so what dose would you run it at. My gains are coming on fast now with just the prop. I am contemplating running for 3 weeks total. I could through in the d-bol still for 2 weeks.
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since its a blast cycle.. u will be very happy with 50mg for those 2 weeks.. youll get some fantastic strength gains that u should be able to keep .. and some good weight gain with around 3-5 keepable pounds!!

also your pretty ballsy to pin all those sites for your first time... if i were u id reccomend rglute, lglute, rquad,lquad, rdelt, ldelt...
 
bigzach1234 said:
since its a blast cycle.. u will be very happy with 50mg for those 2 weeks.. youll get some fantastic strength gains that u should be able to keep .. and some good weight gain with around 3-5 keepable pounds!!

also your pretty ballsy to pin all those sites for your first time... if i were u id reccomend rglute, lglute, rquad,lquad, rdelt, ldelt...
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Thanks bro for the reply, The pinning end of it I am starting to enjoy. Still scary but everytime I inject I know it's to a good cause,lol. I am testing the site injection growth theory. So I am doing the smaller groups.

I am going to do a 3 weeker instead and I took 20mg pre-workout d-bol and did a Profina shot 1ml in my left outer bi.( 100 mg Test p and 100 mg Tren A) Hurt like a mf right after. I am also using 25 mg of nolva a day.

So I will do 2 weeks of profina and d-bol and my first week was prop with 300 mg kick start and I will do 1ml of profina tonight again and then 50 mg prop a day with 50 mg tren a with 40 mg of d-bol.

So pretty well my first week was a nice kick start, time to gain more and solidify
 
bigzach1234 said:
hows this cycle going?
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****en awsome, 3 weeks as of today and up 15 lbs. i dropped the d-bol, I started to get acid reflux and the fuzzy feeling in my side. No its gone. I will stay on 1 more week do to I made really nice gains this last week. Chest is poppin. The ed injects hurt like a mother ****er more now then ever. Sucks, night sweats too. horny as hell. Pumps are nutz. Putting on size everyday. I could be wrong here guys but I believe I can get up to 20 lbs gain for a 1 month cycle, I know people will say its water weight but I was well below my natural weigh when i started. I am shooting for 215 by the end of these next 7 days. I guess we will see.
 
My blood pressure is 150 over 82, didnt do my inject yesterday or today, will start pct wed morning 300 mg front load of clomid. I am upto 214lbs, this is nutz, less then 4 weeks and I am up almost 20 lbs. lets see how much I keep after pct
 
sounds like the magic of tren, dbol, and muscle memory too. very nice work man. yeah i thought it was ballsy pinning biceps and stuff on your first time but i'm glad it worked out, i stick to glutes and quads myself.
 
I was thinking of doing a simliar blast cycle in like a month.. theres nothing like this combo for a short cycle quick fantastic mass gains.. except possibly abombs.. but alot of ppl prefer dbol over bombs... i may do something similiar with test prop a little higher.. or possibly TNE and probably a little higher dose of dbol.. you only used 20mg pre wo correct? congrats on the quick gains.. i think u could prob keep ten solid pounds if u can transition into pct smoothly and keep training and diet at 100%
 
also wondering how many calories are u consuming daily? have u upped your calories with the weight gain? and in terms of diet.. lots of carbs? and what carb sources?... how many weeks are u going to run pct for? and one last one.. r u doing cardio? sorry for all the questions.. im astounded by your results although not too suprised
 
UnrealMachine said:
sounds like the magic of tren, dbol, and muscle memory too. very nice work man. yeah i thought it was ballsy pinning biceps and stuff on your first time but i'm glad it worked out, i stick to glutes and quads myself.
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It was pretty scary pinning the first few times. I found if I worked out the showered and pinned it didnt hurt so much the next day. If I didnt do that way it hurt like a MF. I did gain almost an inch in my arms but lets see after pct. Truth is I didnt want to come off.

I must say Tren kicks ass

I pretty well only did a 3 week cycle. Plus 2 days.
 
bigzach1234 said:
I was thinking of doing a simliar blast cycle in like a month.. theres nothing like this combo for a short cycle quick fantastic mass gains.. except possibly abombs.. but alot of ppl prefer dbol over bombs... i may do something similiar with test prop a little higher.. or possibly TNE and probably a little higher dose of dbol.. you only used 20mg pre wo correct? congrats on the quick gains.. i think u could prob keep ten solid pounds if u can transition into pct smoothly and keep training and diet at 100%
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I actually discontinued the dbol after a week. It gave me acid reflux so I will leave it for another time.
 
bigzach1234 said:
also wondering how many calories are u consuming daily? have u upped your calories with the weight gain? and in terms of diet.. lots of carbs? and what carb sources?... how many weeks are u going to run pct for? and one last one.. r u doing cardio? sorry for all the questions.. im astounded by your results although not too suprised
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I am not sure my calories but my dietr has never been better, I eat like a horse all day long. My wife packs me a lunch and I eat that between 2-5, then supper at 6:30. Lunch time I go home and eat. In all honesty I am shooting for more gains through pct. I know this is not the most likely but I believe set your goals as high as you can imagine. I will start size on (Gaspari) today. My carbs are mostly pasta, I go to the buffet about twice a week and eat allittle of everything on those days. I do should for far more protein then carbs. The only cardio I have done is I got into a fight last week, didnt last long and ........just kidding, no cardio. Pct will be for 3 weeks, I am taking clomid, inhibit E, and anabolic innovations post cycle as well as low dose nolva.
 
ChrisSanderso said:
I am not sure my calories but my dietr has never been better, I eat like a horse all day long. My wife packs me a lunch and I eat that between 2-5, then supper at 6:30. Lunch time I go home and eat. In all honesty I am shooting for more gains through pct. I know this is not the most likely but I believe set your goals as high as you can imagine. I will start size on (Gaspari) today. My carbs are mostly pasta, I go to the buffet about twice a week and eat allittle of everything on those days. I do should for far more protein then carbs. The only cardio I have done is I got into a fight last week, didnt last long and ........just kidding, no cardio. Pct will be for 3 weeks, I am taking clomid, inhibit E, and anabolic innovations post cycle as well as low dose nolva.
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Thanks alot man..i appreciate the help.. good luck with keeping gains.. my man...
 
Day b7 pct, still feel great, Nolva 25 mg a day, clomid 50 mg plus all my over the counters. Strenght still increasing, I am about 3 lbs lighter then a week ago, body still looks great. Gained a little fat but very impressed with my results. I absolutely love this cycle.
 
bigzach1234 said:
Thanks alot man..i appreciate the help.. good luck with keeping gains.. my man...
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Thanks Bro.

Try this cycle out youll love it. The worst thing is all the daily injects, make sure you front load and keep the test around 25mg higher then the tren a, just to keep you at the on cycle libido.

I am no expert, just done alot of research on this cyle and I am so glad I did. 2 more weeks pct, then off for 6 weeks then 1 more 3 week cycle before the end of summer in August.
 
I am into my second week pct, the bacne is starting a bit, nothing the sun wont kill off this weekend. Still very nice pumps, I will weigh myself after pct because when the weight does go down it can effect my momentum and mind frame. I feel good, libido down a bit but if I see the puntang I got no problem. Over feel great. I would like to finish pct and get my complete off weeks done. Next time I will include winstrol .
 
nice job bro.. whats your total weight gain.. and strength gain for such a short time.. even if u added five solid pounds of muscle and gained 25lbs on all major lifts thats very good.. id die for that... i really debated doing a short cycle like this.. but i have 6 more weeks off cycle on my clen,igf,xena cut.. and i think ill be jumping back on big time.. using the same compounds you used.. but ive just found that being closer to my genetic potential has made it hard for me to keep gains off short cycle.. i do better at 10 weeks or longer where i can change my body compoistion and keep some strength and size gains.. with the short cycles.. ill gain a few pounds that i keep.. i keep a small amount of strength.. but i get really good muscle maturity off them.. so even though ive gained a few pounds it looks like more.. since the muscles are denser and more mature from lifting so heavy and hard for awhile.. but i really need to add some good weight.. as i feel my bodys going through too much doing shorter cycles and then going back on.. and its not worth it to me anymore unless i start to see some real good mass gains that i can keep.. so as alluring as the short cycles w/quick gains are.. you may come to a time a few years down the road where u feel similar to me.. and the constant hormonal roller coaster of coming on and off doesnt seem as healthy as just staying on for a long period and then coming off for awhile.. my next cycle will prob be about 20 weeks.. and then off for at least that long.. in the off period ill be cutting w/ hgh, igf,clen, helios, t3 ghrp/cjc... and just tearing up and maturing all the new muscle i gained from the 20 weeks on
 
bigzach1234 said:
nice job bro.. whats your total weight gain.. and strength gain for such a short time.. even if u added five solid pounds of muscle and gained 25lbs on all major lifts thats very good.. id die for that... i really debated doing a short cycle like this.. but i have 6 more weeks off cycle on my clen,igf,xena cut.. and i think ill be jumping back on big time.. using the same compounds you used.. but ive just found that being closer to my genetic potential has made it hard for me to keep gains off short cycle.. i do better at 10 weeks or longer where i can change my body compoistion and keep some strength and size gains.. with the short cycles.. ill gain a few pounds that i keep.. i keep a small amount of strength.. but i get really good muscle maturity off them.. so even though ive gained a few pounds it looks like more.. since the muscles are denser and more mature from lifting so heavy and hard for awhile.. but i really need to add some good weight.. as i feel my bodys going through too much doing shorter cycles and then going back on.. and its not worth it to me anymore unless i start to see some real good mass gains that i can keep.. so as alluring as the short cycles w/quick gains are.. you may come to a time a few years down the road where u feel similar to me.. and the constant hormonal roller coaster of coming on and off doesnt seem as healthy as just staying on for a long period and then coming off for awhile.. my next cycle will prob be about 20 weeks.. and then off for at least that long.. in the off period ill be cutting w/ hgh, igf,clen, helios, t3 ghrp/cjc... and just tearing up and maturing all the new muscle i gained from the 20 weeks on
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I think the worst thing about it is the pct. I believe clomid in the last few days is giving me ****en weird mood swings. I cant stand my woman right now. I am a moody person normally, I am either happy of anger no other emotions. Ive got a bit of jealousy happening, depression a tad and the hobo feeling of just taking off away from everything. Thailand sounds ****en great right about now. I would go to the philipines but thats where my old ladys from and I just invision them all pissing me off right now. Is this a normally thing. I know clomid can cause mood swings but this is kind of dangerous for a guy like me.

I will try taking clomid at night, maybe my mood swings will mellow out. I am almost at the 2 week mark, I wonder if to weeks of clomid and nolva are enough followed by my post cycle natty boost and inhibit e and continue only the natty supps for a full month.

I just dont want to be moody like this anymore.

I am still holding at 210lbs. My strenght went up but my numbers are really a guess. I was out of the gym for months prior. I also always go for muscle endurance over pure strenght. GVT Training all the way or similar too.
 
how high r u running the clomid.. if your running nolva also.. no need to be over 25mg at this point in pct.. u could even just drop the clomid if u think thats the culprit and finish with one more week of nolva..i hate the first 2 weeks of pct also man.. im a moody prick .. i dont even wanna go to the gym.. its hard man... u sent your hormones on a ****ing rocket to the moon.. and now your coming off full speed.. ur body just needs to acheive homeostasis again.. honestly drop the clomid.. or just bump it way down.. but one more week of pct.. look into some otc mood boosters.. 5htp.. **** like that
 
bigzach1234 said:
how high r u running the clomid.. if your running nolva also.. no need to be over 25mg at this point in pct.. u could even just drop the clomid if u think thats the culprit and finish with one more week of nolva..i hate the first 2 weeks of pct also man.. im a moody prick .. i dont even wanna go to the gym.. its hard man... u sent your hormones on a ****ing rocket to the moon.. and now your coming off full speed.. ur body just needs to acheive homeostasis again.. honestly drop the clomid.. or just bump it way down.. but one more week of pct.. look into some otc mood boosters.. 5htp.. **** like that
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Thanks Bro for the reply. I started taking the clomid and nolva at night. I feel a bit better now. I will drop the clomid and continue with the nolva for a week, its crazy how that **** can alter your moods big time. I agree that the down fall of cycling so short is you are not on long enough to really enjoy the cycle and then the pct time is just as long as it would be for a longer cycle.

The best thing though is that I am maintaining a major part of my gains. I dont by any means look like a juice monkey but I do look in shape. I may do a 2 week cycle next time and try a natural pct. If it doesnt turn out the way I hope , then I can just stay on and maybe do a 6 weeker. have some hcg on hand just incase i go the distance.

I wonder what I could mix the profina with to cut down on the paralizing pain it can give. When I say mix it maybe npp will help. Any suggestions.

Thanks again Bro, much appreciated.
 
i really doubt your gonna wanna run npp with tren thats 2 progestins together.. thats usually a no-no.. mast maybe? dunno if that would really helo... maybe just some oil.. mct or something similiar

also how did the tren treat u other then the pain.. im planning on it my next run.. just worried about the sides.. i dunno if im ready.. i already have sleep issues.. and sweat all day.. plus im mentally weak and hear its a straight mind **** and has you all over the place
 
bigzach1234 said:
i really doubt your gonna wanna run npp with tren thats 2 progestins together.. thats usually a no-no.. mast maybe? dunno if that would really helo... maybe just some oil.. mct or something similiar

also how did the tren treat u other then the pain.. im planning on it my next run.. just worried about the sides.. i dunno if im ready.. i already have sleep issues.. and sweat all day.. plus im mentally weak and hear its a straight mind **** and has you all over the place
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I had night sweats pretty bad a few times. Some acne, small amount but more in pct. I never got tren cough, sum insomnia but not much.

Over all the worst ever was the site pain. Immobalizing.
 
bigzach1234 said:
isnt the point of doing these 2on2off type cycles so u can do a couple runs in a row.. i believe it was 2 on 2 off 2on 2 off 2 on... 4 weeks pct?
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Dont tempt me FRODO. LOL. I went past the two week mark and got shut down probably the same as a 10 weeker would. I would like to get all my cycle support and do an 8 weeker and then compare the 2 kinds of cycles. I am glad I did this cycle but the pct end of it sucked ass. So if I do a shorty again it will only be a 2 weeker with a natural pct , but I do really like the on feeling and would like to do an eight weeker . Makes me feel young as an 18 year old. Atleast with an eight weeker your pct is half the time as your on, this cycle your half and half. I will definately experiment and see what is the best way.

What is the best way to take away the profina pain guys, any suggetsions would be great.



Thanks by the way BZ for all your replies bro.
 
What do you think, next cycle. Tren a 50mg ed test prop 75mg ed for 8 weeks- Dbol the last 4 weeks of the cycle at 20 mg daily.

D-bol at the end would be a good experiment. What do you think.
 
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