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2-cyano-pheraplex & havoc/methoxygonadiene q&a thread

jbryand101b

jbryand101b

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was hoping to re-open discussion about these two compounds, while making sure no one mentions the names of the products that contain these.

lets have some scientific discussion.

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first compound listed appears to be 2-cyano-methyl 1 test. as you can see, the numbers are pretty low, this is possibly what was supposed to be originally in ai cynostane. but I believe they list it as 2-cyano-methyl dht.

2nd compound is 2-cyano pheraplex. as you can see, it's pretty impressive.

aa ratio is about 45/800, where superdrol is 20/400.

if the paper info converts over to real life any at all, it should be pretty impressive.

I havn't been following logs of this compound, but hopefully some users will provide their comments.

lets discuss........
 
The data from the first one is pretty irrelevant, it was not orally administered. Plenty of decent orals have ****ty A:A values by IM.
 
Yes the old Cyano released was no way the 2-cyano-methyl phera might have been methyl 1 test... Guys are putting on 5-7 pounds in a week with 2-cyano-methyl phera, and people were putting on that much in one month IF even that with the old Cyano previously released.

The third compound is the same as the 2-cyano-methyl phera minus the 17a-methyl and has the same rating given IM.

Is it safe to say this is the same compound between the 2nd and 3rd one? Minues the 17a-methyl to make it orally available?
 
chocolatemilk said:
Yes the old Cyano released was no way the 2-cyano-methyl dht... Guys are putting on 5-7 pounds in a week with 2-cyano-methyl dht, and people were putting on that much in one month IF even that with the old Cyano previously released.

The third compound is the same as the 2-cyano-methyl dht minus the 17a-methyl and has the same rating given IM.

Is it safe to say this is the same compound between the 2nd and 3rd one? Minues the 17a-methyl to make it orally available?
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2-cyano-methyl-DHT is cynostane. You mean 2-cyano-phera, which is the middle one in the image, the same as in the compound recently released.
 
henryv said:
2-cyano-methyl-DHT is cynostane. You mean 2-cyano-phera, which is the middle one in the image, the same as in the compound recently released.
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Yea that's what I meant... fixed...

So is the 3rd compound 2-cyano-methyl-phera minus the 17a methyl given IM?
 
coooooooL... MDXT which is 2-cyano-phera sold out damn fast. Hope it comes back in stock for others to give it a shot... Glad I have me a bottle stashed away.
 
=[ you guys are teasing me with all this talk. I order 4 bottles on the sale of the afore mentioned product but only one went through to be shipped dispite being charged for both. They just refunded me but I want te bottles way more than money!!! =[ hopefully someone will return a pair of bottles, and they will send them to me.


So if you bought a bunch, Send two back that's an order!!!!! Lol
 
wait where is this being sold?
 
cant say, d/t the company not being a sponsir, which is why I believe the original thread was deleted.

but if you google either "2-cyano-pheraplex" or the actual nomenclature info, you should get alot of hits, with info on where to find.

the other compound for discussion is the epi/max lmg combo, which I did happen to get a bottle of.

back before, I tried to create my own spawn with pro dienolone and e-stane, but it didn't work out as planned.

I look forward to running this, thinking of going 4 caps e/d instead of rec 3.
 
henryv said:
The data from the first one is pretty irrelevant, it was not orally administered. Plenty of decent orals have ****ty A:A values by IM.
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thats what I was wondering when I first looked at it, but wasn't sure.

lets see if we can get some of the previous data you had posted up on this compound before?
 
will they re-stock phera?

(please tell me yes-i love phera)
 
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Images edited for relevance (non-relevant steroids omitted).
Nitrilo = Cyano.
 
jbryand101b said:
thats what I was wondering when I first looked at it, but wasn't sure.
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Vida's A&As can be really confusing to look at, even when you understand the structural diagrams and nomenclature.

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The left hand bit is just how he classified the compounds; he split them into groups like 19-nors (N), delta-4s (S), A-ring unsaturated (A), 5a-reduced (D), and "weird" ones (E). Then there's the structural diagram, then the nomenclature of the steroid, then the A:A ratings.
The left hand figure is the ventral prostate, middle column is the seminal vesicles, and they are both markers of the androgenic properties of the drug. The right column is the anabolic property of the drug, as measured by the effects on the levator ani. These are Hershberger assays on castrated rats (unless stated otherwise, for example chick's comb tests or monkey evaluations).
The next column is the reference standard against which it is measured, for example testosterone, or methyl testosterone (17a-MT).
The next column is the reference from which he obtained the figures (he didn't do the testing himself; the book is an amalgamation/consolidation of all the existing published data at the time). For these steroids pictured above, he references studies #56 and #82, which correspond to the references listed in numerical order in the bibliography at the back of the book. Consulting these will often provide much more interesting information on the compounds.
The final column is the route of administration used. Unless otherwise noted, it is by subcutaneous injection.
 
chocolatemilk said:
I think he means will they restock 2-cyano-phera...

In which case, I hope so, and I don't see why not.
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Hate to bear bad news but I talked to the owner of ruthless, nates partner the owner of orbit actually. He said him and Nate are almost positive they're not gonna do another run, they considered it several times already, but he said th don't wanna bring heat on their company. =[

Sucks bad!!! I just wanna get my two extra bottles lol
 
Well I'm still confused as I'm not as scientific as you guys. So let me see if I understand it.
The monster is phera with only one methyl group instead of two? or is it non methylated? This would make it less orally availble right? It's also a 2 ene whatever that means which makes it stronger on paper and much more anabolic?

Am I confused or no? I need the simpliest breakdown possible.
 
ZamaMan said:
Hate to bear bad news but I talked to the owner of ruthless, nates partner the owner of orbit actually. He said him and Nate are almost positive they're not gonna do another run, they considered it several times already, but he said th don't wanna bring heat on their company. =[

Sucks bad!!! I just wanna get my two extra bottles lol
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The guys running the monsterxt?? arent they both like 160lbs 5-7 pounds in aweek would be much easier to gain in a week id like to follow another log of someone such as unreal or someone is anyone else running it??
 
smith22 said:
The guys running the monsterxt?? arent they both like 160lbs 5-7 pounds in aweek would be much easier to gain in a week id like to follow another log of someone such as unreal or someone is anyone else running it??
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unreal said in one of their logs he was plannin on running it in januaryish i believe
 
smith22 said:
The guys running the monsterxt?? arent they both like 160lbs 5-7 pounds in aweek would be much easier to gain in a week id like to follow another log of someone such as unreal or someone is anyone else running it??
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5-7 pounds in a weeks time frame is impressive on anybody. A compound has to be pretty strong to do this.
 
ZamaMan said:
Well I'm still confused as I'm not as scientific as you guys. So let me see if I understand it.
The monster is phera with only one methyl group instead of two? or is it non methylated? This would make it less orally availble right? It's also a 2 ene whatever that means which makes it stronger on paper and much more anabolic?

Am I confused or no? I need the simpliest breakdown possible.
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A 2-ene is a steroid with a double bond at the two position. It's very uncommon among steroids on the market; phera is the only one ever released to have it, to my knowledge. Until now.

Phera is 17a-methylated. So is the new product. Oral availability is not an issue for either.

The new product is not phera, any more than superdrol is methyl DHT, or P-mag is methyl test. It is just structurally related to it. It is phera with the addition of a cyano functional group at the 2 position, just like superdrol is methyl DHT with the addition of a methyl group at the 2a position.

Irrelevant to you probably:
Test and p-mag are 4-enes (double bond between C4 and C5).
H-drol, OT, Bold, Boldenone, D-bol, and M1,4ADD are all 1,4-dienes (two sets of double bonds, C1-C2 and C4-C5)
1AD, 1-Test, Primobolan, and M1T are all 1-enes (double bond between C1 and C2).
 
chocolatemilk said:
5-7 pounds in a weeks time frame is impressive on anybody. A compound has to be pretty strong to do this.
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yeah dont get me wrong those are great gains i just think a bigger person in the 190-230s wouldnt get anything like that in a week compared to a 160pewee gaining 5-7 pounds in a week i bet he could prolly gain that or more just off of sd in a week bulking you can tell at 157 starting a cycle his diet couldnt have been that solid so throwing in strong compounds like that plus tons more food id expect that pretty easy i guess we will see when unreal logs its how good the stuff actually is or someone else who has more of a body frame and diet on track. i think if i was 157 and ran hdrol i could gain about that in a week
 
henryv said:
Irrelevant to you probably:
Test and p-mag are 4-enes (double bond between C4 and C5).
H-drol, OT, Bold, Boldenone, D-bol, and M1,4ADD are all 1,4-dienes (two sets of double bonds, C1-C2 and C4-C5)
1AD, 1-Test, Primobolan, and M1T are all 1-enes (double bond between C1 and C2).
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as with anything in organic chemistry, the double bond position effects reactivity, right? so are there some general rules for what effects the placement of functional groups will have in a compound?
 
I can see where you are comming from--^

I dont know enough about the loggers to be able to do such a judging on them though.

I personally wouldn't really be able to tell how it works unless I was able to run it myself. Which is going to be impossible, because I didn't get a bottle.
 
smith22 said:
yeah dont get me wrong those are great gains i just think a bigger person in the 190-230s wouldnt get anything like that in a week compared to a 160pewee gaining 5-7 pounds in a week i bet he could prolly gain that or more just off of sd in a week bulking you can tell at 157 starting a cycle his diet couldnt have been that solid so throwing in strong compounds like that plus tons more food id expect that pretty easy i guess we will see when unreal logs its how good the stuff actually is or someone else who has more of a body frame and diet on track. i think if i was 157 and ran hdrol i could gain about that in a week
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I will be running it very soon ;) My log is in the cycle info section.
 
jdj16 said:
as with anything in organic chemistry, the double bond position effects reactivity, right? so are there some general rules for what effects the placement of functional groups will have in a compound?
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Yes, but it depends on a lot of things. 2 substitution generally favours anabolic activity, as we can see from superdrol and anadrol.
 
smith22 said:
The guys running the monsterxt?? arent they both like 160lbs 5-7 pounds in aweek would be much easier to gain in a week id like to follow another log of someone such as unreal or someone is anyone else running it??
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One of them is 5'4" with a low % BF, I believe. I'm anxious to see somebody who has used SD try it to make comparisons. I guess it probably won't happen and I'll just have to see for myself in January when I run it.
 
henryv said:
Yes, but it depends on a lot of things. 2 substitution generally favours anabolic activity, as we can see from superdrol and anadrol.
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alright cool. i figured that there were too many factors to explicitly state that this does this and that does that. thanks
 
henryv said:
The data from the first one is pretty irrelevant, it was not orally administered. Plenty of decent orals have ****ty A:A values by IM.
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Yeah I was just about to say the same thing. Not only that but the measurements weren't uniform so there was a huge level of misclassification bias, coupled with the fact that these studies were done in rats and although things are somewhat comparable they aren't identical which is evident in the fact that some drugs never make it out of phase 1. Animal testing done preclinically then goes to phase 1 for human testing where things really change.

Vida suggests that Epistane is 3 times as anabolic as Superdrol and this simply isn't the case.
 
RH2012 said:
the pics ya'll had posted have been deleted. i assume this is the compound. it looks good on paper for sure.
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Def does, they asked me about dosing but I couldn't help cause the only company to release it put out a bunk product.

I recommended alpha testing with reps they trust.
 
jbryand101b said:
Def does, they asked me about dosing but I couldn't help cause the only company to release it put out a bunk product.

I recommended alpha testing with reps they trust.
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I am in for this one.
 
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