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p1nchharmonic

p1nchharmonic

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Heres day 1 start pic. Cycle is as follows:

Injected w/ slin pin together shallow IM:
~22mg Test-P ED
- 20mg Tren-A ED

-10mg Yk11 ED
-10mg lgd4033 ED

Starting weight: ~166lbs, 5'6"

Plan is upper body every 4 days, legs every 4 days. Different focus on each day.

Today's workout was upper body focused on upper chest, shoulders, traps and tris. Got some good sets in for back/bis as well. Felt great. Excited to start feeling something


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p1nchharmonic said:
Heres day 1 start pic. Cycle is as follows:

Injected w/ slin pin together shallow IM:
~22mg Test-P ED
- 20mg Tren-A ED

-10mg Yk11 ED
-10mg lgd4033 ED

Starting weight: ~166lbs, 5'6"

Plan is upper body every 4 days, legs every 4 days. Different focus on each day.

Today's workout was upper body focused on upper chest, shoulders, traps and tris. Got some good sets in for back/bis as well. Felt great. Excited to start feeling something


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How long are you planning on for this cycle? It's been a while since I ran a prop cycle.
 
What's a good starting dose for AI going with this? Im feeling some sensitivity in my left nipple. Been on TRT with no AI 3 months now
 
p1nchharmonic said:
What's a good starting dose for AI going with this? Im feeling some sensitivity in my left nipple. Been on TRT with no AI 3 months now
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If you didn't add more test then it's the tren causing it, if that's the case it's probably prolactin that's the cause. I hate to say it but if after a couple days at that tiny dose it's starting problems it would make more sense to not use it the tren then it would to add prami or caber. A ai isint going to stop signs of prolactin gyno or sensitivity to prolactin.
 
Smont said:
If you didn't add more test then it's the tren causing it, if that's the case it's probably prolactin that's the cause. I hate to say it but if after a couple days at that tiny dose it's starting problems it would make more sense to not use it the tren then it would to add prami or caber. A ai isint going to stop signs of prolactin gyno or sensitivity to prolactin.
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I was noticing some sensitivity the past couple weeks, but wasnt sure. Definitely something going on.
 
p1nchharmonic said:
I was noticing some sensitivity the past couple weeks, but wasnt sure. Definitely something going on.
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Your pretty lean and on such a low dose. I can't see estrogen being very high. If your gonna start a ai go super low dose, like a quarter tablet Or 6.25mg exem maybe 2x week. That might even be too much for some ppl on that dose your on. I know whiskey always says my thinking of low for a ai is on the high side for most ppl. Another alternative might be to grab some raloxefine or nolva and use a low dose to block the nipple. Some ppl will disagree on that but if my only side effect is nipple sensitivity, I'm taking 15-30mg ralox or 10mg nolva over a ai. That's just me tho
 
Ive got some nolva on hand. Ill get my bloodwork done in the morning and pop 10mg every couple of days. Also got some 0.25mg tablets of caber laying around. Never used them. Would a prolactin blood test give me a good idea if I should start that?
 
p1nchharmonic said:
Ive got some nolva on hand. Ill get my bloodwork done in the morning and pop 10mg every couple of days. Also got some 0.25mg tablets of caber laying around. Never used them. Would a prolactin blood test give me a good idea if I should start that?
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I'm not positive, I've had bloods plenty of times but never while on a 19nor, I stopped using them because they cause me to get prolactin gyno really fast, even when using prami. If I don't have prami and ralox from day 1 with a 19nor I'm screwed so I just stopped using them
 
Smont said:
I'm not positive, I've had bloods plenty of times but never while on a 19nor, I stopped using them because they cause me to get prolactin gyno really fast, even when using prami. If I don't have prami and ralox from day 1 with a 19nor I'm screwed so I just stopped using them
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Just want to throw out there that there is a small percentage of ppl who are negatively affected by nolva on 19nors, if your one of them it will make the problem worse, that's why ralox is better in this situation
 
.5mg of caber a week and 15–30mg of ralox a day. Enjoy the deviant sex life from the caber. You should have no sides from the caber or the ralox at that dose. If sensitivity is still there in a couple of weeks up the to 1 mg a week. Spread out evenly of course.

caber will take care of sensitivity and ralox will help reduce minimize puffiness/swelling
 
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150 test a week is a bit low to have e2 sides. Sensitivity may be from sth else tbh.

Anyway at your bf its weird. You can take some ai just to be safe but at this low test dose you will want all the e2 you can have for growth.
 
Codybenz said:
.5mg of caber a week and 15–30ml of ralox a day. Enjoy the deviant sex life from the caber. You should have no sides from the caber or the ralox at that dose. If sensitivity is still there in a couple of weeks up the to 1 mg a week. Spread out evenly of course.

caber will take care of sensitivity and ralox will help reduce minimize puffiness/swelling
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CroLifter said:
150 test a week is a bit low to have e2 sides. Sensitivity may be from sth else tbh.

Anyway at your bf its weird. You can take some ai just to be safe but at this low test dose you will want all the e2 you can have for growth.
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I get nipple sensitivity from tren even when estrogen is in check. I’ve confirmed with bloods. It’s from the prolactin that I’m apparently sensitive too. Caber and ralox takes care of it.

obviously everybody is different
 
Codybenz said:
I get nipple sensitivity from tren even when estrogen is in check. I’ve confirmed with bloods. It’s from the prolactin that I’m apparently sensitive too. Caber and ralox takes care of it.

obviously everybody is different
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I had the same issue with dienolone twice, needed prami and ralox to handle it. Then I thought npp was going smoothly but after 3 weeks same thing happened. So I've ditched 19s completely. Im at the point now where I want to use gear and doses that I don't require a ai or anything special to control side effects. Leaves me with test, mast, eq all at 500mg or less and some random orals and peptides I can play with
 
Smont said:
I had the same issue with dienolone twice, needed prami and ralox to handle it. Then I thought npp was going smoothly but after 3 weeks same thing happened. So I've ditched 19s completely. Im at the point now where I want to use gear and doses that I don't require a ai or anything special to control side effects. Leaves me with test, mast, eq all at 500mg or less and some random orals and peptides I can play with
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I’m going to have my first EQ run later this year
 
Codybenz said:
I’m going to have my first EQ run later this year
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The thing I liked most about eq is that it feels like nothing to me, zero side effects. Like I didn't add anything to my cycle. Just very slow steady improvement and some increased vascularity
 
Tren day 3, Leg day: last 3 leg workouts for reference:

6/1/2021:Squat....25x12, 135x 10, 185x 8, 225x6, 275x6, 295x 3, 225x 11, 225x 6

6/6/2021:Squat....barx10, 95x12, 135x10, 225x6, 275x 4, 295x4, 225x 12, 225x 8

6/8/2021: tren start

6/10/2021: Squat...95x12, 135x10, 185x6, 225x5, 275x, 4, 315x4, 275x 7, 275x 6, 225 (narrow)x 8

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Update: a little bit over 1 week on tren.

Had a bit of a "setback" this past weekend. Went to a wedding, a bachelor party, did coke, got very drunk... completely out of the norm for me. (Actually, never have done coke until now). Needless to say, i havent been to the gym for about 3 days until today. Diet has been obviously not on point.

Did legs today, but felt like an absolute unit despite rising from the dead yesterday. I was able to squeeze out 5 reps of 315 on my hardest working set of squats instead of 4 reps in my last leg workout. Total volume was definitely up. Looking to get back on track and make the best out of the rest of this.
 
p1nchharmonic said:
Update: a little bit over 1 week on tren.

Had a bit of a "setback" this past weekend. Went to a wedding, a bachelor party, did coke, got very drunk... completely out of the norm for me. (Actually, never have done coke until now). Needless to say, i havent been to the gym for about 3 days until today. Diet has been obviously not on point.

Did legs today, but felt like an absolute unit despite rising from the dead yesterday. I was able to squeeze out 5 reps of 315 on my hardest working set of squats instead of 4 reps in my last leg workout. Total volume was definitely up. Looking to get back on track and make the best out of the rest of this.
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I've done plenty of drugs and drinking in my life so all I will say is **** happens. Just don't make a habit of doing hardcore drugs while on steroids, it's a recipe for a heart attack. Stay out of Scarface house and get back to work
 
Echo all the above tbh.

low dose caber would have been my first action (simply as your test is low, your lean and on trt so should know if you need an ai for the test dose)

if you do end up using asin then as smont said 6.25 twice a week should be plenty in this scenario (there is massive individualism in ai dose but factoring in all the info is what makes me say that dose).

personally I use 0.5 caber once a week off 400-600 tren/deca and bloods have that enough to keep prolactin in check. It’s powerful and effective
 
15mg Ralox is a joke. I mean if it works for you @Smont that’s friggin’ awesome, but 50-60mg/day is about the minimum for serious blocking action.
 
Hyde said:
15mg Ralox is a joke. I mean if it works for you @Smont that’s friggin’ awesome, but 50-60mg/day is about the minimum for serious blocking action.
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15-30 is plenty for me to prevent nipple issues, if there already bad, like swollen and tender, I need 60mg for about a week and then I can drop to 15-30 and everything is ok.

This is what I did on 200-300 dienolone and same with 300npp. I'm sure if I went higher then those numbers or used tren at 300+ then 15 would not do anything, but op is on like 100mg of tren and 100mg test or something like that, so I would think 15-30 would do the trick
 
Lots of cardio, clean up your diet, maybe add citrus bergamot

What were your numbers pre cycle, I don't think 1 week on anything would screw up your numbers that much. I'd guess they been shitty for a while
 
p1nchharmonic said:
Started the sarms about 1.5 weeks before the tren. Forgot to add that
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That's still a short time on not a lot of stuff. Either way, I honestly believe cardio will do more for your hdl/LDL then any supplements will, I'm not talking about walking on a treadmill, I'm talking about high intensity cardio or long joggs. Most ppl I know who do a lot of cardio have really good numbers. So I'd either do the things I mentioned or drop everything but trt.

I'm not saying I'm 100% sure those things will solve the problem, but that's my best suggestions
 
Agreed. You need lots of cardio, less simple carbs in diet for trigs, not using orals (SARMs are always orals) or Tren. Orals lower HDL almost instantly. Like you can take them and draw bloods next day and see a decrease in HDL.

You stopped the SARMs, you aren’t going to stop the Tren for now, so add GW at 5-10mg daily for the remainder of the ace blast, get your cardio in, avoid unnecessary simple sugar if possible. LDL is still going to rise on the Tren.

Garlic oil is never a bad idea, supplement-wise.
 
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with respect bro we established in one of your other threads you hadn’t taken much time off from your last blast and you should have done bloods before starting this one……as above those issues won’t be from this cycle but more likely they never recovered from last time

it’s your body bro but your getting all the right advice on here and not following it. Having some stuff out of range isn’t a surprise tbh 🤷
 
Hyde said:
Agreed. You need lots of cardio, less simple carbs in diet for trigs, not using orals (SARMs are always orals) or Tren. Orals lower HDL almost instantly. Like you can take them and draw bloods next day and see a decrease in HDL.

You stopped the SARMs, you aren’t going to stop the Tren for now, so add GW at 5-10mg daily for the remainder of the ace blast, get your cardio in, avoid unnecessary simple sugar if possible. LDL is still going to rise on the Tren.

Garlic oil is never a bad idea, supplement-wise.
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Adding gw was another thing I thought of, the only thing that keeps me wondering about gw is that it only seems to make the numbers look good while your on it, so is it actually making you healthy or is it masking the numbers.

I can't seem to find a solid answer to that, that being said, if Im going on tren or SD or anadrol or anything like that for more then 3-4 weeks I'm probably going to be using gw alongside it
 
Smont said:
Adding gw was another thing I thought of, the only thing that keeps me wondering about gw is that it only seems to make the numbers look good while your on it, so is it actually making you healthy or is it masking the numbers.

I can't seem to find a solid answer to that, that being said, if Im going on tren or SD or anadrol or anything like that for more then 3-4 weeks I'm probably going to be using gw alongside it
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Yeah I’m with you, no idea. More of a matter that it helps the bloodwork AND helps mask the lethargy/winding that both Tren and orals can cause, so it’s a good compliment for that temporary scenario IMO.
 
Todays workout I felt like an absolute monster. Even though last night I had my first occurrence of "tren somnia" which wasnt really HORRIBLE, but I had huge issues falling asleep last night. Maybe 4 hours of sleep. Anyway, I repped incline bench for 225 today, last week I was doing the same thing for flat bench. Strength is definitely huge here
 
Codybenz said:
.5mg of caber a week and 15–30mg of ralox a day. Enjoy the deviant sex life from the caber. You should have no sides from the caber or the ralox at that dose. If sensitivity is still there in a couple of weeks up the to 1 mg a week. Spread out evenly of course.

caber will take care of sensitivity and ralox will help reduce minimize puffiness/swelling
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This
 
I know all these suggestions are correct in a sense and typical ways to to things, but if on 100-200mg of tren you need caber or ralox, the real answer is you need to not use tren. Caber has serious neurological side effects, even if you don't get them right away, it has a accumulated effect over time and it never goes away, next time you use caber that effect continues to build. So the answer here really should be to stop the tren, not add caber
 
Smont said:
I know all these suggestions are correct in a sense and typical ways to to things, but if on 100-200mg of tren you need caber or ralox, the real answer is you need to not use tren. Caber has serious neurological side effects, even if you don't get them right away, it has a accumulated effect over time and it never goes away, next time you use caber that effect continues to build. So the answer here really should be to stop the tren, not add caber
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Care to explain what these neurological sise effects are?
 
p1nchharmonic said:
Care to explain what these neurological sise effects are?
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Google it, there's a lot of information on it. It's been a while since I looked into it but there are distinct neuro psychiatric side effects, they don't always show immediately because there is a accumulated total dose built up over time. I don't know for certain if everyone is eventually effected by it, but I believe everyone eventually will get brain chemistry problems from it's use.

If you are someone who already has problems, caber can cause manic episodes, schizophrenia and a bunch of other things.

Now I'm not saying"this IS going to happen". I'm saying the risks are present and the likelihood depends on multiple things, dose, accumulated dose, previous mental health problems ect
 
B6 at doses of 300mg used twice a day has been shown in human studies to be as effective as cabergoline. I have NOT found that to be anecdotally true when using Tren & deca for me, but it absolutely makes a huge difference. Like comparable to a 0.25mg dose of Caber for me, but not 0.5mg. Which is tremendous, because it was found to be safe for up to 8 weeks (and it’s super cheap too). The primary side of high dose B6 was nerve firing dysfunction began to occur around 8 weeks - this side immediately reverses upon discontinuation they found.

So for 19-Nor blasts of say 6 weeks, B6/P5P in big doses twice a day is a pretty good solution. Or rotating it with prami or Caber usage to at least lower/limit their consumption. I used B6 the first month of deca this last blast.
 
Hyde said:
B6 at doses of 300mg used twice a day has been shown in human studies to be as effective as cabergoline. I have NOT found that to be anecdotally true when using Tren & deca for me, but it absolutely makes a huge difference. Like comparable to a 0.25mg dose of Caber for me, but not 0.5mg. Which is tremendous, because it was found to be safe for up to 8 weeks (and it’s super cheap too). The primary side of high dose B6 was nerve firing dysfunction began to occur around 8 weeks - this side immediately reverses upon discontinuation they found.

So for 19-Nor blasts of say 6 weeks, B6/P5P in big doses twice a day is a pretty good solution. Or rotating it with prami or Caber usage to at least lower/limit their consumption. I used B6 the first month of deca this last blast.
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When you say "B6 at doses of 300mg twice a day," are you talking about 300mg of B6 pyridoxine or 300 mg B6 Pyridoxal-5-phosphate? Just wondering because I just purchased some Inhibit-p and it only has 50mg of vitamin B6 as P5P per serving.
 
CTB4444 said:
When you say "B6 at doses of 300mg twice a day," are you talking about 300mg of B6 pyridoxine or 300 mg B6 Pyridoxal-5-phosphate? Just wondering because I just purchased some Inhibit-p and it only has 50mg of vitamin B6 as P5P per serving.
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Page 2 (Page 109) of this document on the left side asserts that 50-200mg/day of P5P was found to be equivalent to 300-1,000mg/day of B6 (regular pyroxidine hydrochloride) in effect on lowering serum prolactin in women. These are total doses per day - you want to divide that total daily dose into 2-3 smaller administrations.

So take 50mg of P5P 3x daily or 300mg B6 3x daily for optimal results. The peripheral neuropathy (tingling in feet and hands) & lower quality sleep sounds like it was only associated with regular B6 use for months on end.

I have not found Inhibit P at the recommended daily serving size to be enough for me, and the cost of doubling the dose isn’t cost effective vs just buying P5P on Amazon at doses I need it. But I am VERY sensitive to prolactin - I even need support on Mk677. So you may be just fine.
 
For what it's worth, I've tried regular b6 up to 600 a day. It seems like if you start it before the cycle it does help a little but if you wait till side effects are already present then it won't help. At least for me.
 
Smont said:
For what it's worth, I've tried regular b6 up to 600 a day. It seems like if you start it before the cycle it does help a little but if you wait till side effects are already present then it won't help. At least for me.
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Same. Gotta be ahead of it
 
Smont said:
Google it, there's a lot of information on it. It's been a while since I looked into it but there are distinct neuro psychiatric side effects, they don't always show immediately because there is a accumulated total dose built up over time. I don't know for certain if everyone is eventually effected by it, but I believe everyone eventually will get brain chemistry problems from it's use.

If you are someone who already has problems, caber can cause manic episodes, schizophrenia and a bunch of other things.

Now I'm not saying"this IS going to happen". I'm saying the risks are present and the likelihood depends on multiple things, dose, accumulated dose, previous mental health problems ect
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i use caber (0.5 a week) even on 19nors so did google it as would switch to b6 for sure…. But struggled to find much to be honest

Did find a study where they used over 8mg a day for over 2 years straight though so I’m think the risk might be overstated??

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Whisky said:
i use caber (0.5 a week) even on 19nors so did google it as would switch to b6 for sure…. But struggled to find much to be honest

Did find a study where they used over 8mg a day for over 2 years straight though so I’m think the risk might be overstated??

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I've seen stuff where a single dose caused manic attacks. Short term use causing problems that stick around after it's discontinued and lots of stuff showing how long term use causes irreversible damage. All of the side effects were always related to brain chemistry too.

I'm at work so I can't do too much searching but there's plenty of stuff out there. I actually never even came across the one you linked
 
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