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swoody

swoody

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Quick question... I have searched and found differing oppinions on what is the best way to administer L3 IGF-1... i am thinking of injecting i ml of acetic acid into the vial of IGF, letting it trickle down the side and then gently swirling the mixture slowly till it becomes clear... then filling the rest of the syringe with bacteriostatic water, and then inject. I am new to pinning, so any help would be appreciated:)
 
sounds good. Go IM, not subQ,

EDIT: If you're new the pinning then you should be pinning AAS, not IGF-1. Most guys dont need it unless you have reached your peak with steroids. Steroids make more muscle fibers, IGF-1 makes more muscle CELLS. Do whatever you want, but if i were you I'd get some AAS cycles under your belt before you mess with IGF-1
 
Thanks man... I frekkin love this forum for the honesty and concern here... members really look out for each other with questions, and I appreciate it. PROPS
 
I already know pinning precautions... used the search funtion for that one:) but not sure how deep to go for IM injections... in inches deep...
 
Go pretty much all the way in, as far as the needle will go. Some people like to leave a lil bit showing, just in case it happens to break off (although this is highly unlikely).
 
Sorry about these Q,s but is that directly vertically in, or somewhat of a slant? I know... newbe q's can get annoying :)
 
Most people say to pull the skin back so it's tight, then put the pin straight in. This is the correct way according to health professionals...

You're probably using a 29 gauge 1/2" (or so) pin, put it all the way in.
 
swoody said:
does it matter if the AA is 10% or 25% solution... I'm lookin at IBE right now...
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Get the 10%, but you still have to dilute that even further. The solution you need for your IGF is .6%.
 
I was under the impression that AAS made your muscle fibers volumize whereas IGF1 LR3 made new cells. Correct? Which gives an advantage over those who were born with more muscle cells than the others.
 
I believe so.

I think it'd be more efficient to use IGF before anabolics, as you'd theoretically have more cells to volumize.
 
If you have reached your genetic limit, I dont think you can go wrong either way. Stack 'em, then there's no debate. :D
 
Also what I would like to know is if IGF1 LR3 would be great for sprinters. Obviously it's more muscle cells and therefore you have more strength that you can harness in a smaller frame or am I off slightly? I wonder what the effects of Test E with IGF1 Lr3 and Test Prop would be like...

Like....
Test E 1-12 Weeks
Test P 1-2 & 11-13
IGF1 LR3 Weeks 0-2 & Weeks 14-15
PCT Weeks 14-19

Something like that.
 
gotripped said:
Also what I would like to know is if IGF1 LR3 would be great for sprinters. Obviously it's more muscle cells and therefore you have more strength that you can harness in a smaller frame or am I off slightly? I wonder what the effects of Test E with IGF1 Lr3 and Test Prop would be like...

Like....
Test E 1-12 Weeks
Test P 1-2 & 11-13
IGF1 LR3 Weeks 0-2 & Weeks 14-15
post cycle therapy Weeks 14-19

Something like that.
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I read somewhere that AAS can interfere with the actions of IGF-1 when used together. I always use IGF during PCT and it works wonders. You can ram down the carbs and retain all LBM attained while on cycle, and...get this...actually makes gains in LBM during PCT.
 
Rocky82 said:
I read somewhere that anabolic steroids can interfere with the actions of IGF-1 when used together. I always use IGF during post cycle therapy and it works wonders. You can ram down the carbs and retain all LBM attained while on cycle, and...get this...actually makes gains in LBM during PCT.
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Bookending with IGF1 and Superdrol have shown good success rates. So I'm not sure where you heard that it interferes with IGF1.
 
By bookending you mean kickstart with SD and end with IGF-1? I guess that's ok but personally my tried and true method is a 3 month PCT of IGF through month 1 and 3 with insulin during month 2. I look forward to PCT just as much as starting a cycle. The first month allows me to lose any fat or water gained from the cycle, the 2nd month on slin lets me fill out nicely, and the 3rd month really tightens me up and I look like I never came off cycle.


Oh and as far as SD, I snagged about 6 bottles before the ban. I used it once when i first came out in a cutting cycle (with just prostan and stackers, no classical AAS). I keep hearing differing opinions on whether it's best suited for bulking or cutting. What's the deal?
 
It can be used for both bulking and cutting depending on calorie intake. As it will maintain muscle mass in a calorie deficit such as a 200 lb man on 1800 calories a day for cutting. And put on as much as 20 pounds on a calorie surplus diet.
 
gotripped said:
It can be used for both bulking and cutting depending on calorie intake. As it will maintain muscle mass in a calorie deficit such as a 200 lb man on 1800 calories a day for cutting. And put on as much as 20 pounds on a calorie surplus diet.
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Sounds good to me. I havent used it in about in a year now, and the first and only time was so long ago in a cutting cycle and I dont even remember how I responded. All i do remember is that I was very lethergic. I'll give it a go in a few months for the first 3 weeks of my off season bulking cycle.
 
That is exactly what I am going to do... I will start 4 weeks of Lr3 IGF-1 along with PEGylated MGF- both site specific... then run a two week cycle of superdrol starting right off the bat at 20mg... I don't want to run it longer than 3, because from what I've heard, the longer you run it the more sides occur... and people have reported reputable gains of anywhere between 5 to 10 lbs with 2 wk superdrol cycles... some say it's just glycogen weight, but im pretty skeptical of this since they keep most if not all gains plus continue to increase strength PCD... then I will introduce the same Lr3 IGF-1 and PEGlated MGF protocol two weeks into my pcd... any opinions on how effective this will be for me? I am looking at a solid 10 lb increase when all is said and done... is it do-able? Can anyone post their results with this kind of protocol if anyone has any experience with it?
 
IGF-1 is best used for 4 weeks followed by at least 4 weeks off. Im not familiar with MGF. You've got the right idea for the Superdrol though, no longer than 3 weeks. And these guys that make gains of 15-20 lbs in 3 weeks, let me tell you, I've been around this game a while and its mostly water, glycogen, and fat (sicne most users are younger guys looking to bulk up at all costs and eat garbage). Yes you will gain muscle and some strength, but dont get all depressed when most of the WEIGHT goes by the waistside during post cycle therapy. Theres a reason that the top pro's only put on 5 lbs a year. True muscle tissue is very difficult to put on despite all th pharmaceuticals available. The hardest part is maintaining it with a sound diet. Hell, if you wanna just add weight, I could give you a stack that would add 30-40 lbs in 2 months. You'll look like ****, but you'll be heavier...What I'm trying to say is that it means nothing what you weigh (unless you're competing in a weight class for a certain sport), but rather, what you see in the mirror. At the end of the day, a 180 lb lean bodybuilder looks a hell of a lot better than a 320 lb powerlifter than can bench 600 lbs. You just need to be honest with yourself, set REALISTIC goals, and get to work. Good luck!!
 
Rocky82 said:
IGF-1 is best used for 4 weeks followed by at least 4 weeks off. Im not familiar with MGF. You've got the right idea for the Superdrol though, no longer than 3 weeks. And these guys that make gains of 15-20 lbs in 3 weeks, let me tell you, I've been around this game a while and its mostly water, glycogen, and fat (sicne most users are younger guys looking to bulk up at all costs and eat garbage). Yes you will gain muscle and some strength, but dont get all depressed when most of the WEIGHT goes by the waistside during post cycle therapy. Theres a reason that the top pro's only put on 5 lbs a year. True muscle tissue is very difficult to put on despite all th pharmaceuticals available. The hardest part is maintaining it with a sound diet. Hell, if you wanna just add weight, I could give you a stack that would add 30-40 lbs in 2 months. You'll look like ****, but you'll be heavier...What I'm trying to say is that it means nothing what you weigh (unless you're competing in a weight class for a certain sport), but rather, what you see in the mirror. At the end of the day, a 180 lb lean bodybuilder looks a hell of a lot better than a 320 lb powerlifter than can bench 600 lbs. You just need to be honest with yourself, set REALISTIC goals, and get to work. Good luck!!
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Exactly... and all I'm trying to do is add about 10 CLEAN lbs of lean muscle tissue... i figured that the IGF and MGF will increase satellite cell production leading to more overall muscle tissue, the Superdrol will expand those new cells along with existing ones, and then ending with the same IGF and MGF will shed the fat lbs and keep my gains... if not setting me up for more in the future. I am looking for a composition change, even though I am fairly lean already... and 10 LBS of lean mass with a decrease in fat will DEFINITELY give me the desired results, that is if what I am planning to do will put me close to that goal. :) I know that IGF and MGF wont in THEMSELVES increase my strength... but it will definitely increase my capacity to gain it with Superdrol and continuted training and nutrition when all is said and done...
 
It all sounds great in theory, but as with everything else, its 90% diet dependent. Just keep it clean, lots and lots of protein and clean carbs. You'll be fine.
 
You've got the right idea swoody. Just don't be that guy that opens up a box of packaged processed pasta with packaged alfredo sauce and says "i've got to eat like this, I'm bulking" that's the wrong attitude and a waste of your igf and mgf. Eat clean, Eat protein, eat carbs but eat clean. I.e. Sweet potatoes instead of potato chips. You get the idea. Wheat pasta instead of white egg noodles. Whole wheat whole grain breads instead of "enriched" white flour processed garbage. SD and IGF1 have been done on this forum before with logs. I'm sure you can find it if you look. SD is great and I am positive you can gain 10 clean lbs on SD. Now I'm just going up by 10s and 5lbs per cycle as I've experienced the growth of 25 lbs in 1 4 week SD cycle and it's uncomfortable. But nevertheless I did retain 15 pounds of it after cutting off 10 lbs of excess fat. You can easily gain 10 lbs of clean muscle mass if not more when supplementing during cycle with Natural T boosters. I believe the T boosters give extra kick while On.
 
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