1Ad, 4ad for youngins
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ryansm
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I have been noticing more, and more newbie posts about AAS/PH. It seems that the board is getting a lot more popular, and there are good and bad things that can come of it.
Ofcourse you should not use until you are atleast 21, and you can honestly say that you have put time and effort in the gym.
Ofcourse you should not use until you are atleast 21, and you can honestly say that you have put time and effort in the gym.
JordyRoc
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Alpha Dog
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Magickk said:
And tell him that he should work out hard for at least 3-5 years and be absolutely sure he has reached his genetic potential before touching any type of anabolics (regardless of his age). Tell him that he certainly should not consider anything similar to SD after only 2.5 months in the gym. That would just be irresponsible :nono:
Sorry Magickk for the low blow. I'm not trying to be an ass, just trying to make a point.
diamonddave
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So who the hell is voting that it's NOT a bad idea. All those votes and no comments??????
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wastedwhiteboy2
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I had to make sure I was reading the poll correct too after seeing so many no votes. must be a lot of young newbies voting. maybe they should search for some old threads that argue about this.
Alpha Dog
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Magickk said:
Very simply, your htpa never fully recovers after a cycle of exogenous hormones. Whenever you exceed supraphysiological levels of any androgen for an extended period of time, you are going to do some irreversible damage. The purpose of PCT is to minimize that damage. But be sure, you are doing damage (regardless of age). Actually, the younger you are, the better chance you have of recovery.
So, why delay? Well, most peoples natural hormone levels begin to decline at about age 28. Are you ready to begin that delcine now, at age 22? Especially considering you can experience tremendous gain through proper training, diet and rest without androgens. Above all considering you have only been consistently working out for 2.5 months!
To answer you question, to not hold out simply would be a “waste.�
Hope that helps you to reconsider in light of your present situation.
Magickk
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So based on that logic everyone who's on anything before age 28 is pretty much an idiot. That I can accept. Some 21 year old mouthing off about how "they are ok to take PH/AAS because they're in better shape and have been working out longer" is what makes me wonder.bow said:
Alpha Dog
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Magickk said:
I'm going to take some heat for this, but yes, I'm inclined to agree. I didn't start until I was 27 and hit a long plateau (>6 months). Even then, my cycles were limited to two weeks to minimize damage.
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That being said, if someone is under the age of 28 and has been working out dilligently for five years, has exhausted all means of improvement via proper diet, exercise and rest and as such has experienced no gains for an extended period of time (greater than four months), then I might be willing to make an exception.
UNDERTAKER
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yea magickk, from what I have seen of your first few posts, your full of bright ideas(hint of sarcasm if you couldnt tell)
Newb017
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I dunno how much I can really add to this thread, but I caved, currently in the middle of week 3 of 1ad/4ad, how has it been going? well, pretty confusing, for the first week I was a wreck, I was sooooo lethargic, granted I was still waking up at 530 in the morning to go lift, 6-6.5 hours of sleep wasn't NEAR cutting it, I've found evening training is working best for me now, I'm setting PR's every day on just about every exercise, as for side effects, I feel normal, I there was 1 time I was with my girl and couldn't get hard, and it scared the **** out of me, but it was 630 in the morning and I was awake for a good 2 minutes before we were goin at it...alone time comes rarely as my roomate never goes to class, but anyway it was a 1 time thing, I have a huge increase in stamina actually, not sure if it's related or not, but I know it makes her happy so I'm glad, I'm up 6-7 lbs, most obviously being water weight, but I still have a 6 pack so I'm not thinking tooo much is water, not sure if I'm going to up the dose as planned next week, my nips have been gettin a bit puffy, just stick out a teenie bit and have the cone shaped look to them, not itchy at all tho, not terribly worried
all in all, do I think it's a good idea? no, do I think I should be doing it? obviously yes, I weighed my options and made my decision, I'm doing it purely for strength, I need to get stronger for athletics, I feel it's unfortunate that it's come to this, but it's that important to me, for 99% of people I think it's a bad idea as most take it to look good, it's not worth it at all in that case, you have your whole life to look good, college athletics eventually end
so far my experience has been a bit of a rollercoaster, PCT could be some of the hardest weeks of my life going off the lethargy I was fighting in the beginning but only time will tell, it doesn't sound like your brother is ready in the least, if he needs somebody else's approval, he obviously hasn't even started researching and needs a few years of training under his belt before he even considers it
take everything I say with a grain of salt, think I'm a stupid teen looking for a quick fix, understand my point of view, I don't care
all in all, do I think it's a good idea? no, do I think I should be doing it? obviously yes, I weighed my options and made my decision, I'm doing it purely for strength, I need to get stronger for athletics, I feel it's unfortunate that it's come to this, but it's that important to me, for 99% of people I think it's a bad idea as most take it to look good, it's not worth it at all in that case, you have your whole life to look good, college athletics eventually end
so far my experience has been a bit of a rollercoaster, PCT could be some of the hardest weeks of my life going off the lethargy I was fighting in the beginning but only time will tell, it doesn't sound like your brother is ready in the least, if he needs somebody else's approval, he obviously hasn't even started researching and needs a few years of training under his belt before he even considers it
take everything I say with a grain of salt, think I'm a stupid teen looking for a quick fix, understand my point of view, I don't care
Magickk
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your point? I never claimed to be a bb genius, nor do i give a **** what you think about me. Whats the point of saying **** like that on here? Seriously, I don't get it. You would think you're big since this is anabolicminds.com, and wouldn't need to talk **** on a fucking forum. Grow the **** up... Or go post on ineedtoarguetolooktough.com's forums, I hear they're looking for members...UNDERTAKER said:
Newb017
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well with all due respect, your question is stupid, i can gaurantee you not 1 person will say it's a good idea, you obviously knew this, why would you made a thread about it? because you know ph is a big deal, so since you know doing a cycle is a huge deal why would you make a thread where eveybody's just going to say no, asking for approval for a cycle is dumb anyway, especially when you know nobody's going to be on your side
UNDERTAKER
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I am not going to get in a big agruement with you majickk. There are lots of new kids coming onto this forum acting like idiots. Your advise is simply shameful. Lets just say I dont see you being here much longer.....dont bother responding to me directly, I wont reply. I am wondering why a mod hasnt deleted this thread all ready.
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