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15 week bulker......need help w/ IGF

EDNhoss12

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15 week bulker......need help w/ IGF and slin

Hey guys, I'm planning a cycle to start soon, and so far it looks like this:

500mg/week Test enan weeks 1-15
400mg/week Deca weeks 1-15
25mg/day d-bol weeks 1-6
175mg/day fina weeks 8-15

nolva 40mg/day 4 weeks pct
possibly HCG if I can get it

this will be my 3rd cycle and the first time not using an anit-e throughout. The fina is high, I've done 150mg/day for 8weeks in a previous cycle w/ some left over. This time I plan on converting 10g and using it all in 8 weeks. Comes out to about 178mg/day.

I need help incorporating 20-60mcg of lr3 IGF-1 for 50 days at the end of the cycle and into pct. Was wondering if this would be the most effective use of IGF as I've heard it can help retain gains made on a cycle. I've also read that it can work synergistically w/ the AAS increasing their effects, so I wonder if I should use it during my cycle instead of w/ pct.

Another option I've considered is doing a 50 day cycle 3-4 weeks into the cycle when the test and deca are kickin in, then take a 20-40 day break and pick back up at the end of the cycle and into pct.....

Has anyone had any experience in using it this way? thoughts or ideas? Any and all feedback/input is greatly appreciated.......thankx guys.
 
175mg of tren A DAY!!?? that's a TREMENDOUS amount i would lower that to 75-100mg ed, i'm surprised you were able to run it at 150 ... no offense but are you sure it was real?
the test should be run for a week more than the deca so they clear the same time, so i suggest either shortening the deca or extending the test (i'd extend but hey that's me)

running deca and tren together will shut you down HARD
i would suggest running this cycle without hcg to run throughout

if you have enough IGF-1 for 50 days that's 7 weeks and a day, i would run it for 3 weeks in the middle of the cycle and 4 weeks - the last 2 weeks of the cycle and first 2 weeks of pct
 
i just finished a vial of IGF running at the tailend of a cycle into PCT and it worked great. didn't lose a pound of weight and strength kept going up.

178mg of tren ed sounds like over kill to me. sounds downright dangerous actually. that's over 1200mg of tren per week, which is by far the highest i've ever heard of.
 
Beelzebub said:
i just finished a vial of IGF running at the tailend of a cycle into PCT and it worked great. didn't lose a pound of weight and strength kept going up.

178mg of tren ed sounds like over kill to me. sounds downright dangerous actually. that's over 1200mg of tren per week, which is by far the highest i've ever heard of.
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Interesting, this is the first time I have heard anyone say they actually increased their strength from JUST IGF-1
 
actually, i forgot to write this part but i was taking 50mg winny as well. still, i expected to lose SOME weight or strength from the lack of test but i didn't so..........
 
I'm sure it was real, got 4 carts from a vet supply. I guess I'll drop it a bit, but man, I just love that ****! I did do 150mg/ed for 8 weeks and exploded w/ strength. I'll be sure to extend the test a bit. I may have enough for 2 50 day cycles, this being my first time using it I may just use 20mcg/day.

How much did you use beelzebub?

and glenihan, you're saying not to use HCG?? "without hcg to run throughout" ? or run it throughout u say?
 
i think he meant during the cycle for HCG use.

anywho, i ran the IGF at 40mcg's upon the advice from a few more experienced bros.
 
that much tren is just retarded... i run 50mg ED MAX , i have done 100mg ed and all i got was shity sides... no way u need that much tren, its a strong hormon...
 
i just noticed ur running deca and tren together.. thats just asking for trouble.... not a good idea to stack em together high chance of gyno

ps. hcg throughout is a good diea...
 
well tren and deca are a great combo IMO (doesn't agree with some people though) that much tren is just dumb. It would be far safter and more efective to run 2 grams of test a week. I would head the adive given above
 
no i meant definitely run the hcg throughout the cycle ESPECIALLY if you are running deca and tren together
 
Ok, I'm sticking w/ the 15 week plan extend test a week and drop deca a week.

I'll be doing atleast one four week cycle of MR's IGF-1 @40mcg/day. I may do two. If I only do one, should I do it during cycle or pct? If I do both, which weeks should I do during and when to start for pct?

I will also be using slin post workout and plan on building my way up to 10iu post workout. NEED HELP planning out the use of slin. (will be using Humalog). What's the longest I can stay on? Should I use it w/ the IGF? Should I take it on the days I don't workout?

I'll probably be taking 10iu first thing in the morning and again post workout either 3 or 4 weeks w/ 2 weeks off, and just first thing in the morning on non-training days. I take 40-60g of dextrose w/ 50g whey and 10g creatine first thing in the morning every day, even now. If I'm doing that while on cycle I figure it wouldn't harm to do the slin then aswell, may actually help. Does this sound good to you guys? Is 2 weeks off long enough, can I take a shorter break? Should I not be taking it 7 days a week? Will 4 weeks be too long? How should I coordinated IGF use w/ this?

Thankx alot guys, I appreciate all of your help.... btw I'll be doing 75mg/tren a day, just realized I was doing 150mg/eod last cycle not ed.
 
i can't help with the slin as i know very little about how to properly use it

i would recommend using the igf for 4 weeks the last 2 weeks of cycle and the first 2 weeks of pct, it doesn't hinder recovery and will help solidify gains
 
thankx glenihan, I'll proabably do 4 weeks during the cycle aswell like weeks 5-9 when the test and deca are really kickin in.

anyone else have any feedback? What about the slin?
 
So this is what it looks like so far, would appreciate any comments/feedback to help w/ some fine tuning. The slin is run through the cycle w/ a 4 on 2 off setup, and the IGF w/ a 4 on 4 off setup. My main concern is w/ the use of these two as I'm new to them both.

I feel comfortable w/ the 4 on 2 off w/ the slin, mainly because I want to get 3 cycles of it in while I'm on, as I hear of how much an effect it can have while on AAS.

The IGF will be run @ 40mcg/ed if I can afford it, if not I'll do two 20mcg cycles. That is unless someone could tell me that 1 40mcg cycle is better than 2 20mcg cycles.

I'm most concerned w/ the timing of the 2nd cycle of IGF. Should I start it later so it will run further into pct? I'm kinda leaning toward this idea as I only will be using nolva pct. That is unless i can get my hands on some HCG, but I'm not sure it will be needed.

I'd appreciate any feedback to help me w/ this, it's not set in stone, so I'll take any suggestions. I may run a little more than 2cc's of the deca a week so it'll run out before the test. This will be my first use of Slin and IGF, (I'll start w/ a low dose on the slin and increase each day) so any feedback on the use of these would help a lot. Thanks guys.

Week--------Test--------Deca--------D-bol------Tren---------Slin---- -----IGF------------Nolva--------
1 ----------500mg ------400mg -----25mg/day ------------10iu-20iu/ed --------------20mg/day if needed
2 ----------500mg ------400mg -----25mg/day ------------10iu-20iu/ed --------------20mg/day if needed
3 ----------500mg ------400mg -----25mg/day ------------10iu-20iu/ed --------------20mg/day if needed
4 ----------500mg ------400mg -----25mg/day ------------10iu-20iu/ed --------------20mg/day if needed
5 ----------500mg ------400mg -----25mg/day --------------------------40mcg/ed ---20mg/day if needed
6 ----------500mg ------400mg -----25mg/day --------------------------40mcg/ed ---20mg/day if needed
7 ----------500mg ------400mg ---------------------------10iu-20iu/ed -40mcg/ed ---20mg/day if needed
8 ----------500mg ------400mg ---------------75mg/day --10iu-20iu/ed -40mcg/ed ---20mg/day if needed
9 ----------500mg ------400mg ---------------75mg/day --10iu-20iu/ed --------------20mg/day if needed
10 ---------500mg ------400mg ---------------75mg/day --10iu-20iu/ed --------------20mg/day if needed
11 ---------500mg ------400mg ---------------75mg/day ----------------------------20mg/day if needed
12 ---------500mg ------400mg ---------------75mg/day ----------------------------20mg/day if needed
13 ---------500mg ------400mg ---------------75mg/day --10iu-20iu/ed -40mcg/ed ---20mg/day if needed
14 ---------500mg ------400mg ---------------75mg/day --10iu-20iu/ed -40mcg/ed ---20mg/day if needed
15 ---------500mg ------400mg ---------------75mg/day --10iu-20iu/ed -40mcg/ed ---20mg/day if needed
16 ------------------------------------------------- ------10iu-20iu/ed -40mcg/ed ---------------------
17 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------40mg/day------
18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------40mg/day------
19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------40mg/day------
20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------40mg/day------
 
i dont think you'll notice much of anything from 20mcg of igf-1 i think you'll be much better off with 40mcg even if it only means one 4 weeker of it
 
nope .. this is all based on what i've read and what i've read about others' experiences ... so take it with a grain of salt

haven't been able to afford IGF-1 yet
 
Was wondering if a 4 week GH cycle would do better than the IGF? I'd throw in a 120iu kit of fitropin for weeks 5-8 instead of the IGF and stick w/ the IGF for pct as already set up. Since a 4 week cycle of Fitropin is about the same in price as the IGF, I thought I'd bounce this thought off you guys and see what you all thought. Would 4 weeks really do much here or am I better off sticking w/ the IGF?
 
Ive ran slin a bunh of times before and I reccomend running it 2on-2off. U dont want your body to build resistance to slin. Which it will. And if that happens you have a greater probablity of gaining fat.
 
really......that's the first time I've heard that. I've either heard 4 on 4 off or 4 on 2 off. Interesting.....is there anyway to tell that my body is building resistance to it buy time week 3 or 4 rolls around? I've noticed that w/ vanadyl and r-ala, after taking it a few days I don't get the hypo/dizzy feeling that I used to. Would I notice something similar w/ the slin?
 
EDNhoss12 said:
really......that's the first time I've heard that. I've either heard 4 on 4 off or 4 on 2 off. Interesting.....is there anyway to tell that my body is building resistance to it buy time week 3 or 4 rolls around? I've noticed that w/ vanadyl and r-ala, after taking it a few days I don't get the hypo/dizzy feeling that I used to. Would I notice something similar w/ the slin?
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You can ALWAYS go hypo with slin, keep a roll of glucose tabs handy. I used to keep Smarties(tm) candies handy too and eat one with my post w/o shake. Each roll is 7grams of dextrose.

I'd say use the slin at 2iu's right in with your igf injects and then do a slin cycle alone 4 weeks after last igf cycle. You gotta have your diet SPOT ON using slin or you will gain some BF.
 
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