12 weeks of gear no change in labs?

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Hey guys wondering if anyone elses labs were ever unaffected by Test cyp?

12 weeks in and RBC, Crit, Lipids all unaffected.

Also no increase in strength as well :(
Is that normal?

First non oral cycle


500/week split 250mgx2
 
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your ager could be helping.. While my bloods come back really good, after several yrs of trt, my hematocrit is higher than range. the rest is usually perfect and in range.
 
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Are the numbers exactly the same? Or did everything just stay in range? My numbers usually stay in range. What were your total test and free test before and after
 
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your ager could be helping.. While my bloods come back really good, after several yrs of trt, my hematocrit is higher than range. the rest is usually perfect and in range.
Interesting. Thank you. So being older might be protecting the labs but if prolonged then it may climb up?

Are the numbers exactly the same? Or did everything just stay in range? My numbers usually stay in range. What were your total test and free test before and after
Actually the RBC went down some as did the lipids.

Also E2 didnt rise (Separate thread on that) with no asin.

I dunno the free test ufortunately.

Only total test which we know the free test is more important to know.

Anyways
TT Before 774
TT 5 weeks in >3000

So I know it's not bunk and I only buy from huge guys who use the same test cyp.

I dunno. I'm confused.

No changes in strength
No changes in labs

Maybe I just don't respond to test or I need several cycles.

Being the labs are all ok Im going to blast longer than usual and see what happens though at 12 weeks with no response I'm not optimistic.

Thx all who replied.
 

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If you didnt see anything from 500 a week for 12 weeks i dont think going higher or longer with test would help.

The fact that your hematocrit didnt rise at all is a red flag for me that your body somehow doesnt respond to testosterone. It may not respond to AAS at all since all AAS are basically derivatives of testosterone.

Instead, go for minimal dose of test, like 125 a week and add other stuff on top of it.

Or who knows? You might be the one who responds great to sarms.

I mean, if you dont respond to testosterone...fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

We are all different and respond in different ways. For me anything abovw 125 a week of test lowers/kills my libido, but i do get stronger and bigger.
Also, testosterone doesnt make me feel good. Hcg, on the other hand, does.


PS: how did you respond to oral only cycles? Did you get bigger and stronger?
 
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I'd get another blood test to confirm it wasn't a false positive. In studies people that didn't workout had measurable gains in strength.
 
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If you didnt see anything from 500 a week for 12 weeks i dont think going higher or longer with test would help.

The fact that your hematocrit didnt rise at all is a red flag for me that your body somehow doesnt respond to testosterone. It may not respond to AAS at all since all AAS are basically derivatives of testosterone.

Instead, go for minimal dose of test, like 125 a week and add other stuff on top of it.

Or who knows? You might be the one who responds great to sarms.

I mean, if you dont respond to testosterone...fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...

We are all different and respond in different ways. For me anything abovw 125 a week of test lowers/kills my libido, but i do get stronger and bigger.
Also, testosterone doesnt make me feel good. Hcg, on the other hand, does.


PS: how did you respond to oral only cycles? Did you get bigger and stronger?
Thanks for the reply. Reading it actually made me depressed AF. Only because it has sunk in that I really don't respond. I was hanging on to maybe up it, maybe go longer but what you wrote is truth.

You say I can't do any AAS at all?

So what else is left then? Just be a regular natty bro then?

I'm serious. What is an alternative do you think?

Deca, Tren are derived from test no?

Sarms. Never did a thing. Tried most.

Orals. In the past only did PH. DMZ was awesome like 7 yrs ago. Discontinued now.

I just want to get some gains as I'm older and it is harder to get gains. Thnx for your reply.

Ps. I actually went off my diet from reading your reply. I got mucho pissed that it doesn't work. Lol. Only because it's the truth and I needed to read it from another.


I'd get another blood test to confirm it wasn't a false positive. In studies people that didn't workout had measurable gains in strength.
My two roommates are bodybuilders on the same test. I was afraid to pin till now. But no need for repeat, their test is same as mine only they respond and I don't. Sigh. Thnx for the reply.
 
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Thanks for the reply. Reading it actually made me depressed AF. Only because it has sunk in that I really don't respond. I was hanging on to maybe up it, maybe go longer but what you wrote is truth.

You say I can't do any AAS at all?

So what else is left then? Just be a regular natty bro then?

I'm serious. What is an alternative do you think?

Deca, Tren are derived from test no?

Sarms. Never did a thing. Tried most.

Orals. In the past only did PH. DMZ was awesome like 7 yrs ago. Discontinued now.

I just want to get some gains as I'm older and it is harder to get gains. Thnx for your reply.

Ps. I actually went off my diet from reading your reply. I got mucho pissed that it doesn't work. Lol. Only because it's the truth and I needed to read it from another.




My two roommates are bodybuilders on the same test. I was afraid to pin till now. But no need for repeat, their test is same as mine only they respond and I don't. Sigh. Thnx for the reply.
There's no reason to believe that other compounds won't "work for you".
 

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No i didnt say that. That is why i asked if orals worked for you. From your response (it was awesome 7 years ago) it seems lioke they did.

All i said is ditch the test only thing and try stacking.
 
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Vl still supplys DMZ my friend.. maybe you could add some to your test. I find it odd your tt is 3k but your not seeing any benefits.. like nothing? no improvements in libido, erection quality, mood, sense of well being ect?
 
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Hey guys wondering if anyone elses labs were ever unaffected by Test cyp?

12 weeks in and RBC, Crit, Lipids all unaffected.

Also no increase in strength as well :(
Is that normal?

First non oral cycle


500/week split 250mgx2
You definitely can have your rbc, crir, lipids ect go unaffected, but that's your test levels at?
 
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There's ppl who can run a gram and have everything come back in range. I just saw test is over 3000, definitely not bunk. If anything you should be happy your body is handling everything so good.
 
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No i didnt say that. That is why i asked if orals worked for you. From your response (it was awesome 7 years ago) it seems lioke they did.

All i said is ditch the test only thing and try stacking.
But orals are AAS too no? U said AAS wont work.

So confused yet again

What stack do you mean?

Thanks for reply.


You definitely can have your rbc, crir, lipids ect go unaffected, but that's your test levels at?
TT >3000

Vl still supplys DMZ my friend.. maybe you could add some to your test. I find it odd your tt is 3k but your not seeing any benefits.. like nothing? no improvements in libido, erection quality, mood, sense of well being ect?
Good to know, thanks! That DMZ like 7-8 years ago was the bomb. Way better than Test for me.

Yea its odd >3000 (tested it twice) and really no change in body comp, strength, the bedroom, sense of well being, just nothing. Very odd.


There's ppl who can run a gram and have everything come back in range. I just saw test is over 3000, definitely not bunk. If anything you should be happy your body is handling everything so good.
Yes I am happy with my labs but not happy that a verified TT level of >3000 shows absolutely no effect at the gym.....

Sigh...



So guys what to do?


Up test?
Add Deca?

Orals only with test base?


Im actually 10.5 weeks in, I said 12 but I goofed but still enough time. I mean if the chit worked for me in the gym and with these great labs, I could blast for months and months but if zero effects, thats kinda dumb af to do.


THANKS to all for the input.
 

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I recommend getting your cortisol and thyroid hormones checked. TRT/Cycling won't work and in fact would make things worse for you. 24-Hour Saliva cortisol test. Check Free T3, Free T4 and Reverse T3 blood tests.
 
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I recommend getting your cortisol and thyroid hormones checked. TRT/Cycling won't work and in fact would make things worse for you. 24-Hour Saliva cortisol test. Check Free T3, Free T4 and Reverse T3 blood tests.
Thyroid was done with all those tests but not cortisol. Thx for the reply.
 
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perhaps your SBGH is too high. are you taking an AI?
 
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ok so maybe purchase some divinil? I think it works by lowering SBGH
 
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I really need suggestions as to what to try next.

Deca
Tren

Orals and which


Thanks
 
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Honestly anything, pick something and run with it, I just wouldn't add more test cuz it's probably going to be a waste. What have you used in the past?
 
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Honestly anything, pick something and run with it, I just wouldn't add more test cuz it's probably going to be a waste. What have you used in the past?
Ok thanks much

In the past I’ve only run orals but stopped because liver enzymes were an issue

I took TUDCA but it didn’t help my bloodwork then so that’s why I decided to go the IM route

Agree on the test is kind of wasteful but if I were to choose Deca I suppose I’d need some low dose Test to avoid shutdown?
 
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Ok thanks much

In the past I’ve only run orals but stopped because liver enzymes were an issue

I took TUDCA but it didn’t help my bloodwork then so that’s why I decided to go the IM route

Agree on the test is kind of wasteful but if I were to choose Deca I suppose I’d need some low dose Test to avoid shutdown?
If you run an oral again, I'd use TUDCA AND NAC, if I were you. They work by different means.
 
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Ok thanks much

In the past I’ve only run orals but stopped because liver enzymes were an issue

I took TUDCA but it didn’t help my bloodwork then so that’s why I decided to go the IM route

Agree on the test is kind of wasteful but if I were to choose Deca I suppose I’d need some low dose Test to avoid shutdown?
Test won't avoid shutdown, it's to maintain normal function. Yes you could do test anywhere from 125mg to whatever your running now. If you pick deca keep test higher. Some like low test high deca, I'm not in for that.

Or pct or cruise for a while and start a new cycle, 300 test 300 eq taper up the doses as you go. Could also use something like test and lgd at 20mg a day for 8 weeks. Maybe some mk677. That's a safe easy cycle as long as your not prolactin sensitive to mk.
 
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jeebus Smont your shoulders look all huge n sh17 in that AVI ~!!
 
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Test won't avoid shutdown, it's to maintain normal function. Yes you could do test anywhere from 125mg to whatever your running now. If you pick deca keep test higher. Some like low test high deca, I'm not in for that.

Or pct or cruise for a while and start a new cycle, 300 test 300 eq taper up the doses as you go. Could also use something like test and lgd at 20mg a day for 8 weeks. Maybe some mk677. That's a safe easy cycle as long as your not prolactin sensitive to mk.
Hey bro thanks for the reply.

I've done all the sarms but nothing from them. Even LGD which suppose to be the strongest.

I'm concerned I might not respond to Deca as well and takes a while to know if is working on me.

Ifbb bro suggested Tren A cause I'd know fast if responding or not.

I dunno EQ as mentioned. I'll look into that.

Thanks.
 
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im thinking you blasted the fek out of your receptors with heavy PH use back in the day.. does this seem plausible? did you abuse the orals?
 
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idk then dude. maybe look into some myostatin inhibitors to run with your cycles or do like Lewellyn recommend to do with ArA … which is to use it as a reset on the androgen receptors in a PCT setting.. so finish up and then during post run a cycle of ArA which he believes will have some kind of resetting action and re-primes the system for another cycle. may be worth a shot in this case, again I would check my SBGH levels as well.
 
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as always... may need to consult with a high level endo to get things figured out.
 
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jeebus Smont your shoulders look all huge n sh17 in that AVI ~!!
They got nice and round while I was on that injectable lgd for a couple weeks. I'm right back to about that now after 6 days on sd. Hopefully I can get a good 10lbs on top of that
 
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They got nice and round while I was on that injectable lgd for a couple weeks. I'm right back to about that now after 6 days on sd. Hopefully I can get a good 10lbs on top of that
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idk then dude. maybe look into some myostatin inhibitors to run with your cycles or do like Lewellyn recommend to do with ArA … which is to use it as a reset on the androgen receptors in a PCT setting.. so finish up and then during post run a cycle of ArA which he believes will have some kind of resetting action and re-primes the system for another cycle. may be worth a shot in this case, again I would check my SBGH levels as well.
Thanks for your reply.

Can you aware me as to what ArA is?
I like the reset idea though, makes sense.

And I’ll test the SBGH but which is the worse side of it? Too low or too high?
Of course in range is the preferred result I’d imagine

Thx for your input.
 
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First you don't look like a normal average human being in your avi. So there is that.

I know someone who doesn't not respond well to test but does well on DHT stuff. So he runs Masteron at a high dose, with some Deca in the background. Also something like NPP wouldn't take that long for you to see gains. Regular deca yeah but NPP should show its head reasonably soon if working.

Also liver values are transient, I wouldn't ever expect to keep them in line on cycle (it can happen). Otherwise the regernerative capability of the liver is pretty amazing and high liver values go down once the orals are stopped. Unless yours were staying elevated after cycles for some reason I wouldn't say them getting out of range on cycle is a problem. I wouldn't go living off of orals but if DMZ works for you then that is something to try or another progesterone based gear. Possibly IM SD.

Like someone else said above you are either going to have to just try new things or go see an endo to have your situation sorted out.
 

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Exogenous androgens/thyroid/GH, etc. will NOT work if you have low cortisol levels. You can inject every substance of gear available, but nothing will work until you address this problem. In fact, you are only making things worse as steroids suppress glucocorticoid (cortisol) production.
Do the 24-Hour Saliva Cortisol test.
You then need to figure out the root cause of why your adrenal glands are not producing sufficient cortisol. Have you taken antibiotics in the past? I'd look into your microbiome and get it tested with a Genova Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis. Work with a Naturopathic physician and have them order the test. Research the Gut-Brain axis; Cortisol CANNOT be produced at normal levels if your gut (intestines) have dysbiosis. Probiotics will not help if this is the case once your cortisol output has been severely diminished.
 
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First you don't look like a normal average human being in your avi. So there is that.

I know someone who doesn't not respond well to test but does well on DHT stuff. So he runs Masteron at a high dose, with some Deca in the background. Also something like NPP wouldn't take that long for you to see gains. Regular deca yeah but NPP should show its head reasonably soon if working.

Also liver values are transient, I wouldn't ever expect to keep them in line on cycle (it can happen). Otherwise the regernerative capability of the liver is pretty amazing and high liver values go down once the orals are stopped. Unless yours were staying elevated after cycles for some reason I wouldn't say them getting out of range on cycle is a problem. I wouldn't go living off of orals but if DMZ works for you then that is something to try or another progesterone based gear. Possibly IM SD.

Like someone else said above you are either going to have to just try new things or go see an endo to have your situation sorted out.
Oh thx glad I don’t look average
I had to google NPP. Never heard of that

Good to hear I’m not the only non responder to test.
Ima prob try Deca cause guy I get from only had that. Maybe add orals to it.

i really don’t want to go to an endo at this point, I’ll try something else. Thx for the reply.



Exogenous androgens/thyroid/GH, etc. will NOT work if you have low cortisol levels. You can inject every substance of gear available, but nothing will work until you address this problem. In fact, you are only making things worse as steroids suppress glucocorticoid (cortisol) production.
Do the 24-Hour Saliva Cortisol test.
You then need to figure out the root cause of why your adrenal glands are not producing sufficient cortisol. Have you taken antibiotics in the past? I'd look into your microbiome and get it tested with a Genova Comprehensive Digestive Stool Analysis. Work with a Naturopathic physician and have them order the test. Research the Gut-Brain axis; Cortisol CANNOT be produced at normal levels if your gut (intestines) have dysbiosis. Probiotics will not help if this is the case once your cortisol output has been severely diminished.
Thx much for the info. Will get that cortisol test to see what’s up
 

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