11-oxo

I really would have liked to wait to see the price of 3ad, but I'm on the final week of a mild phera cycle and I was thinking why not tack a few weeks of 11-oxo on to it, so I'm in on the presale, allrighty then.
 
stryder said:
In stock and shipping!
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I actually received mine today. My wife and I started taking it (granted, she is at lower dosage) for cortisol suppression.

I will be posting a review shortly.

Packaging is classy, and the capsules (black or DARK brown) look very cool.
 
More?
 
what is the diffrence in this and the retain 2 that i am taking.it is a cortisol bloker to.and if i am currently taking retain would i need to wait before taking 11 oxo.
 
benjiman said:
what is the diffrence in this and the retain 2 that i am taking.it is a cortisol bloker to.and if i am currently taking retain would i need to wait before taking 11 oxo.
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I will need to ask AX the same question concerning 3-AD and Retain 2
 
yes you can stack epistane... but 3AD gives dry gains so a wet compound (pheraplex, 4AD, 1,4AD would be better)
 
methoxy- TST or test??

Anyway about the epistane question. You could stack epistane but with 2 dry compounds your joints may get a little sore. Like when on superdrol... but you may be ok
 
mmmhmmm id throw in mad amounts of bulk cissus if i were to do that stack....

n i was talkin bout m-tst, just found out in another therad that it aromatizes slightly BUT not enough to make it truely "wet" (credit to sinner) so i gues it would go good with either compound
 
Hey Poopy, have you used Methoxy-TST by Bioscience?? Does it work and you are suggesting to run it alongside 3AD correct?
 
poopypants said:
i heard mass fx aint bad but you may want to hold off on the HDX2... this was from bigsmith that i heard this....
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why would you hold of on the new hdx2 i am really was going to try the new hdx2,massxf,reatin or 11oxo stack.what did bigsmith say about it.thanks for the heads up was almost ready to oreder it don't want to waste the money if not good the ax stuff is high.
 
well its GREAT on its own or used with just mass fx, BUT he suggested against using it with 3-AD (same thing but higher dose then 11-oxo) since its efects would be masked, massfx should work synergistically though with either.
 
I just got my bottle in today, and I was wondering what the consensus is on dosing? 1 three times a day with food, or 3 all at once?
 
Daniels, it's 3 pills two times a day, so the serving size is three pills. I was wondering about the dosing myself; if dosing six pills a day, what would be better:

1 pill 6x per day?
2 pills 3x per day?
3 pills 2x per day?

Rushi, PA, your help is appreciated. Thanks.
 
daniel35 said:
I just got my bottle in today, and I was wondering what the consensus is on dosing? 1 three times a day with food, or 3 all at once?
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Here's the response PA gave to the same question posed on another forum thread.

Patrick Arnold said:
...good question. generally these things have greater bioavailability at higher dosages. OTOH, it has a relatively short half life. So once a day versus three times a day is up for debate. always take with food though
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daniel35 said:
I just got my bottle in today, and I was wondering what the consensus is on dosing? 1 three times a day with food, or 3 all at once?
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I am now doing 2 caps twice a day, and I am loving it.
 
Alpha-male said:
Daniels, it's 3 pills two times a day, so the serving size is three pills. I was wondering about the dosing myself; if dosing six pills a day, what would be better:

1 pill 6x per day?
2 pills 3x per day?
3 pills 2x per day?

Rushi, PA, your help is appreciated. Thanks.
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go with 2 pills 3x per day
 
Alpha-male said:
Daniels, it's 3 pills two times a day, so the serving size is three pills. I was wondering about the dosing myself; if dosing six pills a day, what would be better:

1 pill 6x per day?
2 pills 3x per day?
3 pills 2x per day?

Rushi, PA, your help is appreciated. Thanks.
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wouldnt that make it last 10 days :think:
 
If they wanted it to be for anabolic use...yes expensive...

But like it's been explained over and over again...it is for cortisol regulation.
 
First off, thanks Rushi for your reply. Now you guys are confusing the sh1t out of me. On the bottle it says serving size is 3 pills and it says I think (don't have bottle in front of me right now) 1 - 2 servings per day.

Now, 3 pills ( 1 serving size) has 225mg in it. From all that, I gathered that it was 3 pills 2x per day or better yet 2 pills 3x per day as per Rushi's instructions. Since Ergopharm marketed this as an anti-cort type product, then I'm guessing that this is the OPTIMAL dose for the best anti-cort and fat loss effect (6 pills per day or 450mg).

So now my question is what should the optimal anti-cort/fat loss dosage be, and at what dose do the anabolic effects begin to be felt/noticed/more pronounced?

I have two bottles and plan on running it for 1 month. If i see good fat loss effects I'll buy a third bottle and finish off the 4 weeks. And for anyone who's wondering, I bought the 11-oxo instead of waiting for the 3-ad because I need to end this cut strong and wasn't gonna wait any longer. Between the waiting for 11-oxo and stimx 2.0, I was going crazy, just ended up buying stimx 1.0 this past monday.

Thanks for all your help everyone.
 
If taken at the recommended low dosage, would some sort of liver protectant still be recommended as it still is a ph?
 
liver protection is typically only used with methylated PH's not all ph's. I assume youd be more then ok in not taking anything as this is not methylated and supposed to be mild in the way of sides period.
 
i havnt heard of anyone getting green ****s or kidney pains on a much higher dose of 3-AD..... makes me wonder if ergo got something wrong....
 
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