11 oxo vs 11KT. Dosage vs dosage, which one would you choose? Why?

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What would you choose between 600mg 11-oxo Brawn or 11KT at 125mg from Iron Legion?

Why?
 
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I ran 11oxo at 1550mg for a month a long ways back. fun stuff.
 
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11KT from IL, no conversion needed and topical is a better route of administration for non-methyls.
 

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I ran 11oxo at 1550mg for a month a long ways back. fun stuff.
wow thats a huge dose...i ve ran it at 900 mg and it was amazing,pumps vascularity through the roof,the fat in midsection was melting like crazy...do you remember the things u noticed at that dose..?
 
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I'll just leave this here:


50mg/ml (5 sprays)

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Thanks for relies guys but not the info I was looking for specifically.

Whitin my scenario, what would you do between 600mg oxo and 125mg 11-Keto?
 

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Thanks for relies guys but not the info I was looking for specifically.

Whitin my scenario, what would you do between 600mg oxo and 125mg 11-Keto?
I ve used both and i was much more satisfied with the oral version tbh..i had great results but more sides from 600 mg and above.dunno though if brawns oxo is underdosed.
 
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I have run both at multiple doses. 900-1000 mg of oral 11 oxo is definately the sweet spot.

I have run up to 500 or 600 mg a day of transdermal 11-KT, even mixing it with dmso or using dmso prior to the transdermal application.

1 gram of 11-oxo without question had stronger effects than 500 mg of 11-KT IMHO.

Theory suggests this shouldn't be the case. Experience tells me differently.

Given the lower dosing, I would say that both doses ultimately will have similarly subtle results. I would choose based on the economics of each product.
 

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I ve used both and i was much more satisfied with the oral version tbh..i had great results but more sides from 600 mg and above.dunno though if brawns oxo is underdosed.
Thanks for the reply. Which kind of sides did you have.

I normally do a proper pct, but i was considering this time going for OTC at that dosage.
 

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I have run both at multiple doses. 900-1000 mg of oral 11 oxo is definately the sweet spot.

I have run up to 500 or 600 mg a day of transdermal 11-KT, even mixing it with dmso or using dmso prior to the transdermal application.

1 gram of 11-oxo without question had stronger effects than 500 mg of 11-KT IMHO.

Theory suggests this shouldn't be the case. Experience tells me differently.

Given the lower dosing, I would say that both doses ultimately will have similarly subtle results. I would choose based on the economics of each product.
Thanks for the reply. My dosage would be lower but as per your example you felt it like with the oral version you need double the dosage pretty much.

So if 1g 11-oxo is better than 500mg 11kt, I would imagine 600mg 11-oxo be better than 125mg 11kt, right?

Which PCT did you use? Did you run them solo? Sides?
 

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Thanks for the reply. Which kind of sides did you have.

I normally do a proper pct, but i was considering this time going for OTC at that dosage.
I wouldnt do otc from 600 mg and above imo.you need bloods though to be sure.
Sides were lethargy-acne and hair loss...
 

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I wouldnt do otc from 600 mg and above imo.you need bloods though to be sure.
Sides were lethargy-acne and hair loss...
Wow, hairloss? When I did 11KT i did experience some hairloss, however I was using high dosaged of 1-andro and 4 andro and I stated thinking it was that.
 

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Wow, hairloss? When I did 11KT i did experience some hairloss, however I was using high dosaged of 1-andro and 4 andro and I stated thinking it was that.
Yes mate,even though oxo is considered as mild,it can have side effects the bigger the dose so be prepared...
 
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Thanks for the reply. My dosage would be lower but as per your example you felt it like with the oral version you need double the dosage pretty much.

So if 1g 11-oxo is better than 500mg 11kt, I would imagine 600mg 11-oxo be better than 125mg 11kt, right?

Which PCT did you use? Did you run them solo? Sides?
You WOULD think that, but it isn't that simple. For some reason both compounds have their sweet spots. 900-1000 mg for 11-Oxo was awesome for me. 250-500 for 11-KT was good for me though too. I would say 500 mg of KT wasn't as awesome as 1g 11-oxo, but it also wasn't twice as good as 250 mg of 11-KT. And 1 gram of 11-oxo is easily twice as good as 600 mg of 11-oxo. It is more like ak on/off switch IME.

In other words, it isn't linear. Neither 125 mg 11-KT nor 600 mg of 11-oxo in my personal experience is optimal. I am not saying they are worthless, just not optimal. And the results are not linear. In those dose ranges, I would honestly let economics determine what to run.

They are different compounds though, even though the theory says 11-oxo is the prohormone to 11-kt.
 

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You WOULD think that, but it isn't that simple. For some reason both compounds have their sweet spots. 900-1000 mg for 11-Oxo was awesome for me. 250-500 for 11-KT was good for me though too. I would say 500 mg of KT wasn't as awesome as 1g 11-oxo, but it also wasn't twice as good as 250 mg of 11-KT. And 1 gram of 11-oxo is easily twice as good as 600 mg of 11-oxo. It is more like ak on/off switch IME.

In other words, it isn't linear. Neither 125 mg 11-KT nor 600 mg of 11-oxo in my personal experience is optimal. I am not saying they are worthless, just not optimal. And the results are not linear. In those dose ranges, I would honestly let economics determine what to run.

They are different compounds though, even though the theory says 11-oxo is the prohormone to 11-kt.
I am looking into that dosage simply because I want to cut, not necessarily build, and do it smoothly, also not going to heavy on dosages due to concerns with high blood pressure, as I will be using also clen half of time and Yohimbine hcl the rest of time
 
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Can 11-oxo raise blood pressure? Been considering this after my laxo/ecdy run...
 

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