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11-oxo/Furza/formeron Epic Cufs for the Slutz

Might give it a try later on! Would being 20 years old be on the young side of messing with hormone altering supplements?
 
NattyForLife said:
Might give it a try later on! Would being 20 years old be on the young side of messing with hormone altering supplements?
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General recommendation is to wait until you are at least 21 years old. As a rep I have to recommend to stick with that. But you are an adult and smart enough to do an educated decision... You are the one who decides in the end of the day.
 
Had insane pump today! Had a few people looking as well;) odd thug is I had low back pumps.... Weird. Going to start Dosing taurine Diet is dialing in. Today was low carb day and I felt fine wth energy. 90g of carbs. And tomorrow is medium carb day. Going to hit some shoulders tomorrow. Going to be good!

Replaced 200 of my calories with mct oil today so I'm at 2500 kCals for the day.
 
EatMoar said:
Had insane pump today! Had a few people looking as well;) odd thug is I had low back pumps.... Weird. Going to start Dosing taurine Diet is dialing in. Today was low carb day and I felt fine wth energy. 90g of carbs. And tomorrow is medium carb day. Going to hit some shoulders tomorrow. Going to be good! Replaced 200 of my calories with mct oil today so I'm at 2500 kCals for the day.
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Ive started carb cycleing this week also. What are your macros for your low, mod, and high days?
 
NattyForLife said:
Ive started carb cycleing this week also. What are your macros for your low, mod, and high days?
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Low=50-90g carbs
Medium= 130-150g carbs
High=220g+ carbs

Protein is static at 200-220g

I fill in the rest of my calories with fat where needed.
 
EatMoar said:
Low=50-90g carbs Medium= 130-150g carbs High=220g+ carbs Protein is static at 200-220g I fill in the rest of my calories with fat where needed.
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Your carbs are pretty close to mine, but i up my protein. Mine looks like this

Low- 303g pro
69g CHO
134g fats

Mod- 274 pro
147 cho
109 fats

High- 255 pro
220 cho
80 fat
 
NattyForLife said:
Your carbs are pretty close to mine, but i up my protein. Mine looks like this Low- 303g pro 69g CHO 134g fats Mod- 274 pro 147 cho 109 fats High- 255 pro 220 cho 80 fat
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Looks similar. Actually I love my low carb days because when I wake up the next day and eat anything I get a huge pump. That cycling looks good though, natty.

Still waiting on that 11-oxo as well-___-
 
EatMoar said:
Looks similar. Actually I love my low carb days because when I wake up the next day and eat anything I get a huge pump. That cycling looks good though, natty. Still waiting on that 11-oxo as well-___-
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Yea i dont mind my low carb days. Had one yesterday; woke up this morning looking leaner than normal.
 
I slammed shoulders for a good 1.5 hours today. Ended up eating around 2700 calories though, with only 160g of carbs. So I was good on my carbs but my calls were high.

11-oxo has shipped! Should be here in a day or two.

So I'm leaning out for sure, and I'm leaning out with more calories which is awesome! In going to slowly add in cardio again.

One thing I'm noticing (today and yesterday) are that my pumps and vascularity kicked up a notch. They are insane. My shoulder pump was deadly to my skin lol. I can tell the furAza is kicking in and can't wait to bump stano to 800!

Going well! Night fellas.
 
Was tired as hell and managed to kill legs today! Deadlifts, 5x10 deadlifts, front squats, rdls, and calf work. It was brutal. Saw a calf vein ! Finally. And my vascularity has been awesome lately! Shredding Nicley. 11-oxo will be here tomorrow!!!!!! FINNNAAAAAALALALALALAALY. Now this cycle can't kick up to full throttle. Resting and doing cardio tomorrow. Going to be in the library for a good 8 hours so my day will consist of lab, library, cardio and hopefully some sleep.

Also kept my calories in control and back to normal today :D
 
EatMoar said:
Thanks for joining fellas!! Jog I see you're kicking ass as well ;D
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Hell ya man, cut is starting off hot with 7lbs down in 4 weeks. Just ordered a couple bottle of Ostabol too. Not sure if I want to do a low dose cycle to preserve some muscle/add some on this cut. Loving Mountain Dog at the moment. Nice little break from 531. Are you doing 5/3/1 BBB with some added accessory work or did you write your own program?
 
joh408 said:
Hell ya man, cut is starting off hot with 7lbs down in 4 weeks. Just ordered a couple bottle of Ostabol too. Not sure if I want to do a low dose cycle to preserve some muscle/add some on this cut. Loving Mountain Dog at the moment. Nice little break from 531. Are you doing 5/3/1 BBB with some added accessory work or did you write your own program?
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I've been using the 5x10'bbb work for fun lol but it's my own version of push pull legs. The volume is killer. Taking a break from strength but still going heavy on my Main lifts.

Mountain dog? Gonna have to check it out.

For sure on the cycle! I plan to gain 3-6 lean pounds on this while cutting Up. Should be fun, I'd low dose it if you want to preserve all your shizzzz!
 
joh408 said:
Hell ya man, cut is starting off hot with 7lbs down in 4 weeks. Just ordered a couple bottle of Ostabol too. Not sure if I want to do a low dose cycle to preserve some muscle/add some on this cut. Loving Mountain Dog at the moment. Nice little break from 531. Are you doing 5/3/1 BBB with some added accessory work or did you write your own program?
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I'd run osta at 20 if you're not in pct. Don't think low dose does much outside of that scenario.
 
EatMoar said:
I've been using the 5x10'bbb work for fun lol but it's my own version of push pull legs. The volume is killer. Taking a break from strength but still going heavy on my Main lifts.

Mountain dog? Gonna have to check it out.

For sure on the cycle! I plan to gain 3-6 lean pounds on this while cutting Up. Should be fun, I'd low dose it if you want to preserve all your shizzzz!
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Clear yo PMs bro
 
Im in for this..! Looking forward to seeing your results :)
 
11oxo HAS ARRIVED!!! Just had my last dose of it, totaling 600mg. I'm dosing it with my furaza and stano together. So far no sign of bad interaction.

Today was supposed to be a rest day but I don't need one, I feel good. Hitting cardio, and and a light 8-10 set chest lift. Trying to bring my chest up a little bit.

Let's gettttt it
 
I need to bring up my chest too. It's been lacking for a long time.

I didn't know you were running stano on this too. Is lethargy pretty common on 11-oxo and furaza?
 
joh408 said:
I need to bring up my chest too. It's been lacking for a long time. I didn't know you were running stano on this too. Is lethargy pretty common on 11-oxo and furaza?
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If i could i would give you some of mine! Worked out in football for 4 years and its wayyyyyy overdeveloped.
 
joh408 said:
Haha see I got hockey legs and ass so my lower body is miles ahead of my upper
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Same here. My legs and back are great. My chest is underdeveloped. However I don't mind. I love having a huge back. Makes me feel like a ****ing cobra lol. I've always had good
Legs as well. I need to post up leg pics
 
Also gotta start dosing the 11-oxo post workout. So that's with my cycle assist, hopefully they don't compete with eachorher. Everywhere I read says to take an 11-oxo dose after workout. But I don't think it matters if it's pre or post workout.
 
Ugh 2 hours of chem, I need a break. Time to liftzzz. Everything is now at it's full dose for the cycle. Let the fun begin.
 
Alright rested yesterday and hit chest today.

I pressed 215x4 on bench. Didn't realize how much stronger I got, I usually don't go heavy on bench but hell I liked it! It was a huge pump. The pumps just get better and better as the days go on.

I do get slight calf pumps for some reason. But no big deal.

Low carb day today. Max carbs =90g and then back to medium carbs tomorrow. What I am doing is eat at a medium carb state 130-170g during the week. Carb up on Friday or Saturday then go low carb after my carb up day. It's been working well for me. Also on low carb days I've been replacing those lost calories with fat (obviously) and mct oil.

On another note, in horny as hell... Stano must be doing it's magic and 11-oxo to soon follow.
 
EatMoar said:
Alright rested yesterday and hit chest today.

I pressed 215x4 on bench. Didn't realize how much stronger I got, I usually don't go heavy on bench but hell I liked it! It was a huge pump. The pumps just get better and better as the days go on.

I do get slight calf pumps for some reason. But no big deal.

Low carb day today. Max carbs =90g and then back to medium carbs tomorrow. What I am doing is eat at a medium carb state 130-170g during the week. Carb up on Friday or Saturday then go low carb after my carb up day. It's been working well for me. Also on low carb days I've been replacing those lost calories with fat (obviously) and mct oil.

On another note, in horny as hell... Stano must be doing it's magic and 11-oxo to soon follow.
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Keep it up bro..!
 
I ended up falling asleep when I got home from class, at 7pm lol, and woke up at 11pm. Applied my formeron ten went to sleep. My god I was so tired, such a busy day of meeting with professors, studying, and doing this research paper/speech.

Ended up eating 50-80g of carbs at 2,000 calories yesterday. Pretty low for a rest day but not bad. Woke up full this morning which was nice. Still leaning out.

I think I'm going to start doing hiit, on the olyptixal or sprints instead of the stair stepper to give it a rest.

Smashing back today!! After lab lol.
 
Psychward said:
Sweet another thread I can follow :)
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Welcome. Alrght so I need some help here , diet wise. I'm eating clean as usual and everything is counted. Carbs are morning and peri workout and no carbs out of that spectrum. However I'm eating at 2400 calories. I do feel like I'm leaning out slower for some reason but I have also noticed I am not really dropping scale pounds. In fact it looks like I am getting bigger :O. This happened on lean cut, but on lean cut in ended up losing 15 lbs on the scale. I know I shouldn't really care about the scale but should I try reducing my calories to 2200kcal or would that be to little? My tdee is measured between 2700-2900 currently

My diet has been constant, with low carb rest days and a refeed every week. On my normal lifting days it's no more than 150g of carbs.
 
Mystere3 said:
What's your BMR? Set your calories at that level for a cut.
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1900-2050 kCals using 4 different calculators. So I should be eating that low of calories? That seems quite low, I've always followed tdee at deficit.

So what should I do oh great mystere
 
EatMoar said:
1900-2050 kCals using 4 different calculators. So I should be eating that low of calories? That seems quite low, I've always followed tdee at deficit. So what should I do oh great mystere
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Do not eat your bmr calories, unless you lay in bed 24/7 literally!
 
NattyForLife said:
Do not eat your bmr calories, unless you lay in bed 24/7 literally!
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I know that lol. Bmr is based on activity , age and lean body mass. Check this out.
 

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All i do is find my bmr and multiply it by 1.6. Works for me!
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If I'm doing it that way, then I may be eating to little? I could be crushing my metabolism. 2000x1.6= 3200. So calculating a deficit from that I should be eating 2700 calories lol. Interesting. I'm so curious, I've crushed my metabolism way back when, but I didn't think at 2400 calories I could be doing that.

The 1.6 obviously coming from your activity, since I lift 4-6 days a week, that makes sense to me.

What do you think natty or anyone?
 
EatMoar said:
If I'm doing it that way, then I may be eating to little? I could be crushing my metabolism. 2000x1.6= 3200. So calculating a deficit from that I should be eating 2700 calories lol. Interesting. I'm so curious, I've crushed my metabolism way back when, but I didn't think at 2400 calories I could be doing that. The 1.6 obviously coming from your activity, since I lift 4-6 days a week, that makes sense to me. What do you think natty or anyone?
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Yea your eating way to little! Multiply your bmr by 1.55-1.6; then subtract 500 from that number! That is a good estimate on how many calories you need to eat a day to lose 1lb a week!
 
NattyForLife said:
Yea your eating way to little! Multiply your bmr by 1.55-1.6; then subtract 500 from that number! That is a good estimate on how many calories you need to eat a day to lose 1lb a week!
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Interesting. I shall up my calories to 2700. I keep forgetting I'm not as small as I used to be. I'll give it a go!
 
EatMoar said:
Interesting. I shall up my calories to 2700. I keep forgetting I'm not as small as I used to be. I'll give it a go!
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Good call man. I'm down 7-8 lbs in 4 1/2 weeks with calories at 2800 most days. Got a lot more muscle than last time cutting
 
joh408 said:
Good call man. I'm down 7-8 lbs in 4 1/2 weeks with calories at 2800 most days. Got a lot more muscle than last time cutting
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Thanks joh, I totally meant to hop in your thread to ask you how you like back loading!
 
EatMoar said:
Thanks joh, I totally meant to hop in your thread to ask you how you like back loading!
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It's going great. Plenty of carbs at night so I have fuel for the next day. I can see changes every day or 2 which is awesome. Plus I get to crush stuff like bacon and eggs in the morning and a couple bowls of Captain Crunch or Cinnamon Toast Crunch at night.
 
joh408 said:
It's going great. Plenty of carbs at night so I have fuel for the next day. I can see changes every day or 2 which is awesome. Plus I get to crush stuff like bacon and eggs in the morning and a couple bowls of Captain Crunch or Cinnamon Toast Crunch at night.
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Aha that's always good. I tried back loading but never really liked it to much. Glad it's going well.


Alright so calories are going up to 2700 kCals for a few days. Let's see if I truly was under eating. Haven't done that in awhile lol.
 
and its a good night for some legZZZZ just finished studying some digestive system and metabolism (fun stuffzx guyzzzz) and its onto the gym! SQUAAAATZZ BABBBBBBBBBBTYYY


Also I'm glad that I increased my calories before getting deeper into this cycle. I heard furaza and 11-oxo work great at a smaller deficit or maintenance calories.
 
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