10iu GH ed Log

Walkerballer said:
So is the general consensus that gorillamuscle is full of sh*t? Because he hasn't even been running it for a full month yet and is claiming to have seen what seems to be pretty drastic effects.
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Most likely, it takes time to notice anything. I'm suprised he feels an increase in sex drive..? HGH is not test...
 
Walkerballer said:
My post sounded a little harsh, I apologize lol. But what I mean is it may take 6 months to notice GROWTH, so is it possible what you are experiencing in the first few weeks is placebo?
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Hell yeah it did haha its cool! But yeah GH works within the first dose, but obviously 99% of people taking GH are taking it for the goal of growth, which wouldn't be noticeable until 4-6+ months of use.
 
alwaysfirst said:
Most likely, it takes time to notice anything. I'm suprised he feels an increase in sex drive..? HGH is not test...
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Me too, but its probably because my sleep is deeper and longer which would effect test levels. Sleep hasn't been lacking or anything, but it could of been better...now being on GH..its alot better!
 
i think i may run gh soon, pricey tho! its good to see a log on it that is actually somewhat consistent, please keep us updated brah!
 
I can say im noticing the growth now, minimal, but it is noticeable via measurements. So anyone know what the average dose the pro's use of GH? lol
 
gorillamuscle said:
I can say im noticing the growth now, minimal, but it is noticeable via measurements. So anyone know what the average dose the pro's use of GH? lol
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Whatever it takes to get 22" arms I bet. It probably differs greatly depending on body type and genetics.

I know a guy in my gym that without GH (granted he is running test for sure), he walks around with 21" arms weighing in at about 250lbs and less than 10% BF. Freggin beast.

People like him could get away with 5-10iu's daily. Most of us would need 10-20 a day for stupid awesome gains, lol.
 
Deadlifted 365 for 20 today, usually I get gassed when doing high reps. Not today! I did 315 for 16 a few months back, but then again ive been hammering my hams and traps.
 
Adding IGF-1 LR3 to the mix! Love peptides! Results haven't been crazy or insane, but the gains and body composition benefits are respectable for just using GH.
 
No bac water! No worries, continue the GH on its own for now though.

What have I noticed so far?
+euphoric cool calm mood all day long
+muscles are fuller
+joints feel very very strong
+aching joints not aching no more!
+waist seems to be slimmed down
+sleep has been deep! which is problaby the biggest benefit here
 
gorillamuscle said:
No bac water! No worries, continue the GH on its own for now though.

What have I noticed so far?
+euphoric cool calm mood all day long
+muscles are fuller
+joints feel very very strong
+aching joints not aching no more!
+waist seems to be slimmed down
+sleep has been deep! which is problaby the biggest benefit here
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You can count on deeper sleep with IGF-1. That stuff will make you border line hypoglycemic if taken too often or in too high of a dose. I stayed tired all the time running that stuff ED @ 20mcg/day. It may be good for nutrient partitioning but it comes at a price.
 
So do we conclude that this cycle is legit or not ?


I wanna get on 10iu somatropin. Should I do it or is it a waste?
 
GLHF said:
So do we conclude that this cycle is legit or not ?


I wanna get on 10iu somatropin. Should I do it or is it a waste?
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There shouldnt be a debate as to whether 10iu/day of GH will give you gains. IMO, you need to stack it with Test & EQ to get the most out of it and you'll need to run it 3 months minimum. If running solo, it could make for a good cutter.

The question is whether or not you have legit GH. If you do, then yes, expect it to be worthwhile, if stacked.
 
fueledpassion said:
There shouldnt be a debate as to whether 10iu/day of GH will give you gains. IMO, you need to stack it with Test & EQ to get the most out of it and you'll need to run it 3 months minimum. If running solo, it could make for a good cutter.

The question is whether or not you have legit GH. If you do, then yes, expect it to be worthwhile, if stacked.
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if i do end up getting growth it will be the exact same as OPs. Its somatropin. But the deal is just too good to be true....ive never seen growth that cheap ever before.
I hope OP is not a fan boy of the product, making up fake logs for some type of benefit. seen it before on promuscle many times...

if i was to run this somatropin, it will be with test e and EQ, and tren in the mix as well. might as well go in all out.

OP, im not trying to put u down in any way, im just saying man.
 
fueledpassion said:
There shouldnt be a debate as to whether 10iu/day of GH will give you gains. IMO, you need to stack it with Test & EQ to get the most out of it and you'll need to run it 3 months minimum. If running solo, it could make for a good cutter.

The question is whether or not you have legit GH. If you do, then yes, expect it to be worthwhile, if stacked.
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Agreed.

I just wanted to really test out how GH works on its own.
 
GLHF said:
if i do end up getting growth it will be the exact same as OPs. Its somatropin. But the deal is just too good to be true....ive never seen growth that cheap ever before.
I hope OP is not a fan boy of the product, making up fake logs for some type of benefit. seen it before on promuscle many times...

if i was to run this somatropin, it will be with test e and EQ, and tren in the mix as well. might as well go in all out.

OP, im not trying to put u down in any way, im just saying man.
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Nah man its cool and I understand. I see that go on all the time, im not no fan boy, im just a man that realizes finding legit GH is difficult. Plus me being curious on the effects of GH on its own.
 
From my understanding, there isn't a more sustainable & easy "cycle" than Test & GH. I only recommend EQ in the mix for added hunger and stamina, since both can drastically enhance muscle growth over the long haul. Tren, however, I recommend to stay away from. Something that powerful simply cannot be safe or healthy for your body, even in the short-term. You just don't need it for sustainable gains.
 
Im looking at getting 1500iu and running that at 10iu/ed straight. ill have test e 500mg/week entire time. Idk if i should add EQ at lets say 400mg/week on top of the Test for entire time (6months) for some extra muscle/hunger/stamina/vascularity or if i should blast it at lets say 800mg/week for 4months straight. Or 500test, 400eq, + 1-2 fast acting steroids cycled in and out like mast + var.

Im still extremely sceptical at the price of this growth. only one way to really know for sure.
 
GLHF said:
Im looking at getting 1500iu and running that at 10iu/ed straight. ill have test e 500mg/week entire time. Idk if i should add EQ at lets say 400mg/week on top of the Test for entire time (6months) for some extra muscle/hunger/stamina/vascularity or if i should blast it at lets say 800mg/week for 4months straight. Or 500test, 400eq, + 1-2 fast acting steroids cycled in and out like mast + var.

Im still extremely sceptical at the price of this growth. only one way to really know for sure.
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If skeptical, buy a small amount, take several IU's for a few days, then go to a LabCorp thru privatemdlabs.com and get an IGF-1 test completed. Levels should be off the charts.

That's the only way to be sure...
 
fueledpassion said:
If skeptical, buy a small amount, take several IU's for a few days, then go to a LabCorp thru privatemdlabs.com and get an IGF-1 test completed. Levels should be off the charts.

That's the only way to be sure...
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That's a smart way to do it. I was on hgh for a while and when I finally checked my IGF-1 levels it came back low :( my stuff was bunk...
It's never a way to know with the UG stuff until you actually do a blood test.
 
alwaysfirst said:
That's a smart way to do it. I was on hgh for a while and when I finally checked my IGF-1 levels it came back low :( my stuff was bunk...
It's never a way to know with the UG stuff until you actually do a blood test.
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Yeah, this method is a bit pricey, but if we're talking about GH, everything is pricey. Spending the extra $150 for the test could save you hundreds if not thousands of committed funds to bunk or underdosed GH. However, a very awesome benefit is that this test comes with a full male hormone panel testing including cholesterol readings, CBC, sex & metabolism hormones such as T3 & IGF. You pretty much get everything you need in a blood test.
 
jiggero said:
That's good advice.
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I do this for all of my peptides. Going to try a new company out soon for Ipamorelin. However, in order to play ball with these guys I have to purchase 50mg bulk amounts :(

Either way, I feel pretty good about it because they provide a number of products for Pfizer.

It's trickier with peptides other than GH though. Timing is really key and a megadose + a solid, carb-laden meal is necessary literally just an hour before going in for tests. The good thing here is that during all of the processes involved for testing peptides, the most constant and consistent process is LabCorp. I literally get in and out in 10 minutes or less, which is good for these types of studies.
 
fueledpassion said:
I do this for all of my peptides. Going to try a new company out soon for Ipamorelin. However, in order to play ball with these guys I have to purchase 50mg bulk amounts :(

Either way, I feel pretty good about it because they provide a number of products for Pfizer.

It's trickier with peptides other than GH though. Timing is really key and a megadose + a solid, carb-laden meal is necessary literally just an hour before going in for tests. The good thing here is that during all of the processes involved for testing peptides, the most constant and consistent process is LabCorp. I literally get in and out in 10 minutes or less, which is good for these types of studies.
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So in order to get an accurate blood test reading of your igf-1 level you need to eat a high carb meal right before you get tested?
 
jiggero said:
So in order to get an accurate blood test reading of your igf-1 level you need to eat a high carb meal right before you get tested?
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Well, IGF-1 needs a few things. GH and insulin. Or in a simpler explanation, GH and food.

Turns out, privatemdlabs actually has an HGH test for only $49. So that would be the easiest way. Just take a large dose 15-30 minutes before going in for the test. In the realm of anabolic hormones, high GH levels does not always equate to high IGF-1 levels. It usually does, but not always.

Those who train hard and more frequently will likely see a rise in IGF-1 levels. I try to imagine these two as having a similar relationship as Total T and Free T does to each other. Just because the one is high doesnt always mean the other will be spot on as well. But if I'm not mistaken, the relationship between GH, IGF-1 and MGF is not fully understood.
 
Fueled, i am getting hgh. I wanna run IGF lr3 with it. How would I do Incorporate both at the aame time? My hgh is supposedly pharma grade USA made, but my IGF is research grade.

I also have test e and eq along that.
 
GLHF said:
Fueled, i am getting hgh. I wanna run IGF lr3 with it. How would I do Incorporate both at the aame time? My hgh is supposedly pharma grade USA made, but my IGF is research grade.

I also have test e and eq along that.
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IGF-1 post workout. If it's legit stuff, you shouldn't need more than 20mcg/day considering the other things you are running.

IGF-1 LR3 is not the same thing as IGF-1. It isn't localized and doesn't necessarily cause immediate proliferation of muscle tissue. However, it does act like a super insulin - shuttling glucose and nutrients to the muscle cell almost exclusively. This is where it is most benefitial. Take IGF before your largest meal(s) of the day. Usually for me those are breakfast and post workout meals. Since IGF acts alot like insulin and has nutrient partitioning effects, don't be surprised if it plays with your blood sugar alittle or even alot. For me, it exhausted my sugar levels and caused me to stay in a state of slumber and sleepiness. I hated it but the physiological effects obviously made a difference.

Personally, I'd just take a low dose PWO (about 10mcg). If you are already on Test/EQ/GH, you shouldn't "need" anything else to get bigger and leaner. That's an incredible stack and IF you have a diet that is plentiful in nutrient-dense calories, you'll see incredibile gains.

IF (but won't be) I did a cycle like this and I could afford GH, I'd run

300 Test- E
500 EQ
300 Mast-E
4 IU/day GH
200mcg Ipamorelin @ night

I bet with something like that I could put on 25lbs in 3-4 months. Plus, something I have learned over the years is that you need to taper hormones up then back down. The reason is not for your safety, but because I've noticed more consistent gains as I tapered up and I've noticed better results in keeping those gains by tapering down gradually as well. Easier on the mind and body if you ask me.
 
So IGF -1 is better than the lr3 because it actually makes the muscle bigger not just act as a nutrient absorbent?

I've only really seen people do lr3 and the des version. I've never heard of somebody taking IGF 1. I clearly have to research
 
I'm under the impression that IGF lr3 is superior because its longer acting and more stable and wouldn't raise and drop ur blood sugar. People use it on keto and before going to bed.
 
GLHF said:
I'm under the impression that IGF lr3 is superior because its longer acting and more stable and wouldn't raise and drop ur blood sugar. People use it on keto and before going to bed.
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It has a 3-4 hours half-life. You should research what PA has commented on this hormone. It isn't the same as IGF-1. You are right in that it remains in the blood for a longer period of time, but it also doesn't act locally either like IGF/MGF does.

Other sites will tell you that it has a half-life in days, but for whatever reason PA is convinced it has a 3-4 hr half-life instead.

Either way, there is ONE THING that I know is true from my own experience - the stuff doesn't cause muscle proliferation on the spot like some want to think. It just doesn't. Good ole fashioned IGF-1 human pharma grade does this, and in much, much smaller doses.

LR3 does however have good nutrient partitioning effects which is what you really need anyways for good muscle growth. Nutrient partitioning is probably 50% of the reason why steroids are so effective at creating muscle and burning fat. So it's a very positive effect.
 
I can't find any IGF-1 especially pharma grade. It seems the only IGF form out is lr3 and des.
 
fueledpassion said:
I'd just run GH if you are already planning on it. GH will raise your IGF-1 levels so long as your liver is working correctly.
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lol dont scare me man, my liver should be working fine.

random thought- does the IGF elavation (im sure it would dramatic) from HGH cause liver stress? especially if i plan on taking an oral at some point with the HGH? or am i not reasoning correctly.


and OP, sorry bro ive been hijacking ur thread. i just hope its good info for anyone interested in HGH.
 
GLHF said:
lol dont scare me man, my liver should be working fine.

random thought- does the IGF elavation (im sure it would dramatic) from HGH cause liver stress? especially if i plan on taking an oral at some point with the HGH? or am i not reasoning correctly.


and OP, sorry bro ive been hijacking ur thread. i just hope its good info for anyone interested in HGH.
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I don't know the answer to that question. What I do know is that GHRP's have the opposite effect on the liver - an anti-inflammatory effect. So based on that I would choose not to be concerned with the possibility of stressing the liver out with GH.

I also know that systemic IGF-1 is not so good if you have tumors. It's also known to cause GH gut or perma-gut. IGF-1 likes to bind to things other than muscle cells as well which can cause some problems, however minor or major they may be. Because of this, I think GHRP's are a safer method, since they don't cause systemic GH levels. They simply trigger the same process that already occurs in the body allowing it to "pulse" the hormone in a very natural way.

Seriously, let's give this thread back to the OP now. At least we did stay on topic, lol.
 
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