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1-t or havoc?

crowpass

crowpass

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which substance would be less likely to casue shutdown? Ive researched havoc and have been sitting on a bottle for about 8 months now.... But 1-t seems very interesting to me, and from what i have been reading, it requires a mild pct (such as no serm). would a 4-6 cycle of 1-t (4-5 pumps a day) have more sides than a 4 week cycle of epi at 20 mg everyday?
 
i highly suggest a makeover of ur diet. are ur stats listed current? not a knock, but if u cant grow naturally with food alone at ur height/weight then steroids will NOT help
 
lol, come on now. they are current. im train here ate lutter jiu-jitsu in fort worth man and im not really looking for the bodybuilding physic. i am solely interested in the opinions and knowledge of users. like i stated above, i have been sitting on a bottle of havoc for a little over 8 months, if i was so eager to use i would have given it a shot by now. i train for strength not size. and ya i probably do need a diet makeover. but as for my question i would appreciate an answer. thanks for your concerns.
 
I would go with the 1-T its not going to be taxing on the liver And you will definetly gain strength. And with a amped up diet you will put on LBM
 
hay man I did a comp at the lutter jiu-jitsu in FW back in june it was cool there I like it ...lol I was in the 140/149lb class
 
crowpass said:
lol, come on now. they are current. im train here ate lutter jiu-jitsu in fort worth man and im not really looking for the bodybuilding physic. i am solely interested in the opinions and knowledge of users. like i stated above, i have been sitting on a bottle of havoc for a little over 8 months, if i was so eager to use i would have given it a shot by now. i train for strength not size. and ya i probably do need a diet makeover. but as for my question i would appreciate an answer. thanks for your concerns.
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yeah...i guess some of us guys like me and nos just dont understand people who dont want to be hyooge....on the other hand you have to realize that whatever you use is going to cause shutdown...dont be scared of it...thats what pct is for...but id be a little leary of all these threads saying that you dont need a serm for 1-t...remember a year ago when havoc was still kinda new and everyone said otc pct was fine because its not suppressive....now everyone says get a serm! for your purposes either of these products would be okay...but id still run a serm for pct
 
i did havoc with otc pct then test booster and good support supps. had no issues maintained 90% of gains. gained bout 10 pounds went up in bench like 20 pounds for reps not bad for 4 little weeks good recomp on the body too. i liked havoc, plan on doing it again bridged with something else maybe something a little wet , then bring on havoc
 
damn, no serm eh? didnt that **** with your mind knowing that you could be in a world of hurt later on down tha line?
 
I'm planning on starting jiu-jitsu this year. Wat belt are u? I think havoc would be perfect for you, just use tamoxifin afterward works for me. I also like a herbal test booster containg tribulus with it. I'm 24 and recovery is never a problem with me. Especially with havoc.
 
My friend used Havoc with OTC PCT and had trouble recovering and got gyno.

You should go overkill and do SERM unless you have done enough PCTs to know exactly what works for you..
 
UnrealMachine said:
My friend used Havoc with OTC PCT and had trouble recovering and got gyno.

You should go overkill and do SERM unless you have done enough PCTs to know exactly what works for you..
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Did he stack it with something else...maybe??? Havoc supposed to reduce gyno!!!
 
luclyluciano said:
Did he stack it with something else...maybe??? Havoc supposed to reduce gyno!!!
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No. Lots of people get gyno from havoc/epi and the clones. Lots of people get rebound gyno from other orals. Gyno is complicated and can be unpredictable, especially with these orals we know little about.

Lesson learned: inject.
 
agreed unreal.
most of these people that get gyno from non-aromatizing compounds do so off the rebound or via progesterone mediated pathways. and then they start milkin themselves...
epitio may have originally been used as an anti-aromatase at low doses in japan, but keep in mind this isn't the same exact compound.
if you aint doing injects and know you're gyno prone, be sure to have your bases covered... serm, caber, ai... better safe than sorry.
 
bb4life said:
Crowpass, do you compete? and where if so?
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nah man i dont compete. theres no money in it if your not in the big time. but i roll at lutter and moller. they are both in the metroplex. I wrestled in high school and this is just a great way to be in shape and know how to kick some serious ass, lol. but nah man i dont compete.
 
dezzy84 said:
I'm planning on starting jiu-jitsu this year. Wat belt are u? I think havoc would be perfect for you, just use tamoxifin afterward works for me. I also like a herbal test booster containg tribulus with it. I'm 24 and recovery is never a problem with me. Especially with havoc.
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man jiu- jitsu is bad ass. I have expieremented with tae-kwon-do and karate, but jiu-jitsu is better by far. learn how to them hands and legs and your pretty lethal ya know. congrats man and dont forget to tap. i never risk having an injury, especially in class.
 
ok, i am very lean and do not have a soft, fatty tissue covering my pecs. I have always been lean ya know, and im kinda wondering how i would be able tell if i was prone to gyno when i have no cycles under my belt. anybody got any info?
 
no way to really tell... just gotta deal with it as it arises. just be prepared for it and hopefully you won't have a problem.
 
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