Good advice from WW7. I use 4ad in the same manner and adjust dose according to body response while on a cycle. For example if you have 100mg caps of 1,4....you could start with 1 cap 3X day and work your way up to 2 caps 3X day. The thing to remember is we are all different and resond differently to PH's, so what works for me may not work for you. So start with a low dose and go up from there. If appetite seems to go way up lower the dosea nd adjust diet from there. Hope that helps.