Neoborn's Formestane / EForm FAQ...

DR.D said:
Oh man, it might! I worked on a project one time involving an emu oil skin product and I was just so sick of the smell by the time it was over, I never would have reminded myself had you not mentioned it, but yes it would likely be an excellent choice. I have always liked the effect of adding 10% oleic acid to my formulas anyway, and that's likely the advantage in emu oil. OA seems to improve miscibility of other solvents and improves saturation of free alcohols (like 4-OH-AD) and diols for sure.
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Good info, thx..Emu will be added to E-form:thumbsup: I ll let you guys know.
 
DR.D said:
Interesting. Doesn't that contain phenol?
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dont have any right now so not sure of ingredients, it did seem to work well. bought 3 gms of ycl without realizing how potent it was. had all this ycl so started experimenting. it sounds crazy but it actually worked. added 2 1/2 grams to half bottle, melted ab fat pretty damn good.
 
thebigt said:
dont have any right now so not sure of ingredients, it did seem to work well. bought 3 gms of ycl without realizing how potent it was. had all this ycl so started experimenting. it sounds crazy but it actually worked. added 2 1/2 grams to half bottle, melted ab fat pretty damn good.
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T I love how you experiement for the benefit of us all.:twisted: :D
 
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Interesting Idea to use this as a transdermal carrier for YoHcl, thebigt, how did you think of that? Does anyone know what ingredient(s) aides in TD product delivery
 
Ahhh, it's the thymol I smell in my mind from that! It's got a bunch of great solvents in it, plus absinthium oil as the main ingredient?! Niiiice. :D
 
sorry...I should have phrased that more specifically. I know epi has been very effective in helping reduce gyno, but is
10mg enough to produce these kind of results while being low enough to avoid shutdown? Would 10mg/day for 4 weeks along with form require pct? Thanks guys
 
WeaponX said:
sorry...I should have phrased that more specifically. I know epi has been very effective in helping reduce gyno, but is
10mg enough to produce these kind of results while being low enough to avoid shutdown? Would 10mg/day for 4 weeks along with form require post cycle therapy? Thanks guys
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You could get away with it as both are not overly suppressive especially at that dose. For me, at the very least I would throw in a low dosed SERM for PCT.
 
prld2gr8ns said:
You could get away with it as both are not overly suppressive especially at that dose. For me, at the very least I would throw in a low dosed SERM for post cycle therapy.
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In which case, why not just run an epi cycle with form used on cycle, bridging On/post cycle, or in post cycle with torem or ralox? WeaponX, you're already 1/2 way there so why not go for it? :think:

Just a side note, Torem is visibly reducing some chest fat that I've had for YEARS! I know all the talk has been of ralox lately but Torem is working for this "mild" image issue.
 
Your right Celc, theres no point in going halfway. s*** or get off the pot, right? I'm going to do the formestane and see how well it works for me then maybe do an epi run w/ nolva in the fall...can't seem to track down torem.
 
Hi guys new here :woohoo: I have mostly been over at IBE but when I saw that Neoborn, Dr.D and others from IBE hangs out here it must be good :)

Reading alot now abot Form and Transmedal delivery and other options to Penetrate is this one, (they also carry out other nice stuff) ;)

universalkits.com/16oz-finaderm-transdermal-carrier-prd-256.html
 
Well I don't want to be first ;) so I'll stick to something that the most have used, so I will order some Penetrate :)
 
I did 3 apps of my formestane before I had to stop (shoulder inj.) but never got that rush you talk about. I also noticed there were a few white flakey crystals where I applied the form.

Did I just not mix it well enough? Im asking because Im going to run this with my 3 week superdrol+IGF-1, week 4 of form beeing part of P.C.T.

I mixed ~5gr in a bottle of penetrate. Did reccomened things to mix.
 
I got the little crystals too. Are you having a nice hot / warm shower to open your pores and then applying to large muscle bodies?

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
neoborn said:
I got the little crystals too. Are you having a nice hot / warm shower to open your pores and then applying to large muscle bodies?

Much Love,

Neoborn
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No I dont beleive i did for the one and thats when the crystals came. I think I only had the cyrstals on my bi's and forarmes, my chest was ok i think.

I'll try this when applying again
 
take a shower before applying, stand in front of fan to dry off. i only get the rush when i use max doses-6 sprays 2xday. but you should definately feel it working even at lower doses, if not somethings wrong. if you still arent getting results prid has some links to a few thing that will help with mixing/absorption.
 
pepo72 said:
Well I don't want to be first ;) so I'll stick to something that the most have used, so I will order some Penetrate :)
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there are some real knowlegeable people on am, most of them are more than willing to help out. if you ever need advice on formestane neo,celc,prid and myself have been experimenting with this for awhile and will try to help. i think i speak for all of us that we are big fans of td formestane, good luck.:welcome:damn-how could i forget dr.d. sorry doc!
 
Something like BA or DMSO not only have a high boiling point (low volatility) and thus good residual solvent action on the skin, but also enhance transference, so adding a little to the Pen might help discourage the crystals, but you will take 30+ minutes to really "dry" off. Either that or lower the concentration to discourage the crystal formation.
 
Hey Biggie,

It's been a couple weeks now and thanks man. I have been wanting to talk to you for a while now but can't seem to PM you etc. Can you email me at neo underscore born at hotmail dot com?

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
neoborn said:
I hope you enjoy your stay here pepo, we are honored to have you here :)

Much Love,

Neoborn
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thebigt said:
there are some real knowlegeable people on am, most of them are more than willing to help out. if you ever need advice on formestane neo,celc,prid and myself have been experimenting with this for awhile and will try to help. i think i speak for all of us that we are big fans of td formestane, good luck.damn-how could i forget dr.d. sorry doc!
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Thanks guys :cheers:
 
Distilled Water said:
No I dont beleive i did for the one and thats when the crystals came. I think I only had the cyrstals on my bi's and forarmes, my chest was ok i think.

I'll try this when applying again
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Do that and make sure you heat the penetrate fairly well before mixing in the powder. With 5gr it should dissolve nicely.
 
So I picked up 5grams of form ,and my penatrate- heated and mixed, adding a little powder at a time..
Let cool while shaking, and then heated again for good measure.
I have used 2 pumps as a dose, so a total of 4 pumps daily.

What I would like to know is, for those who have used this OFF cycle, what were your results? and at what dose (and amount of time using)
 
xtraflossy said:
So I picked up 5grams of form ,and my penatrate- heated and mixed, adding a little powder at a time..
Let cool while shaking, and then heated again for good measure.
I have used 2 pumps as a dose, so a total of 4 pumps daily.

What I would like to know is, for those who have used this OFF cycle, what were your results? and at what dose (and amount of time using)
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That's how I usually run formestane... off cycle with staples. I've successfully cut and successfully bulked using it with creatine or typical burners.

During the cut, strength went UP and I lost about somewhere around 5 pounds in 3 or 4 weeks. During the bulk, I broke most of my PR's on form but that was before I ever ran any cycles. I'd guess I put on about 5 pounds in that 3 or 4 week run as well.

At this point, I would run form at somewhere between 2 and 6 sprays twice per day and push it for around 6 weeks. I'd ramp up to assess tolerance because I do get palpitations on occassion from form and simply back off on the dosage. Hawthorne Berry helped SIGNIFICANTLY to fend off palpitations when I stacked form with halo and allowed me to reach a peak dosage of 160mg TD/day.

Dr. D made some really good points about dosage varying depending on which TD carrier you use. If you feel it's necessary, feel free to chime in doc :cheers:
 
THANKS for the input.
I'm using the penetrate I got from NP.
I do not seem to be getting any negative side effects at 2 pumps a day.

However, I am only on day 2. I know there is a long halflife with this, so I am also assuming that it will take a few days to build up in my system, before I really feel any effects..
Is that a correct assumption?

Right now, I can't really say I notice much, if anything.
 
xtraflossy said:
THANKS for the input.
I'm using the penetrate I got from NP.
I do not seem to be getting any negative side effects at 2 pumps a day.

However, I am only on day 2. I know there is a long halflife with this, so I am also assuming that it will take a few days to build up in my system, before I really feel any effects..
Is that a correct assumption?

Right now, I can't really say I notice much, if anything.
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IF YOU PUT 5GMS in penetrate and are only using two sprays, that in a minimum dose, it will take longer to see or 'feel' results. like celc says slowly ramp up to a dose you feel comfortable with.:cheers:
 
thebigt said:
IF YOU PUT 5GMS in penetrate and are only using two sprays, that in a minimum dose, it will take longer to see or 'feel' results. like celc says slowly ramp up to a dose you feel comfortable with.:cheers:
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Yeah, I had planned on going up some.
I am curious as to what the point of diminishing returns might be.
 
xtraflossy said:
THANKS for the input.
I'm using the penetrate I got from NP.
I do not seem to be getting any negative side effects at 2 pumps a day.

However, I am only on day 2. I know there is a long halflife with this, so I am also assuming that it will take a few days to build up in my system, before I really feel any effects..
Is that a correct assumption?

Right now, I can't really say I notice much, if anything.
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I agree with T. Go ahead and try 2 pumps twice per day and see how that goes for 2 or 3 days. Then bump again in simiilar fashion... etc etc. I "feel" effects rather quickly even on low doses around day 2 or 3. However, I believe the consensus is that it takes others a few more days than that though maybe around day 5 or 6 :think: T?
 
celc5 said:
I agree with T. Go ahead and try 2 pumps twice per day and see how that goes for 2 or 3 days. Then bump again in simiilar fashion... etc etc. I "feel" effects rather quickly even on low doses around day 2 or 3. However, I believe the consensus is that it takes others a few more days than that though maybe around day 5 or 6 :think: T?
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Great :thumbsup:
I thought it might take a little time-
I didnt want to get hastey ya know.

Anyone else have any results from using OFF cycle????
 
LOL I think I jumped right in with 2ml or more prolly more like 6ml :D ...some of us like the "on" feeling of palpitations :toofunny:

Remember this is a powerful ( as far as I know ) AI, so you should experience a nice boost in test if all is in working order. My libido went from feeling like I was dead below the waist to some sweeet raging bull type stuff :thumbsup:

Much Love,

Neoborn
 
neoborn said:
LOL I think I jumped right in with 2ml or more prolly more like 6ml :D ...some of us like the "on" feeling of palpitations :toofunny:

Remember this is a powerful ( as far as I know ) AI, so you should experience a nice boost in test if all is in working order. My libido went from feeling like I was dead below the waist to some sweeet raging bull type stuff :thumbsup:

Much Love,

Neoborn
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After my first administration, I felt some libido enhancement,.. but no really since that.
I make sure to shake well, before each application to be sure I am getting not only a uniform amount, but that I am not getting any "dudd" pumps.

I took 3 pumps this morning, 2 to my arms, and one to my upper thigh after showering.
I can not say really that this has made much difference, but will give it time of course.

lol- I remember seeing you describe your love for palpatations :rofl: .
I think those suck, but of course, I have much love for the ON feeling.. Hopefully, I will get there.

I HAVE SEEMED to notice ther emay be a slight leaning effect. This could also be in my head.
I am adding BAM to the mix here soon, as soon as I can get a feel for the effects of my new "lotion"..
 
What are these palpations you guys speak of? Like true tachycardia? I have to think it's a carrier component and not the 4-OH-AD.
 
DR.D said:
What are these palpations you guys speak of? Like true tachycardia? I have to think it's a carrier component and not the 4-OH-AD.
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Good point doc as I'm not sure if I TRUELY experience palpitations or tachycardia. My symptoms include very very mild sharp pain which I would guestimate to be in the region of my left ventricle. I can feel a bit of a "flutter" with mild chest "pounding." I can feel an increased heart rate but, unintelligently, I have never measured the exact increase.

This is most notable after the second application of the day, especially a few hours later when I'm trying to fall asleep. Symptoms also include generalized unprovoked anxiety. These symptoms usually occur for the first 24-48 hours after increasing dosages. Then it seems as if my body adjusts/acclimates to the form and the symptoms go away.

All of these symptoms were less evident during my last run of formestane and I believe the addition of Hawthorne Berry may have played a role in squelching the sides.
 
If it's anxiogenic, that could be many things. Maybe some mild ventricular arrhythmia in promotes or more likely some type of vasospasm, are there any other weird cardio effects like cold extremities, flushing, etc? Could also be forming something that acts as a GABA substrate/antagonist, like the 3b-OH metabolite, since it's more evident later after the second application. It's odd that I have never noted this myself, but it seems like a fairly common side, at least transdermally.
 
DR.D said:
If it's anxiogenic, that could be many things. Maybe some mild ventricular arrhythmia in promotes or more likely some type of vasospasm, are there any other weird cardio effects like cold extremities, flushing, etc? Could also be forming something that acts as a GABA substrate/antagonist, like the 3b-OH metabolite, since it's more evident later after the second application. It's odd that I have never noted this myself, but it seems like a fairly common side, at least transdermally.
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to me its a pleasurable experience. i like.
 
T, I also enjoy the Form rush but this is a seperate experience from the rush itself.

Doc, no cold extremities. No flushing. I'm not positive, but I would say the mild anxiety comes along AFTER the palpitations begin FWIW.

Interestingly though, I remember logging feelings of brief intense anxiety after dosing bulk GABA last summer, but defiantely no palpitations. Maybe you are on to something with your train of thought? :think:

Also, I believe I may be making this out to be much more dramatic than it is in all honesty. These symptoms are very mild and pass quickly.
 
DR.D said:
If it's anxiogenic, that could be many things. Maybe some mild ventricular arrhythmia in promotes or more likely some type of vasospasm, are there any other weird cardio effects like cold extremities, flushing, etc? Could also be forming something that acts as a GABA substrate/antagonist, like the 3b-OH metabolite, since it's more evident later after the second application. It's odd that I have never noted this myself, but it seems like a fairly common side, at least transdermally.
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I must admit I read some of those terms and was like "wtf does that mean?" :toofunny:

"it mayka my hearta go baboom baboomba!"

:drunk: Neoborn:run:
 
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alright just to let you guys know i'm preparin for a sweet epi-pulse cycle w/ e-form.. i'll make sure to let everyone know how it goes since that seems to be a topic of interest 'round this joint..

also like to point out that jack lambert is the greatest middle linebacker of all time.. :cheers:
 
I'm running formestane right now with SD pulsed, 1AD at 400mg daily, and 1.5 g's of bulk 1,4 daily. I love the formestane.
I don't know how people are having palps with this, as I actually have WPW (wolf-parkinsons white) and have no problems at all with it. in case you didn't know WPW is a condition that causes SVT.
 
Red Dog said:
alright just to let you guys know i'm preparin for a sweet epi-pulse cycle w/ e-form.. i'll make sure to let everyone know how it goes since that seems to be a topic of interest 'round this joint..

also like to point out that jack lambert is the greatest middle linebacker of all time.. :cheers:
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Ditto with the cycle. Should start next week if my supps arrive on time.
 
nice man how are you dosing the e-form? everyday or on off days in the morning and at night? should turn out pretty solid good luck man.. :dance:

thats me at the end of this one.
 
dunk826 said:
I'm running formestane right now with superdrol pulsed, 1AD at 400mg daily, and 1.5 g's of bulk 1,4 daily. I love the formestane.
I don't know how people are having palps with this, as I actually have WPW (wolf-parkinsons white) and have no problems at all with it. in case you didn't know WPW is a condition that causes SVT.
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Me too dunk. WPW with PVE (pre-ventricular excitation). Maybe that's why we're immune to the palps. ;)
 
Red Dog said:
nice man how are you dosing the e-form? everyday or on off days in the morning and at night? should turn out pretty solid good luck man.. :dance:

thats me at the end of this one.
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I'll run the Epi EOD at 40mg/day MWF.
Off days will be EForm at 4 squirts a day ~80mg/day (2 morn/2 night) (I might bump this up to 8 squirts a day)

I also have Warfare and Rebound XT to pull me through post cycle; however, I'm beginning to doubt this will be necessary due to the nature of pulsing in conjunction with forma. At this point time I figure it can't hurt, though it might be flushing money down the crapper and could be put to better use at a later date.

And of course all the typical ancillaries (BCAAs, fish oil, etc., etc.)

If anyone has comments, please feel free to chime in. Constructive criticism or pats on the back are always welcome.
 
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