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jas123

jas123

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Man I feel dumb. I don't know why I never thought of Couture winning the fight in the clinch like that. Randy's the man and if Nog is his next fight I'll pick Randy to win. He also took 2 headkicks. Tough SOB and great slam.

GSP looked pretty good. It went the way that I thought it would go except Kos' defense off his back was better than expected.

I was pretty impressed with Huerta. He kept flirting with danger by staying in Crane's guard when he could have stood up, but he displayed some great ground skills. I was rolling when he was using the moniter to find Crane. Awesome fight.

Leites' armbar was slick as hell. I thought Jensen looked pretty good up until then. It will be interesting to see where Thales goes from here.

I was surprised Grove got pounded out so easily. The punch that dropped him didn't seem that hard.

Joe really turned it up in the 3rd after about 2 min. He's rising to the top.
 
I haven't seen the Leites fight or the Stevenson fight yet, but the rest was pretty good. I hate it when the fans boo at the wrong times though...why boo (albeit briefly) during the Huerta fight? I thought it was very entertaining. The booers redeemed themselves later though by booing KOS :)

That HK that Randy took made me flinch. I was amazed that it didn't put him down.
 
Wow Capt America is really Superman
I haven't picked Randy in either of his hw fights but he has definitely proved himself. The guy is amazing at 44 years old just getting better.
 
bleh, it was a decent night of fights, though i cant help to think how Gonzaga would have performed had his nose not been broken by the accidental headbutt or whatever hit it during that slam.

i dont know, i hate when fights end like that, alot of those punches that randy was throwing were hitting Gonzaga in the hands, commonly referred to as "blocking", its how Chuck Liddel wins alot of his fights, throw punches till the ref stops you whether or not 95% of them arent doing any damage.

Herb Dean is a terrible ref, how he has a career anymore is beyond me.

Randy did what he had to do, and now that i think about it i dont see that fight going any differently broken nose or not, i just wish the win was more decisive (either KO or submission) instead of a ref stoppage, or he could have let it go a bit longer, not everyone will agree with me but he stepped in a bit prematurely.

and i know youre supposed to defend yourself on the ground, but he was getting hit in the hands mostly.

the GSP fight went better than i thought it would have, i didnt expect him to throw Koscheck around so easily, taking him down and keeping him there, and defending takedowns.

I dont think GSP should get a shot at the title so soon yet, i mean he beat matt hughes for it but matt hasnt had a shot at it yet, id like to see GSP and him fight again, but since its going to be matt hughes vs matt serra in december, maybe GSP should just fight the winner of that.
 
I thought it was a pretty good night. I would probably give it a 7 out of 10. Couture did a great job and I love the guy, but I really want Fedor to come to the UFC, he'll make Randy look his age. Oh, and what was up with Gonzaga trying to call a timeout? Gonzaga is a dangerous dude, but that was definitely a sign of mental weakness.

GSP looked damn good, and probably would've finished the fight had there been another round.

Huerta looked better than ever IMO, and I will take him more seriously from now on.

Jensen did look pretty good until the sub. Definitely had the man on a mission thing going. I'd like to see him again soon.

Anyways it was pretty good, this next month is gonna be the sh*t. 75 should be good, but I can't wait for 76, that's gonna be an awesome night.
 
report has it that Big Nog gets next shot at Randy. That would be interesting
 
Minus83 said:
bleh, it was a decent night of fights, though i cant help to think how Gonzaga would have performed had his nose not been broken by the accidental headbutt or whatever hit it during that slam.

i dont know, i hate when fights end like that, alot of those punches that randy was throwing were hitting Gonzaga in the hands, commonly referred to as "blocking", its how Chuck Liddel wins alot of his fights, throw punches till the ref stops you whether or not 95% of them arent doing any damage.

Herb Dean is a terrible ref, how he has a career anymore is beyond me.

Randy did what he had to do, and now that i think about it i dont see that fight going any differently broken nose or not, i just wish the win was more decisive (either KO or submission) instead of a ref stoppage, or he could have let it go a bit longer, not everyone will agree with me but he stepped in a bit prematurely.

and i know youre supposed to defend yourself on the ground, but he was getting hit in the hands mostly.

the GSP fight went better than i thought it would have, i didnt expect him to throw Koscheck around so easily, taking him down and keeping him there, and defending takedowns.

I dont think GSP should get a shot at the title so soon yet, i mean he beat matt hughes for it but matt hasnt had a shot at it yet, id like to see GSP and him fight again, but since its going to be matt hughes vs matt serra in december, maybe GSP should just fight the winner of that.
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The cut/nose was disappointing but at least it was the result of that monster slam. These things happen. Franklin broke his in 2nd round against the Crow and fought for 3 more. You have to fight through it, and Randy-Vitor 2 was the worst call ever in terms of a fight that should have been called a no contest.

It actually appears that Gonzaga's own knee hit him in the nose although Randy's comment seemed to imply that he did it.

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I agree that Hughes should get the next shot and of course it's already official that is getting it. He defended the belt a couple of times and lost less recently than GSP who never defended it. It sets up a nice rematch between Georges and Matt as well. Maybe if Fitch wins, then have GSP fight him in the meantime.

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Edit: Stevenson broke his jaw in his fight too.
 
The current Sherdog poll of who would win between Fedor and Couture has Couture winning at 76%! That's sad, Randy has a 20% chance of winning that fight at best.
 
Alexander said:
The current Sherdog poll of who would win between Fedor and Couture has Couture winning at 76%! That's sad, Randy has a 20% chance of winning that fight at best.
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That's because Sherdoggers are a bunch of morons who don't know what the hell they are talking about.
 
Alexander said:
The current Sherdog poll of who would win between Fedor and Couture has Couture winning at 76%! That's sad, Randy has a 20% chance of winning that fight at best.
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I saw that. It's ridiculous how everyone only remembers the most recent events. However, since rope/cage grabbing isn't allowed in the UFC, Fedor would probably get owned :shoot: :twisted:

No, but I would really like to see that fight as it would be a chess match of two of the smartest fighters ever.

I'm starting to think that UFC 155ers might be more talented than the former Pride 160ers. Who knows? I haven't seen the Guida-Aurelio fight yet. If anyone's seen the Mir-Hard, Babalu or Clay fights let us know your impressions. Also, if someone finds a gif of one of the high kicks that caught Randy, please post them.
 
First, Babalu needs a fine and suspension. Honestly, its business and the personal stuff should be kept out of it.

Randy v. Fedor? I respect Randy as much as anyone, but lets not get crazy. Fedor in a cage with elbows is scary. However, he needs to get off his butt and sign on the dotted line
 
jas123 said:
I saw that. It's ridiculous how everyone only remembers the most recent events. However, since rope/cage grabbing isn't allowed in the UFC, Fedor would probably get owned :shoot: :twisted:

No, but I would really like to see that fight as it would be a chess match of two of the smartest fighters ever.

I'm starting to think that UFC 155ers might be more talented than the former Pride 160ers. Who knows? I haven't seen the Guida-Aurelio fight yet. If anyone's seen the Mir-Hard, Babalu or Clay fights let us know your impressions. Also, if someone finds a gif of one of the high kicks that caught Randy, please post them.
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A chess match where Randy is missing a few pawns, a king, and maybe a rook. Randy is the sh*t, but barring a freak cut or something, he would get mauled by Fedya, not that you would disagree of course.

I think you may be right about the UFC 155ers being more talented that the Pride 160ers. The only Pride guys I see doing well would be Aoki, and Gomi if he were to be in really good shape. Oh, I forgot about Melendez, he is a lot like some of these talented UFC LW's, good wrestler with a furious pace. Pride guys overall would just get out hustled.

I forgot about Sakurai and a few others.
 
Reaper329 said:
First, Babalu needs a fine and suspension. Honestly, its business and the personal stuff should be kept out of it.

Randy v. Fedor? I respect Randy as much as anyone, but lets not get crazy. Fedor in a cage with elbows is scary. However, he needs to get off his butt and sign on the dotted line
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It's not crazy. Randy's the champ and should fight the best challenger, ie Fedor. I agree with Alex that he has less than a 30% chance of winning, but I'm really curious about his game plan and about Fedor's.

Alex, it will be interesting to see how the UFC fans respond to Aoki's pants.

MMAnews article implies Nog is next for Randy and Randy is starring in the Scorpian king prequel :aargh: (don't do it ....):



While not confirmed, UFC officials after the fight were talking about another Brazilian, Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, the former Pride heavyeight champion, as Couture's next opponent.

But before that, Couture's next venture will be altogether different, as he will have a lead role in a prequel to the movie The Scorpion King in October.

Regarding his outside commitments affecting his fighting schedule, Couture said, "It doesn't really work what way. The businesses I have aren't gong anywhere. When I get the call to fight this guy on this date, I clear the calendar and go about training and peaking for the fight."

Couture, who rarely asks for a specific opponent, wants a match with Fedor Emelianenko, generally considered the world's best heavyweight. Negotiations between Dana White and Emelianenko's representatives have gone hot and cold over the past two months, but they have another meeting scheduled for the next week.
 
WOW! at 44 years old, and still kicking ass. That is amazing.
As far as the broken nose. Hey that's part of MMA

I want to see Randy fight Fedor.
I don't think Randy will win, but I do think Randy will do everything he can to win.
 
What's even more impressive is that Randy (what I've heard) had his arm broken by one of Gonzaga's high kicks...
 
EESCHMan said:
What's even more impressive is that Randy (what I've heard) had his arm broken by one of Gonzaga's high kicks...
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Damn looks legit. I thought I saw him wince and slightly shake arm after blocking a kick. As if I needed another reason to like Couture.... From the Fight Network,


COUTURE BREAKS ARM

Even Superman feels it from time to time.

Following yet another feather-in-his-cap performance Saturday at UFC 74 in Las Vegas, real life superhero Randy Couture (16-8), was informed Sunday by doctors that he’d broken his arm during his third round TKO stoppage of Gabriel Gonzaga (8-2).

Couture, 44, sustained the injury Saturday blocking a Gonzaga right high kick with his left forearm, cleanly separating the ulna bone with a “nightstick fracture,” a break common in law enforcement circles. The injury placed the UFC heavyweight champion’s arm in a splint for six weeks. The appendage will not need a cast.

“It’s not displaced, so the doctors think it will reattach in about a week and a half,” said Couture, who embarks on a South African adventure to shoot a leading role in major motion picture “The Scorpion King – The Akkadian” in nearly six weeks. It is believed the injury will not effect Couture’s shooting schedule.

To watch Couture's reaction of his bout and for a re-cap of all the fights, check out The Fight Network's original series "After The Bell" in the homepage's video player.

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The following are the fight purses to participants on the UFC 74 "Respect" PPV card.

-Randy Couture ($250,000) def. Gabriel Gonzaga ($45,000)
-Georges St. Pierre ($140,000) def. Josh Koscheck ($10,000)
-Roger Huerta ($34,000) def. Alberto Crane ($4,000)
-Joe Stevenson ($32,000) def. Kurt Pellegrino ($8,000)
-Patrick Cote ($24,000) def. Kendall Grove ($12,000)
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral ($50,000) def. David Heath ($6,000)
-Frank Mir ($72,000) def. Antoni Hardonk ($8,000)
-Thales Leites ($18,000) def. Ryan Jensen ($4,000)
-Clay Guida ($14,000) def. Marcus Aurelio ($30,000)


Huerta makes more than Sherk.
 
Rodja said:
That's because Sherdoggers are a bunch of morons who don't know what the hell they are talking about.
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Thats true about Sherdoggers, but I think people are also anti-Fedor because he isnt really fighting anyone. A guy 2 weight classes below you (even if he is one of the best) isnt good enough for the best HW in the world. I hope Randy gets a chance to fight Fedor as champ before he retires.
 
Here's a new angle on the slam. It was definitely Gonzaga's knee that caused the cut/break.

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A couple of other observations upon viewing the Couture fight again. In the first minute of the second round there was some wild flurries and Randy looked a lot like Wandy with the hooks and way he ducked his head. Looks like he picked up something from training with him. Second, Gonzaga really has an amazing HK. I think he's going to be a force to be reckon with in the future.

Babalu is an idiot. He puts on a great preformance and then ruins it with that BS after he's won. Ok so Heath talked crap to you. It wasn't enough that you spilled half of his blood on the mat?
 
yeah, the bablu fight had a disappointing end in terms of sportsmanship, i was really looking forward to it too because when they had the first fight of the night the mat was already stained with blood, and it was blood in just one area so you know someone was bleeding like a stuck pig.
 
have you guys gotten the chance to see the UFC 75 website? Its sweet. They give you 3 options UFC 75/UFC 76/or the LHW division. They have all the challengers and you can watch their highlights, from Silva, Shogun, Henderson etc...
 
I think the refs should be able to jump in and whoop some a$$ if fighters (babalu) dont listen. what an F'n bytch. that kinda stuff makes ME want to fight him.

i thought the randy fight was stopped a little prematurely because of the glove tapping couture was doing, but when i watched it again i could hear herb dean telling gonzaga to do something or he was going to stop it. he told him repeatedly so i guess it was legit. plus i think gonzaga was on the verge of bleeding to death.
 
sf9ersfan8 said:
I think the refs should be able to jump in and whoop some a$$ if fighters (babalu) dont listen. what an F'n bytch. that kinda stuff makes ME want to fight him.

i thought the randy fight was stopped a little prematurely because of the glove tapping couture was doing, but when i watched it again i could hear herb dean telling gonzaga to do something or he was going to stop it. he told him repeatedly so i guess it was legit. plus i think gonzaga was on the verge of bleeding to death.
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If you turtle up and do not improve your position, then the ref should stop it. The stoppage was a very good one.
 
i agree, he was done for, especially after the broken nose. punchers chance was about it. i agree with the stoppage to.o
 
GSP outwrestled Kos. What can you say about that?? GSP has got some crazy, crazy talent.

Couture, wow. I didn't think he'd win that fight but once again, he comes through. He's pretty unbelievable.

Huerta looks solid, but he needs to fight someone high ranking before we know if he's for real or not.

And regarding the Pride 160 lbers vs. the UFC 155ers, I've said that the UFC's talent is quite a bit better than Pride's for a long time now. I think it's pretty apparent.
 
Sir Savage said:
And regarding the Pride 160 lbers vs. the UFC 155ers, I've said that the UFC's talent is quite a bit better than Pride's for a long time now. I think it's pretty apparent.
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That you have, Savage. I don't think the Pride 160ers had anywhere near wrestling talent that the UFC 155ers have.
 
Sir Savage said:
GSP outwrestled Kos. What can you say about that?? GSP has got some crazy, crazy talent.

Couture, wow. I didn't think he'd win that fight but once again, he comes through. He's pretty unbelievable.

Huerta looks solid, but he needs to fight someone high ranking before we know if he's for real or not.

And regarding the Pride 160 lbers vs. the UFC 155ers, I've said that the UFC's talent is quite a bit better than Pride's for a long time now. I think it's pretty apparent.
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Most of PRIDE's top LW's aren't in the UFC. I would love to see Aoki, Gomi, Kawajiri, and Hansen in the cage. I know that the Japanese fighters will probably stay in Japan, but, hopefully, Hansen and Melendez will come.
 
I finally saw 74 last night, and despite coming close, I'm proud to say I did not peek.

Overall, I thought it was a good night. Huge win for Cote. Grove has come a long way as a fighter, so I think this is a good win. Training at Sityodtong is obviously making a big difference for him. That connection with Dellagrotte is probably the most important thing that came from TUF 4 for him.

Pellegrino vs. Stevenson was great. I love all the transitions in the lw fights. I thought it was pretty damn close, and could have gone either way until Pellegrino gassed with 2 or 3 minutes left in the 3rd. Stevenson ended up with a broken nose. I'm dying to see Huerta, Guida, Griffin or maybe Tavares fight someone like Stevenson, so we can get a better sense of how the top 10 looks.

Huerta was very impressive. He pushed the pace non-stop, even when he clearly had the victory sealed. In the process, he put himself in tons of danger and survived. I'd like to see more from Crane. He was tying Huerta in knots every time he got his hands on him. Huerta really needs to stop fighting UFC virgins so we can see how he matches up. Apparently he is being protected for the UFC debut in Mexico.

GSP looked great against Kos, though he was just a bit too conservative. Is holding your own shorts legal? That was the only way Kos prevented that Kimura. It was nice to see Kos get pretty much dominated, though he does deserve credit for being very active with elbows from the bottom. I thought his striking was improving, but he really just has a left jab into a very weak overhand right. He actually hit GSP with the overhand once, and it had effect. For such a great athlete, I'd expect Kos to throw more than a loopy arm punch at this point.

Randy was clearly amazing, and his hands have become really impressive. I think he is the greatest fighter he has ever been. He really is amazing. However, I do think we should see a rematch. Until the broken nose, this fight was super competitive. I think Gonzaga would have gladly gone to his back, but the blood from the broken nose would be dripping down his throat so badly that he would probably start vomiting. W/O the nose injury, GG could have pulled guard when caught in the clinch game, and then worked off his back or swept.

I make a big deal about the nose b/c I think it was an accident, and prevented us from seeing who is the better fighter. Nobody thought Vitor was better than Randy b/c of that freak cut in their 2nd fight. I know there is a conspiracy theory that GG did it to himself, but I don't buy it. It looks like Randy's head comes down on GG's "big nose", and then slides down the side of his face. That slam was awesome, but GG's leg was fairly extended at the knee, and the cut was even somewhat to the inside of the nose toward the eye. I do not think the knee could have done that, especially with his legs just flailing above him. I kneed myself in the face jumping off a large cliff on skis, but that was my entire bodyweight thrusting my knees upward. GG's legs were just floating above him.

I want to see the rematch.
 
Beowulf said:
I finally saw 74 last night, and despite coming close, I'm proud to say I did not peek.

Overall, I thought it was a good night. Huge win for Cote. Grove has come a long way as a fighter, so I think this is a good win. Training at Sityodtong is obviously making a big difference for him. That connection with Dellagrotte is probably the most important thing that came from TUF 4 for him.
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Yeah, when I walked through the door there, he was the first person I saw, sitting at the desk on the computer.
 
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