TripDogs official Boldenone / 1,4-ad thread

TripDog said:
dude that looks sick!!!..........any hcg,or are you just doin reg post cycle
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never had a source for hcg although i'd use it...on the other hand, ive ran several test enanthate cycles of 13-14 weeks and never had issues

post cycle will definitely be toremifene...used atd last time and wont use it again...and im not a fan of cortisol reducers or libido boosters (i use viagra during pct if i need it haha)
 
Tom 185 said:
i'm thinking...

1-4 Superdrol (20mg) or Pheraplex (30mg) or Epistane (50mg)
1-4 IGF-1 (40/40 3x/wk)
1-15 Test Enanthate (750mg-1000mg/wk)
1-14 1,4ad (1.5g/day - 500mg 3x/day)
1-15 T3 (25mcg-75mcg/day)
16-19 IGF-1 (40/40 3x/wk)
18-21 post cycle therapy

+albuterol if i ever find the optimal length to run it

better make a magazine cover after this one
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due to the half-life of the 1,4ad..i'll probably cut the test to week 13...then igf-1 to 14-17 and pct 16-19
 
Tom 185 said:
due to the half-life of the 1,4ad..i'll probably cut the test to week 13...then igf-1 to 14-17 and post cycle therapy 16-19
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Considering the fact that you are already pinning, is there a reason that you are choosing to do the 1,4AD instead of an esterfied boldenone?
 
thesinner said:
Well it's hard to find injectable boldenone that's not EQ. On top of that, you've gotta pin that on top of your test.

I'd rather swallow a pill than pin if given the choice.
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no source is the reason..less pinning is a bonus but i wouldnt mind that much if i had to
 
WheyGood said:
Hey guys, I have a question about the 1,4AD Powder at NP -- why is it being sold in a quantity of 1 gram? Why wouldn't it be sold as "bulk powder" in a quantity of let's say 50 or 100 grams?

I don't understand how 1 gram will be packaged -- in a "mini tub" the size of a marble? Me confused... :confused:
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this way we dont get a discount for buying more......:sad: .dsade said it was gonna be sold in 50g 100g amounts........but i guess that was just bs
 
TripDog said:
this way we dont get a discount for buying more......:sad: .dsade said it was gonna be sold in 50g 100g amounts........but i guess that was just bs
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I think demand for this was too high to waste anymore time. If they sold it in 50-100g amounts, that would (1) be more than some are willing to spend (2) take more time for packaging.

I've been learning A LOT about the business side of things from CROWLER. You seriously wouldn't believe all the different things taken into account when putting a supplement on the market.
 
WheyGood said:
I just scanned the last 8 pages or so of the thread in the NP forum. It seems most people are looking to cap this powder.

If you have the equipment to do so that's great, but I'm wondering why there isn't more talk of suspending the powder in something like olive oil ... or PEG or several other alternatives.
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this olive oil theroy has me wondering....how do you do it??
 
TripDog said:
this olive oil theroy has me wondering....how do you do it??
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unless i had a dream about it last night, i'm pretty sure sinner gave a quick crash course in suspending it in olive oil somewhere in this thread... let me go find it...
 
thesinner said:
They will either give you a mg/quarter tsp when you receive it, or you can just assume 1g/mL of powder. (if you're off, it won't be by a noticeable amount).

So for some sample calc's:

-Let's say you've got 50g of powder. We'll assume 1g/mL. So that's 50mL.

-We'll mix that with 100mL of olive oil.

50mL + 100mL = 150 mL

50g/150mL = 1/3g of 1,4AD per mL of suspension.


*Shake well, keep in the fridge, and shake well before measuring out each dosage.
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how-to
 
some one talked about the solution in another thread i belive it was B5150 and he mentioned 14AD doesnt go into solution very well and you wouldnt even ba able to get that much to go into solution....
 
PumpingIron said:
in other words, olive oil is a bad choice.
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no olive oil SUPSENSION is ok i guess... but using a solvent and trying to get it to go into SOLUTION is not so good a choice..... only thing with a supsension you have to shake it and make sure you get an even dose..

this was all said in the other thread pages back so you may want to refer back to it... but i thik they said you could get like 50mg/ml with a supension but only lie 20-30mg/ml with solution... anything more and it will get all chunky and thick.
 
isn't olive oil a pretty dense solution in itself? I figure it would be pretty hard to get that much poweder into it.
 
ya i dunno..... i gues casue its lipophilic it might absorb right into it.. i honestly dont know as i havnt ever made either.... this is all refering to what i read being posted by B in the other thread ill see if i can grab the posts...
 
could someone please post what this olive oil + powder would look like. how do you know if its properly mixed. i guess you can see it fully.

i dont see how this makes really accurate dosages someone got any pictures?
 
some one talked about the solution in another thread i belive it was B5150 and he mentioned 14AD doesnt go into solution very well and you wouldnt even ba able to get that much to go into solution....
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Solution and Suspension are like day and night fellas.

Suspension means it's just dangling around in the liquid, but not being absorbed.

I recommended that you stick it in the fridge because this will 'thicken' the olive oil, so the steroid will not settle as quickly.

isn't olive oil a pretty dense solution in itself? I figure it would be pretty hard to get that much poweder into it.
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The ability of a solvent to absorb solute is not related to density AT ALL. It is related to the intermolecular forces between the solute and solvent. The solvent molecules will actually close in on the solute molecule like a gang closing in for a 'beat down'.

Density of most oils is about 75%-80% that of water, so it's about 0.77g/mL
 
so heres a collection of B5150's posts, he currently HAS the powder and has for a while and been taking it.. he ahas the most recent exp with it and although im sure many others can apply there knowledge of what can be done to it this is what i will refer to for my capping/suspending needs regarding this compound.....

B5150 said:
Only issue I would see with that method is it is not really the best way to dose it. 1g should be spread out evenly throughout the day in .250mg doses to keep steady as possible blood levels.

I'm sure you would agree that capping is the best method
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B5150 said:
This is not a fast acting anabolic. It is a prohormone that requires conversion and then time to elevate levels because of short half life.

The ideal way to run it is in consistant doses for minimum of 6 or 8 weeks. I prefer to run it 8-12 weeks.

I have used it several times and plan to again in that same fashion. It's JMHO.
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B5150 said:
It is not very soluble. I imagine you would be hard pressed to get 20-30mg into solution. If you are talking about dosing 800-1200mg a day that is a lot (~50ml) of solution.

A suspension is different of course. I imagine you could suspend as much as you like, withing reason, so as you don't make a paste.

Putting it in a shake is not advisable as it is not water soluble and you would be wasting a lot of it in the shaker bottle
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B5150 said:
You can suspend in anything...really (oil, PEG, glycol, etc), except hydrophilics[sp] (water).

As far as solution goes, you could try oil or the solvents mentioned. I can't be sure what the saturation point is before it falls back out of solution. I would not try to get it into solution, but rather suspend it at 50mg/ml.

I have suspended DHEA in EVOO at 50mg/ml and it was pretty milky and clumpy and settled and needed to be shaken hard before dosing.
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B5150 said:
I know if you really pack it 200mg will fit into the '1'. I imagine if you went light or no tamper you could get avg~300mg per cap in the '0' (400mg packed)
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PumpingIron said:
okay, or i'm wrong...:(
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Hey now, keep your chin up and have some more Hungarian Handgrenades. I didn't mean to come off as talking down to you (if that's how your taking it). Just trying to make sure everybody understands how to go if using veggie oil.

Ya also gotta remember:

Sinner = Gets off on Dipoles, Pi Bonds, and (of course) Goats

Pumping Iron = Gets off on hot chicks
 
dunk826 said:
ok. say i did this. how would you dose it out if I only wanted 1 gram a day? .75 ml in a oral syringe 4x a day? is that correct if it is 1g per 3ml of oil-1,4 suspension?
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That would work out perfectly. This is set up so that every 3 mL averages to about 1g.

Here's the instructions again in case someone's looking for it:
goatf*cker said:
They will either give you a mg/quarter tsp when you receive it, or you can just assume 1g/mL of powder. (if you're off, it won't be by a noticeable amount).

So for some sample calc's:

-Let's say you've got 50g of powder. We'll assume 1g/mL. So that's 50mL.

-We'll mix that with 100mL of olive oil.

50mL + 100mL = 150 mL

50g/150mL = 1/3g of 1,4AD per mL of suspension.


*Shake well, keep in the fridge, and shake well before measuring out each dosage.
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so just to put it out there and make it easier on those wanting 1.5g a day in this suspension method, it would be 1.5g/4.5ml. dosed out at 1.125 ml 4x a day.
 
Anyone actually been dosing at 1.5g/day yet?

I've seen some decent logs of IForce 1,4AD Bold and they were all ran at 600mg/day...
 
Moyer said:
Anyone actually been dosing at 1.5g/day yet?

I've seen some decent logs of IForce 1,4AD Bold and they were all ran at 600mg/day...
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yea and yet all we keep saying is double that dose. soo wouldnt that possibly translte to double gains those guys got?
 
thesinner said:
That would work out perfectly. This is set up so that every 3 mL averages to about 1g.
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That is going to be mighty thick almost paste like.
 
jonny21 said:
That is going to be mighty thick almost paste like.
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You can add more oil it you'd like. I'm just throwing out some #'s to give you a general idea. It might be more fun to dilute it in a little more oil (or perhaps semi-dissolve in whiskey) and do shots of it.

Oil and alcohol are miscibile (dissolve in each other) so it's plausible to make an oil/alcohol solution/supspension if you're feeling weird and creative. I cannot be held responsible for disgusting taste, though.
 
thesinner said:
You can add more oil it you'd like. I'm just throwing out some #'s to give you a general idea.
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I hear ya.
Some BA added is also an option.

I'll be capping mine. Probably won't need any filler in a "1".
 
jonny21 said:
I hear ya.
Some BA added is also an option.

I'll be capping mine. Probably won't need any filler in a "1".
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Yeah, that'd be a decent size to use.

For me, it's a lot less work to punch digits into a calculator than to cap it. Best of luck to everyone trying either method.
 
nycste said:
yea and yet all we keep saying is double that dose. soo wouldnt that possibly translte to double gains those guys got?
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No, it doesnt.

Also, most of those logs need to be taken with a grain of salt because:

  1. They were sponsored by Iforce
  2. The users were steroid/ph "newbies"
  3. The bold was part of a stack (with like SD, Phera, Halo, etc) which makes it impossible to attribute gains solely to bold.

This product should be run at 800mg/ed minimum IMO. Most will be better off at 1g+ per day.
 
quigs said:
No, it doesnt.

Also, most of those logs need to be taken with a grain of salt because:

  1. They were sponsored by Iforce
  2. The users were steroid/ph "newbies"
  3. The bold was part of a stack (with like superdrol, Phera, Halo, etc) which makes it impossible to attribute gains solely to bold.

This product should be run at 800mg/ed minimum IMO. Most will be better off at 1g+ per day.
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im not here to argue its stupposd to be run at 800 or 1500.

but wtf were they thinking making 1,4adbold 100mg pills. WTF
 
nycste said:
im not here to argue its stupposd to be run at 800 or 1500.

but wtf were they thinking making 1,4adbold 100mg pills. WTF
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My guess is something like this:

"We can sell this for significantly more than it would cost to produce....let's do it."
 
thesinner said:
My guess is something like this:

"We can sell this for significantly more than it would cost to produce....let's do it."
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Word.

That, or because molecular sold 1,4AD in 100mg caps. I honestly don't think they are too well versed in the pharmacolgy of 1,4AD or prohormones in general (based on posts I've read by reps) and I think that they just went with what was sold in the past. They honestly don't seem to understand the difference between oral bioavailability, enzymatic conversion, etc.

I remember when I force bold came out, they were claiming that it would be effective in the 300-400mg range. After bold 200 came out (due to customer demand) they bumped up their dosage suggestions to 400-800mg. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a bold 300 comes out, due to the pressure that NP's bulk powder will put on them, and they will then suggest a 900mg/day dosing protocol.
 
Oral bioavailability would refer to how much you can get into your system after swallowing, without being destroyed.

Enzymatic conversion refers to how much your 17-HSD enzymes feels like slapping protons on the 17-ketone to make it an active steroid.
 
Anyone see this? it's right from the ordering page.

Label Information

Directions:
As a dietary supplement cycle as follows:
Take 200mg twice daily. Take one of those servings 30 minutes prior to training. Cycle for 6-8 weeks, then take 6-8 weeks off.


Important: 1/4 tsp equals out to 700mg (THIS IS NOT THE RECOMMENDED DOSAGE! It is to help make accurate dosing more efficient).
For the most accurate dosing, we HIGHLY recommend picking up one of our trusty pocket scales! Also, to look over our capping options, please click here for more details.
 
thesinner said:
Oral bioavailability would refer to how much you can get into your system after swallowing, without being destroyed.

Enzymatic conversion refers to how much your 17-HSD enzymes feels like slapping protons on the 17-ketone to make it an active steroid.
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Yeah, I'm well aware of the definitions. Iforce reps however, don't seem to posess this knowledge, which is why I mentioned it.
 
does anyone have an mg scale? because if it is really 700mgs per 1/4 tsp i'd like to know, as i'm sure the rest of the masses would. i got mine today, yay!! of course i'm not even going to use it until mid-october.
as far as mixing it all up in a suspension, i'm just going to do individual dosing. I'd like to be sure im getting the exact amount everytime.
 
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