Epistane FTW!!! (and my virginity!) LB's LOG!

Increased Training Intensity and Sense of Well-Being

MAN! that little sidenote in the write-up couldnt be more true! last night's workout was insane (again)! as i said in a previous post- i accidentally bumped to 40mg yesterday but today i'm going back to 30mg until aug 21st. i did deads last night for the first time ever- kind of difficult to gauge the weight but they felt good! i seriously have so much gas left in the tank when im done...today is an off day but tomorrow i think im going to add 15-20lbs to the weight that i normally think i should go...just see what happens. i can always come back down! i think im going to start posting my w/o's with weights and everything...hopefully no one gets all stupid and trys to talk ish about weights or anything...we'll see. as far as my cycle goes everything is awesome...i feel good! my gf keeps saying i look bigger, so thats a plus!
 
Exactly the kind of log i was looking for. Also, do you like the TwinLab Amino Fuel? I always contiplated buying but never heard anything.
Can some one tell me what a Niacin flush is and wil they eventually stop?
 
MentalTwitch said:
Exactly the kind of log i was looking for. Also, do you like the TwinLab Amino Fuel? I always contiplated buying but never heard anything.
Can some one tell me what a Niacin flush is and wil they eventually stop?
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It's just capillary dilation, it's harmless. If it makers you itch, might be some histamine release as well.
 
MentalTwitch said:
Exactly the kind of log i was looking for. Also, do you like the TwinLab Amino Fuel? I always contiplated buying but never heard anything.
Can some one tell me what a Niacin flush is and wil they eventually stop?
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It is well known that niacin is the safest way of reducing cholesterol counts -- without any other medication. Niacin has the property of causing the small blood vessels to increase in size. These are the capillaries. Now, capillaries are often so small that the blood cells pass through them in single file. It is the capillaries that take care of the vast majority of all the cells in the body. You have large arteries near the heart, and they get smaller and smaller as they extend from the heart. But, at the end of every well-sized artery is a very large network of capillaries. They all start from the heart -- but at the end of the line they are tiny, tiny capillaries. Now, there are many miles of the small capillaries in your body -- a vast network which gets within a small fraction of an inch of EVERY cell in the body. It is the capillaries which nourish the cells and which carry away the toxins. Now, add into this equation the fact that most of the toxins in the body are stored in fat cells. These fat cells can hold on to toxins for years, never letting it go until some "event" (like sweating or exercise). Then, the fat cells give up their toxins and they start leaking out into the surrounding tissues. You can have a slow-leak batch of fat cells that are poisoning you constantly. Much of the disease that plagues mankind certainly comes from the constant slow leak of toxins from these fat cells. These fat cells, like the millions of others, are all within a fraction of an inch of some capillary, but IF that capillary is clogged (as most often they are), and if the blood cells move through them only one cell at a time (single file), then you can see that there is not much chance for those toxins to be cleaned up by the flow of blood. If you could find something that would increase the size of these capillaries, and not cause any harmful or adverse reaction, you can see how beneficial this would be.
In fact, niacin does this -- it causes these miles of tiny capillaries to increase in size. It is the INCREASE in size, partly, which causes your skin to get red. While there are miles of these capillaries all through your body, it is near the surface of your body where the arteries are NOT! So, as all the large surface of your body, your skin, is nourished by these small capillaries, and as the capillaries get larger, you can naturally see how the skin would show that increase in blood by getting red!
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there is also something to do with histamine i read...




as far as the amino fuel...since isoleucine, leucine, and valine are pretty much the most essential bcaa's i just picked it up because they have a good amount in there. i dont know how well it is working...it tastes nasty as f*ck....but i drink it before, during, and after in a protein shake. not sure that i can pin point my explosive gains to this- more than likely not..but hey- its a bcaa!
 
i actually like the niacin flushes...:think:
call me weird lol...but i like to see that the **** is working its ass off just like me! :thumbsup:
 
MentalTwitch said:
Exactly the kind of log i was looking for. Also, do you like the TwinLab Amino Fuel? I always contiplated buying but never heard anything.
Can some one tell me what a Niacin flush is and wil they eventually stop?
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you get all hot and prickly feeling in your face and neck and sometimes your arms. they don't usually last more than 20 min's and eventually you will build a tolerance for it. there are no flush brands of niacin available by the way.
 
liftitbig85 said:
i actually like the niacin flushes...:think:
call me weird lol...but i like to see that the **** is working its ass off just like me! :thumbsup:
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yep - some of my fraternity brothers back in school used to hit me up for some niacin every now and then and rock on.
 
Here's a post from my Formestane log:

Yeah baby. I had the flush from the beginning. Was taking 2 doses of 500mg niacin a day. When I took it on an empty stomach it was even more agitated. Last night I took a dose ( 500mg ) on empty and little to no flush. Personally I love the "on" or effect of niacin and form :D I'm an ex junky :D ( mary jane, sugar, adrenaline )

I am now ( today ) going to ramp up to taking 1g at a time see how that goes and then on to two. Finally taking 2g's before bed on empty.

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Check out the url you Niacin lovers :) Good shiat!
 
This may be the ultimate newbie question, but what's niacin got to do with Epistane? Does Epistane contain 500mg or 1g of niacin or what? Or do you just get a niacin flush from Epistane for some other reason? :)

Nice log, liftbig. :thumbsup:
 
Arzi75 said:
This may be the ultimate newbie question, but what's niacin got to do with Epistane? Does Epistane contain 500mg or 1g of niacin or what? Or do you just get a niacin flush from Epistane for some other reason? :)

Nice log, liftbig. :thumbsup:
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ITS from the niacin in the Poseidon supplement.
 
45Caliber said:
Man, I HATE Niacin flush!! Feels almost like an allergic reaction for me.
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That's because it basically works like an allergic reaction! heh

Histamines are released when you are allergic to something and also when niacin is present in high enough amounts. That causes the vessel dilation which makes the skin look red/pink, itchy, and even a little swollen.
 
JJC said:
That's because it basically works like an allergic reaction! heh

Histamines are released when you are allergic to something and also when niacin is present in high enough amounts. That causes the vessel dilation which makes the skin look red/pink, itchy, and even a little swollen.
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just being funny but then again it might be a legite question -
would benedryl help?
 
AnonyMoose said:
just being funny but then again it might be a legite question -
would benedryl help?
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of course... but then it would be conterproductive... the increased vasodilation helps with the absorbtion of the rest of the vitamins and what not ill bet with poseidon.... why even take niacin if your only gonna take benedryl again to conteract the effects?

unless it would still be benificial in other manners but you are a severe reactor to it? :think:
 
poopypants said:
of course... but then it would be conterproductive... the increased vasodilation helps with the absorbtion of the rest of the vitamins and what not ill bet with poseidon.... why even take niacin if your only gonna take benedryl again to conteract the effects?

unless it would still be benificial in other manners but you are a severe reactor to it? :think:
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true.
 
Arzi75 said:
This may be the ultimate newbie question, but what's niacin got to do with Epistane? Does Epistane contain 500mg or 1g of niacin or what? Or do you just get a niacin flush from Epistane for some other reason? :)

Nice log, liftbig. :thumbsup:
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the niacin is in the poseidon...which i take 2 scoops 3 times a day....thanks for followin along :thumbsup:
 
Day 8

this was an off day with my new w/o...felt good to just relax!!

Day 9

great! today (last night) i really felt good in the gym, like really good. i was doing dumbell shoulder press and my buddy told me to bump up to 75's on my last set and i was like haah f*ck that..not yet not yet (mainly because i've had shoulder surgery before, and because my left shoulder took a **** like a month ago) needless to say peer pressure got the best of me...i pumped out those 75's...8 damn times! man it felt so good...i was so pumped up! im really starting to feel this i think- almost positive. im already looking bigger, i can def. tell that. my diet is stayin pretty good too...tonight is another night- i hope i shred it up!
 
I'm going to start posting my workouts...so im going to back up to starting this week....

Aug. 13

Wide grip decling machine 186x8 - 236x8 - 266x6
flat BB bench press 135x8 185x8 225x4
BB military press 135x8 165x8 185x5
CG bench 135x8 155x8 175x6
squat 95x8 135x8 185x8
seated calve raise 60x9 90x8 120x8

Aug 14

BB bent over row 95x8 125x8 165x4
wide grip lat pull down 120x8 140x8 165x5
close grip lat pull down 120x8 140x8 165x4
DB shrug 70x8 85x8 95x8
DB curl 35x6 30x8 45x4
hammer curl 35x8 40x8 40x8
stiff leg deadlift 95x8 115x8 154x8


Aug 16

incline DB press 55x8 65x8 75x8
DB shoulder press 50x8 65x8 75x8
Skull crusher 55x8 60x8 70x6
leg press 270x8 320x8 340x6
leg press calf raise 90x8 110x8 180x8
 
liftitbig85 said:
the niacin is in the poseidon...which i take 2 scoops 3 times a day....thanks for followin along :thumbsup:
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I'm following with especial interest as I have a feeling that I might soon lose my virginity to a good-looking bottle of Havoc that has been eyeing me - yeah, I mean totally checking me out, dude - for some time now. :D

The only thing that is keeping me back is that I don't have any access to a SERM - do you think I might be able to pull off a cycle of Epistane/Havoc without a SERM in post cycle therapy?

I live in Europe and you have to be a practicing M.D. or something before you can even think about laying your hands on stuff like SERMs.
 
xjsynx said:
I just started taking Poseidon-BA. Good stuff, extra tingle!
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They added the Beta-Alaine just to give it "extra tingle"? Geez, those freaks. :D

Can't imagine going through the dreaded Beta-Alaine tickle while at the same time experiencing the famed Niacian flush - I bet you are itching all over, bro! :D

Is there, btw, any liver toxicity issues with taking that much nicotinic acid (I presume it's nicotinic acid and not niacinamide because of the skin flushing one gets)?
 
Arzi75 said:
I'm following with especial interest as I have a feeling that I might soon lose my virginity to a good-looking bottle of Havoc that has been eyeing me - yeah, I mean totally checking me out, dude - for some time now. :D

The only thing that is keeping me back is that I don't have any access to a SERM - do you think I might be able to pull a cycle of Epistane/Havoc without a SERM in post cycle therapy?

I live in Europe and you have to be a practicing M.D. or something before you can even think about laying your hands on stuff like SERMs.
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You have got to be dumb or nuts to try and do both with no PCT. I mean if you hate your balls by all means proceed but oh crap man thats dumb.
I also read Havoc is a bad idea as a first cycle. Havoc is harsh man, rethink it. I'm not sure and could be very very wrong but isn't Epi methylated? also Havoc?

Arzi75 you have PM
 
MentalTwitch said:
Arzi75 you have PM
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Thanks for looking out, Twitch! :thumbsup:

Hmmm, I thought Havoc is the same as Epistane, and I'm not going to take both, one or the other.

The reason I have chosen Epi or Havoc is that from what I have read the sides are pretty non-existent?

But the problem is that I am not sure if it is wise - even pulsing - to try to pull off either without a SERM?

I was thinking along the lines of HDx2, 6-OXO or ATD for PCT, but I am not convinced if that is enough for either Havoc or Epistane.
 
Arzi75 said:
Thanks for looking out, Twitch! :thumbsup:

Hmmm, I thought Havoc is the same as Epistane, and I'm not going to take both, one or the other.

The reason I have chosen Epi or Havoc is that from what I have read the sides are pretty non-existent?

But the problem is that I am not sure if it is wise - even pulsing - to try to pull off either without a SERM?

I was thinking along the lines of HDx2, 6-OXO or ATD for post cycle therapy, but I am not convinced if that is enough for either Havoc or Epistane.
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There was a recent thread opened about how bad ATD is in post cycle therapy. Ill try to grab it.
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help

Hey guys,
im gonna be starting epi soon, well a few weeks after the hols. im gonna pulse it for 8 weeks.

I am looking for a post cycle therapy that i can legaly buy in ireland.
So would anabolic extreme advanced post cycle therapy be good enough or would i need more with it. nolva and all that are banned from coming through customs here.

so help please. i really appreciate it. thanx.

so it would look like this then i hope
week 1-8 epi (pulse)
week 8-12 jungle warfare or hyperdrolx2 (last day or 2 of epi)
week 8-12 post cycle therapy ( ) please fill in the blank. HAHa.
any help much appreciated. remember legal in ireland. thanx:good:
 
Irish, Advanced P.C.T. or HDX2 either would be well suited for PCT, especially after an epi pulse. Not sure about the suppression qualities of JW, I hear mixed reviews about that and haven't tried it myself yet.
 
cheers

thanx d, i tried to email you back the other day from bn site but ur email isnt working. thanx for the help. i got confused because there are so many reviews and everyone has a different pct.

one other thing, is there any alcohol allowed while on epi. ireland are in the rugby world cup starting soon and you know how that goes, if we do well it could lead to a few nights out. haha. fingers crossed.

thanx again:good:
 
rpen22 said:
So any updates, or what? How's everything going?
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AHH yes...i've been SO crazy busy...got a new position at work and stuff...but i've been working out everyday...started at 40mg's yesterday...i will do a better update tonight or tomorrow with some lifts from the last couple days and feelings and such...thanks for followin along!! :thumbsup:
 
irish lifter said:
thanx d, i tried to email you back the other day from bn site but ur email isnt working. thanx for the help. i got confused because there are so many reviews and everyone has a different post cycle therapy.

one other thing, is there any alcohol allowed while on epi. ireland are in the rugby world cup starting soon and you know how that goes, if we do well it could lead to a few nights out. haha. fingers crossed.

thanx again:good:
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Having a drink or two (~20ml absolute ethanol or less) a night will not hurt, but if you get silly with it like at the rugby match, try to keep that to once weekly at the most. :)
 
this log sucks! hahah no really- it does! i apologize! buut..i got into a car accident and bruised my sternum really bad so i havent been on the up and up lately. i actually never stopped working out (i only took off 2 days), but the rest of my time has just been being lazy and eating haha...so with that...i HOPE HOPE HOPE that i will be able to update later- i have to go to the dr right now....for everyone that followed along- my apologies for giving such a ****ty log...but i still have like 2-1/2 weeks left on epi then my pct so tons more time to turn this thing around! :thumbsup:
 
liftitbig85 said:
this log sucks! hahah no really- it does! i apologize! buut..i got into a car accident and bruised my sternum really bad so i havent been on the up and up lately. i actually never stopped working out (i only took off 2 days), but the rest of my time has just been being lazy and eating haha...so with that...i HOPE HOPE HOPE that i will be able to update later- i have to go to the dr right now....for everyone that followed along- my apologies for giving such a ****ty log...but i still have like 2-1/2 weeks left on epi then my post cycle therapy so tons more time to turn this thing around! :thumbsup:
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:( That sucks man. Well, I hope you recieved good news at the docs man and your not hurt badly enough that you cannot continue. That would be a shame.

Keep in mind, life will always get in the way. Things are always going to come up. Doing a bulking cycle/gym itself can be very time consuming, nevermind running a log on top of it.

Do the best you can with your time, log the important stuff (changes, weight, routine, etc) and most of all eat clean! :eat:

Don't jeopardize the log/your cycle because you face a little opposition/issues. This is something i did twice with my previous cycles that i very much regret; mainly because i was taking steps back that i would need to overcome later.

Keep us updated when you can. :)
 
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