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T3 Worth The Risk?

Is T3, if used conservatively, worth the Dangers?

  • Yes

    Votes: 222 71.8%

  • No

    Votes: 87 28.2%
  • Total voters
    309
For cutting: Clen or T3

This would be first time with either of these two, so which do you guys recommend: T3 or Clen???? Really looking to cut fat and get cut. Also, want to be safe as well.

What would you guys stack with them??? Really looking for help and advise from people who have used them.
-Ephedrine, Stims (Lipo 6, etc)
 
Don't have any experiance with either, but wouldn't stacking lipo 6 or ephedrine with either one of the those compounds be akin to throwing a match in a burning building?
 
doesn't t3 stress the heart pretty badly? If thats the case why would you combo it w/ ECA or stims? Albuterol really doesnt speed heart rate that much at all and seems like it would be just as effective.
 
TURUGBY said:
doesn't t3 stress the heart pretty badly? If thats the case why would you combo it w/ ECA or stims? Albuterol really doesnt speed heart rate that much at all and seems like it would be just as effective.
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I don't know how T3 can put that much stress on your heart. I know people who've used it for years... in fact, it's prescribed for patients with thryroid issues long term. That's not to say it's not stressful, but short term use should be pretty safe.
 
TURUGBY said:
doesn't t3 stress the heart pretty badly? If thats the case why would you combo it w/ ECA or stims? Albuterol really doesnt speed heart rate that much at all and seems like it would be just as effective.
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you are thinking of clenbuterol compared with albuterol, not t3
it is dose dependent as well
 
Jayhawkk said:
It's not as bad as people say but you are already familiar with the sides if you've done DNP. A lot of people stack t-3 with clen but i've found venom hyperdrive goes extremely well with t-3.
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I agree. I think people blow it's muscle catabolism WAY out of proportion. If you use it right and correctly, you can make great strides towards your fat loss goals, it's always worked wonders for me. I've done 3 or 4 cutting cycles with it, and i'm bigger and stronger now than i've ever been in my life. So if it ever did eat any of my muscle, I got it all right back.
 
Im trying to put some kind of fat loss program together and its not working out so far ---I did a 7 week TD tren cycle over the summer and gained 20lbs now most of that is lbm but I have some flab to get rid of .I been using some TD pgf2 for topical fat loss doesnt seem to be working---I also been using some form of armour thyroid supposed to be t3 15mcg/t4 25--after about a week no weightloss --I looked it up and it looks like the pill is suppoed to be white but mine is brown --now granted my diet could be better but I thinking this brown pill might be bunk---is there a diierence in results of natural t3 or synthetic?As far as t3 goes 25mcg 1or 2 doses per dat?and would a small dose of anavar with that help to save muscle?
 
It seems like most of the male bodybuilders that have used T3, have done so without obvious detremental effects to the heart. But I voted no.

I developed heart palpitations around the time I ran the only low dose cycle of T3 I have done (~50mcg < 2 weeks time). My cardiologist doesn't think that was the problem at all and my thyroid recovered fine and all current tests seem to come back fine. I also have other explanations for the palpitations.

But, the reason many people in the medical profession have elected not to use T3 as a weightloss drug is because of its potential negative impact on the heart (electrical conduction and possibly other stuff). I believe Nandi over at cuttingedgemuscle wrote quite a bit on T3 and had a similar concern.

So based on feedback from bbers, it seems it can be run safely when used moderately and properly. But I still have enough personal concerns never to use it again.
 
Cardinal said:
It seems like most of the male bodybuilders that have used T3, have done so without obvious detremental effects to the heart. But I voted no.

I developed heart palpitations around the time I ran the only low dose cycle of T3 I have done (~50mcg < 2 weeks time). My cardiologist doesn't think that was the problem at all and my thyroid recovered fine and all current tests seem to come back fine. I also have other explanations for the palpitations.

But, the reason many people in the medical profession have elected not to use T3 as a weightloss drug is because of its potential negative impact on the heart (electrical conduction and possibly other stuff). I believe Nandi over at cuttingedgemuscle wrote quite a bit on T3 and had a similar concern.

So based on feedback from bbers, it seems it can be run safely when used moderately and properly. But I still have enough personal concerns never to use it again.
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Im starting to agree [against t3] did you know that eventhough t3 is half life is like 2.5 days the activity of t3 [fat burnig ]only lasts for 4 hours where as t4 1 dose per day--your body will make t3 from it throughout the day?
 
I've been using it for a little over 3 weeks now and i'm down 7lbs, i started at 25mcg and ramped up 25mcg every 4 days, i went up to 75mcg but i found i was too lethargic and my workouts felt MUCH harder. So now i'm at 50mcg/day and i may even go down to 25mcg. I would definitely use this stuff again and use it over Clenbuterol anyday. I also think the catabolic side of it is over done as well, as long as your diet is in check you should be fine. I'm going to use it from now on when bulking and cutting. I'll probably be using either 100mcg of T4 or 25mcg of T3 yearround as i have low thyroid levels anyway, and then just bump it up to 200mcg for the T4 or 50mcg for the T3 when on cycle. I've got some T4 coming to me so i'll be able to compare them. Dr D swears by T4, apparently it's less catabolic than T3 with less sides.
 
CHAPS said:
I've been using it for a little over 3 weeks now and i'm down 7lbs, i started at 25mcg and ramped up 25mcg every 4 days, i went up to 75mcg but i found i was too lethargic and my workouts felt MUCH harder. So now i'm at 50mcg/day and i may even go down to 25mcg. I would definitely use this stuff again and use it over Clenbuterol anyday. I also think the catabolic side of it is over done as well, as long as your diet is in check you should be fine. I'm going to use it from now on when bulking and cutting. I'll probably be using either 100mcg of T4 or 25mcg of T3 yearround as i have low thyroid levels anyway, and then just bump it up to 200mcg for the T4 or 50mcg for the T3 when on cycle. I've got some T4 coming to me so i'll be able to compare them. Dr D swears by T4, apparently it's less catabolic than T3 with less sides.
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What type of PCT are u planning.
 
skull said:
post cycle therapy for t3 or any thyroid---guggle[spelling]? selenium-zinc---has anyone used t3 and albuterol together?
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I just stated t3 and alb. So far the T3 doesnt feel like its doing anything. Almost done with my first week. ALB seems to be better. I have started T3 at 25 mcgs and upped it to 35. I feel like I should be at a higher dose, but Im trying to be carefull.
 
Justin said:
I just stated t3 and alb. So far the T3 doesnt feel like its doing anything. Almost done with my first week. ALB seems to be better. I have started T3 at 25 mcgs and upped it to 35. I feel like I should be at a higher dose, but Im trying to be carefull.
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so your taking both at the same time on a empty stomach and then giving them both some time to absorb before eating anything?
 
skull said:
so your taking both at the same time on a empty stomach and then giving them both some time to absorb before eating anything?
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Yes. The difference I can tell from the alb. because its taken every 4 hours. I may have gotten some bad T3. I dont know. Or it doesnt effect me as much.
 
The T3 i got hit me super fast, and i'm not planning a pct as i need to be on some sort of thyroid med so i'll just lower the dose, i actually switched over to T4 and i'm doing 200mcg and i feel alot better on this than i did on the T3, T3 made me feel too lethargic.
 
Coming from a personal stand point I say no.. I have used it for competition but would not use it just to diet.

My wife battled thyroid cancer and beat it and now has to take T3 to live.

Yes i think you can take it for recreational use moderatly, but do not suggest it
 
Chaps, you said you need to be on thyroid meds?
Are you under doctors care, and did you switch straight across from t3 to T4 200 mcg?
I ask because I have Hashimotos thyroiditis and am about to start on Armour. My doctor wants me to start very low 1/4 grain and work up slowly to prevent adrenal issues.
Although, before I saw this doc. I ordered T3 and was thinking of doing a low dose cycle of this and then switch to Armour. Anyone have issues of adrenal problem with T3?
 
Are you guys on Steroids?

Isn't it worse to take T3 alone? Also I've heard it can metabolize muscles too. Not good (why most use while on gear)/
 
hey guys im runnning t3+clen+winny .. i will start tommarrow i plan on runnning it hard for a month . ! let u know how it goes .
 
Clen for women?

Rodja said:
If you are at a plateau, then try using Sesamin and TTA. Your bodies ability to oxidize FFA's may be a little low since you have lost a lot of weight. Or if you are still feeling risky, then you could always go with clen.
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I'm trying to lose around 3-5% body fat.
Would you advise women to try clen to lose fat? What dosage would you recommend and also the duration
 
Justin said:
Yes. The difference I can tell from the alb. because its taken every 4 hours. I may have gotten some bad T3. I dont know. Or it doesnt effect me as much.
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Not quite sure what effects you're looking for. You should measure body temp before/after dose to see if it's working.

I think it depends on your dose of T3 as well. The side effects aren't as noticeable as clen or even albuterol. I've used Alb on it's own and also now with T3, and I definately feel an increase in sides (heart rate, body temp, etc) while using the 2 together. I've also tried going a day with no Alb and just taking my regular dose of t3, and didn't notice much in the sense of sides (but then again I am ramping up right now and am only taking 20mcg/ed)..nothing more than a slight increase in body temp, but I haven't measured it yet, just noticed a bit of 'warmer' feeling and if I take any sort of stim (coffee, etc) then I feel more stimmed than usual. But that's all, nothing even close to clen shakes, or high-dose Alb shakes.

Edit: I take that back. once I got over 60mcg/d it hit me pretty good. Body is noticeably warmer and I'm getting palpitations. Must mean it's working. Under 60mcg (around 25-35mcg) and I didn't notice too much.
 
Justin said:
Yes. The difference I can tell from the alb. because its taken every 4 hours. I may have gotten some bad T3. I dont know. Or it doesnt effect me as much.
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well 25mcg of T3 is a normal replacement dose. once you go to supra physiological levels of T3 is when you will "notice" something. when i first took higher doses of it i had a tightness in my chest that took a few days to go away, but would return when i increased the dose.
 
I'm on clen and T3 and everything seems to be fine so far. No real sides and I'm gaining strength not losing .
 
I'm taking BCAA's and clen which are both anabolic. I only take 25mcg of T3. I'm on about 60mcg of clen right now and I'm ready to up the dose again.
 
crader said:
I'm taking BCAA's and clen which are both anabolic. I only take 25mcg of T3. I'm on about 60mcg of clen right now and I'm ready to up the dose again.
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We are watching her extremely close for any signs of muscle wasting/catabolism. It is a fine line between optimal fat burning and muscle wasting.

So far, she is making great progress with actual increases in strength and muscle tone.
 
Question. And forgive me if I missed this info on another thread, I've definitely researched it quite a bit, but I notice that nowhere does anyone say how the dosing should be approached. While I know you ramp slowly (adjusting every 4 days), with a max of 75 or 100mcg, do you split doses?

I ask because the half life is around 6-8 hours. I plan to keep it at 50mcg tops, so would I be taking all 50 in the morning, or 25 morning, 25 evening?
 
acshadow said:
i took one every few hours
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and i assume you had 25mcg doses, right?

the ones i'm getting are actually 50, but they're perf'ed, so you can split, and even quarter them very easily (in case you want to start at 12.5, or do the 37.5 in between 25 and 50, which I'm actually thinking about doing).
 
After about a month off, I'm doing one more quick cycle of t3 but w/clen this time instead of albuterol.

I'm dividing my doses of t3 to morning and afternoon. I think the effectiveness of each dose will last around 4 hours each from what I've read.

Looking like this so far (I'm into day 4 now).

clen
20/40/60/60/80/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/80/60
then 2 weeks of ECA + ketotifen

t3
20/40/60/80/100/120/120/120/120/120/120/100/80/60/60/40/40/40/20/20/20

Slow taper off the t3 and into NOW's Thyroid Energy for post cycle therapy (which worked well before). I think the last cycle was ok, but I kept the #'s pretty low since it was my first time (went from 20-80)..This time I'm upping the #'s and the only anabolic's I'm using are clen, ALRI evo stack, and mega-dosed BCAA's. Nothing steroidal...I don't think it's necessary for a short cycle (and I think the catabolic effects of t3 aren't as bad as ppl think it may be).
 
Gutterpump said:
After about a month off, I'm doing one more quick cycle of t3 but w/clen this time instead of albuterol.

I'm dividing my doses of t3 to morning and afternoon. I think the effectiveness of each dose will last around 4 hours each from what I've read.

Looking like this so far (I'm into day 4 now).

clen
20/40/60/60/80/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/80/60
then 2 weeks of ECA + ketotifen

t3
20/40/60/80/100/120/120/120/120/120/120/100/80/60/60/40/40/40/20/20/20

Slow taper off the t3 and into NOW's Thyroid Energy for post cycle therapy (which worked well before). I think the last cycle was ok, but I kept the #'s pretty low since it was my first time (went from 20-80)..This time I'm upping the #'s and the only anabolic's I'm using are clen, ALRI evo stack, and mega-dosed BCAA's. Nothing steroidal...I don't think it's necessary for a short cycle (and I think the catabolic effects of t3 aren't as bad as ppl think it may be).
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I have a couple of concerns with this idea bud, I gotta say. 1st, the norm is to increase t3 every 3 to 4 days, but here you're ramping daily, which is going to negatively impact your thyroid's ability to bounce back after. secondly, clen isn't really anabolic. some people consider it anabolic when paired with a hormonal sub, but just alongside t3, you're going to eat into muscle, no doubt about it.

I've actually got a thread going that's got some discussion on this, and the possibility of using a pulse cycle (and a few other topics, as well). Come check it out, there's some good input:

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yeah, I'm on day 5 of that cycle, but I've kept the t3 at 40mcg for now.. thinking I should ease a lil more into that dose.

I think I'm still going to aim to hit 120mcg for a bit though before tapering off. I didn't find that 80 was catabolic at all previously..but I also had very little sides at that amount and it didn't do as much as I thought it would tbh. Pretty sure my source is good, everything else has been spot on with them.
 
Gutterpump said:
yeah, I'm on day 5 of that cycle, but I've kept the t3 at 40mcg for now.. thinking I should ease a lil more into that dose.

I think I'm still going to aim to hit 120mcg for a bit though before tapering off. I didn't find that 80 was catabolic at all previously..but I also had very little sides at that amount and it didn't do as much as I thought it would tbh. Pretty sure my source is good, everything else has been spot on with them.
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Yeah, but bear in mind last time you were taking a really heavy combination of phs on your first go around, up to, and including, if I remember correctly, elephant sperm and rhinoceros mucus! :head: (j/k)

The point is, even 120 probably wouldn't have been catabolic given the cycle you were on, but w/out a ph, it's VERY likely to be. Check out the link I sent you and read through. You'll see Dr. D's warning about t3 when he thought I was ramping it too fast.

Just telling you to excercise caution is all.
 
True, and I ramped up to 40mcg pretty quick (20mcg day 1, 40mcg day 2), so maybe I should ramp back off for a week just to be safe, before going back onto the normal plan I had, and then ease a lil more into it. My reasoning for that original plan was so I could keep the cycle less than four weeks and relatively short, but effective.

ps: next time I'm dropping the elephant sperm and going with PP lol
 
Apowerz6 said:
If you want an anti catabolic that will harden you up, while reducing bf try retain or Jungle Warfare
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Testing this theory out now. Taking Retain/JW/BAM + BCAAs. Don't want to go back on cycle till the fall @ earliest, so hopefully this is a somewhat decent alternative.
 
ThisGuy02 said:
Best of luck with it, gp. Keep us posted on the results.
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I dropped the EVO stack after almost 3 weeks on it. Having overlapped it on my last week of my last post cycle therapy and taking all 3 products simultaneously - I didn't like the way I was feeling on it, especially after being on nolva/trione for a few weeks first. I don't think it's a good idea to lower estrodial levels for that length of time.

I have a good amount of restore left though which I'll save for a later time. This is the first time I've realized how having low estrogen levels over a period of time is horrible on your skin and joints - plus my libido's been up and down...sometime's I'm good to go 3 times a day, other times I skip a day of sex.. Even B5 + fishoil's been doing nothing to help my skin + joints. So out it all goes till a later time (I've stopped just the evo stack itself completely). I'm going to just keep the t3 levels a lot lower than originally planned (currently @ 35mcg) and I'm currently @ 120mcg of clen ed which seems to be alright atm with not as many sides anymore. Thankfully it was only the first week that was bad, without the taurine/poseidon to help me then.
 
What do you guys think of a cycle of Cynomel 25mcg a tab inceasing 1 tab every 3 days to 4 tabs for the duration then tapering down like this?

Week 1 (Sun to Tue 25mcg daily. Wed to Fri 50mcg dail. Sat 75mcg daily)

Week 2 (Sun & Mon 75mcg daily Tue to Sat 100mcg daily)

Weeks 3-7 (100mcg Daily)

Week 8 (Sun to Tue 75mcg Daily Wed to Fri 50mcg Daily Sat 25mcg daily)

Week 9 (12.5 mcg Daily)

Week 10 (12.5 mcg Daily)
 
jwilds73 said:
What do you guys think of a cycle of Cynomel 25mcg a tab inceasing 1 tab every 3 days to 4 tabs for the duration then tapering down like this?

Week 1 (Sun to Tue 25mcg daily. Wed to Fri 50mcg dail. Sat 75mcg daily)

Week 2 (Sun & Mon 75mcg daily Tue to Sat 100mcg daily)

Weeks 3-7 (100mcg Daily)

Week 8 (Sun to Tue 75mcg Daily Wed to Fri 50mcg Daily Sat 25mcg daily)

Week 9 (12.5 mcg Daily)

Week 10 (12.5 mcg Daily)
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10 weeks is FAR too long. I wouldn't go past 6, including the ramp up and down. Also, I hope you plan on running AAS or PH along with this, right?
 
Yes I'd be running PH's. I've tried researching this and have read that long cycles are ok and that the thyroid is resilent etc but I have not seen a dosing schedule etc for someone on a long T3 cycle. Or someone on throid hormone almost year round (9 months) as has been stated.
 
jwilds73 said:
Yes I'd be running PH's. I've tried researching this and have read that long cycles are ok and that the thyroid is resilent etc but I have not seen a dosing schedule etc for someone on a long T3 cycle. Or someone on throid hormone almost year round (9 months) as has been stated.
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Year round thyroid hormone is not for people involved in bodybuilding and seeking weight loss. That’s hormone replacement for people with hypothyroidism, and as far as I know, it would never get as high as 75 or 100mcg doses. While your thyroid is resilient and typically bounces back, you always run the risk of frying it, and you don’t want to risk having to stay on thyroid hormones for the rest of your life. Running a cycle that long definitely could have adverse effects, which is why I recommend staying at 6.

The safest way to do it is ramp up every 3-4 days, if you want to go at increments of 25 mcg instead of 12.5, that should be ok, though I’d recommend starting at 12.5 just to ease your body in, then go up 25/50/75/100. If you’re going to go up 25 mcg at a time, I’d recommend going the every 4 days route.

You don’t have to take my word for it, but do yourself a favor and really research this before you take the plunge unprepared and damage your body.
 
Thanks for the input it just seemed like so much information conflicted with each other or atleast didn't explain the difference in Bodybuilding use and long term replacement. I have done alot of reading searching t3 (with a wildcard "*" just so I could search a 2 letter word cynomel, cytomel and the actual chemical name) I'd rather be safe then sorry so a shorter cycle would be better.
 
jwilds73 said:
... I'd rather be safe then sorry so a shorter cycle would be better.
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NO. If you are going to have thyroid problems (i.e because of a family history OR you are simply predisposed) any thyroid shutdown could create problems.

One way to shorten your preposed cycle is to eliminate your ramp down and simply come off at the higher dose. Ramping down will actually postpone your recovery as you wait to slowly get back down to zero. An analogy is steroids...if you are shutdown then a taper down of externally administered hormone will not cause the body to resume its own production sooner.

So just come off at your higher dose and start your thyroid PCT. Now brand of Thyroid Energy is a good supplement...there are others. Your metabolism is going to be sluggish for a couple of weeks post cycle perhaps up to 4-6 weeks even...so up the cardio and increase the carbs (necessary to get the thyroid going again).

If you are not predisposed to thyroid problems than being on T3 for 6 weeks is really no different than 8 weeks. The extra 2 weeks will not "fry" your thyroid...whatever that is.

There is nothing wrong with caution, however...

Keep in mind that at 12.5mcg your thyroid will probably not be shutdown; at 25mcg and up your thyroid will be shutdown; at 50mcg you could experience side effects such as lethargy; at 100mcg you are at the maximum "for sure safe level"; above 100mcg there ae no guarantees.

Also as your dose goes beyond 25mcg you run the risk of losing muscle and a steroid would be needed to help prevent/limit this.
 
datBtrue said:
NO. If you are going to have thyroid problems (i.e because of a family history OR you are simply predisposed) any thyroid shutdown could create problems.

One way to shorten your preposed cycle is to eliminate your ramp down and simply come off at the higher dose. Ramping down will actually postpone your recovery as you wait to slowly get back down to zero. An analogy is steroids...if you are shutdown then a taper down of externally administered hormone will not cause the body to resume its own production sooner.

So just come off at your higher dose and start your thyroid post cycle therapy. Now brand of Thyroid Energy is a good supplement...there are others. Your metabolism is going to be sluggish for a couple of weeks post cycle perhaps up to 4-6 weeks even...so up the cardio and increase the carbs (necessary to get the thyroid going again).

If you are not predisposed to thyroid problems than being on T3 for 6 weeks is really no different than 8 weeks. The extra 2 weeks will not "fry" your thyroid...whatever that is.

There is nothing wrong with caution, however...

Keep in mind that at 12.5mcg your thyroid will probably not be shutdown; at 25mcg and up your thyroid will be shutdown; at 50mcg you could experience side effects such as lethargy; at 100mcg you are at the maximum "for sure safe level"; above 100mcg there ae no guarantees.

Also as your dose goes beyond 25mcg you run the risk of losing muscle and a steroid would be needed to help prevent/limit this.
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Yep. I'm actually on my last week at 50mcg and let me tell you, I'm dying to finish. The lethargy has been INSANE. I have to drag my ass to the gym every day, whereas I usually can't wait to get there.
 
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