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Test Enanthate and Epistane...

Hurdle are you crazy? 10lbs is awesome to keep after PCT from a cycle, that's a successful cycle! I do agree and probably will get flamed for it but when i did 500-750mg of test E i wasnt too impressed either. It could have just been my gear was sh1tty, i need more, my diet sucked, my training was flawed, i dont know but if i run Test 'E' again ill run 1gram.
 
Theres one gigantic dude on this baord running test cyp at 500g's and getting great gains...

...I mean do what you want, but just think about it before you start running that much gear. Remember you want to use the least amount possible to get the desired result. I think this idea isn't used enough anymore, especially when you have some people on this board who seem to think it's really cool to run insane amounts of gear and brag about it.
 
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i know the two you speak of hahaha.

Well i think my UG lab days are over, i mean its just not reliable in many ways, dosing, sterility, and sometimes the actual compound....At least with Human Grade you know that when a vial states 250mg, it is no less then 250mg and very clean.

I agree with the opinion that running 10+ grams of steroids a week is ridiculous, I mean that is for someone competing at high levels of the sport and most of those guys dont even do that much.
 
PumpingIron said:
Theres one gigantic dude on this baord running test cyp at 500g's and getting great gains...

...I mean do what you want, but just think about it before you start running that much gear. Remember you want to use the least amount possible to get the desired result. I think this idea isn't used enough anymore, especially when you have some people on this board who seem to think it's really cool to run insane amounts of gear and brag about it.
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:thumbsup: :clap2: good post!.....i got awsome results at 500mg........remember diet,training,sleep,play a huge factor that cant be made up for by dosing retarded amounts of gear!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to PumpingIron again.
 
PP is right, I know a few high level guys who use under 750mgs of Test a week...I mean they always stay on, but some pulse it form around 300 to 750...

TD, I can't agree with you more. Diet Training Rest will play a bigger factor than anything.
 
PumpingIron said:
PP is right, I know a few high level guys who use under 750mgs of Test a week...I mean they always stay on, but some pulse it form around 300 to 750...

TD, I can't agree with you more. Diet Training Rest will play a bigger factor than anything.
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I agree with both of you but one should also consider this. A person's goals will always dictate their gains as well. Diet and training would be the first two priorities to have in line in order to accomplish these goals but "gains" cant always be measured by a bodyweight increase, but rather a change in the physique for the better. A first-second time user may have the dosages right, and be "planning on bulking" but thier diet and training resemble that of a steady recomp routine. Then when they're done with their cycle they are dissapointed because they expected more than maybe a 10lb lBM increase.

Of course on the other side of things, the Top level guys your speak of using up to only 750mgs of test a week are ALWAYS on. It would probably make sense to compare this dosage (being administered constantly throughout their bodybuilding years) to cycling on and off (including PCT) with higher levels of Test for shorter periods of time.

Not everyone on the board wants to stay ON for years, and alot of members have many other priorities to consider before bodybuilding\powerlifting. In the defense of those who have invested the time and effort into this passion, and wish to take it further with responsible steroid use, but dont want to make steroid use a long-term commitment, shorter cycles with somewhat higher dosages followed by PCT and enough time OFF are probably not something to discourage. (assuming:
1. Its not the first cycle
2. The users diet and training match match his\her goals
3. The user has done adequate research
 
pudzian, please don't constru what I said as recommending staying on. I would never do this and I am planning on doing quite a few contests in my lifetime.

Either way, I agree with your post up until you equated the 750mgs to a larger dose. These guys basically pulse the test and in theory thier androgen receptors would be more burnt then those of us who cycle on and off, so I would equate 750 to much less, in fact.

What exactly did you mean by shorter cycles? 6-8 weeks?
 
another thing to consider is the guys on 750mg test are on a bunch of other sh1t too. I doubt there are many top level guys on 750mg test only and making nice gains, unless they are cruising at that dose.

Regardless, the goal is to use as little gear as possible to obtain our goals. Someone wanting 30lbs from one 12 week cycle is just expecting way to much. Gear abuse is one thing that is done alot. Revamped, some people could have enough leftover gear that they dont need to be dosing for someone else to run a cycle. Hell, getswole does enough juice for all the gold members here to do a cycle off.
 
i would love to know what jay and ronnie inject /swollow for their usage.....anyone know???
 
PumpingIron said:
pudzian, please don't constru what I said as recommending staying on. I would never do this and I am planning on doing quite a few contests in my lifetime.

Either way, I agree with your post up until you equated the 750mgs to a larger dose. These guys basically pulse the test and in theory thier androgen receptors would be more burnt then those of us who cycle on and off, so I would equate 750 to much less, in fact.

What exactly did you mean by shorter cycles? 6-8 weeks?
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Oh no I didnt think that at all. I was just saying that "qualitatively" they could be compared, ( Putting aside the AR's burning out which is very legitmate). My main point was really about the goals matching the dosages etc...It could be one of the main reasons that gear is commonly abused by those whose expectations arent met at say, a moderate and safe dose of gear.

Im sure alot of these guys would achieve more by staying ON (despite the AR downreg) , and using the Test constantly as a form of HRT to obtain hypertrophy then they would by coming on and off and trying to maintain their gains\size without a constantly and artificially enhanced endocrine system if you will.

I plan on doing several contests as well but even putting that aside, this science behind this is interesting and any point of view can be food for thought.
 
jeez, ive missed a lot since the last time i signed on...Ive always heard that with test more is more, more size and more sides...with the cycle i would be running finasteride and nolvadex the whole time as well as life support and supercissus, oh and ill do some contests as soon as i get around 220 or so. I dont wanna post measurements until the end of my postcycle, but my right arm was 17.75" today when i measured it (i was curious). That was with no pump like the before measurements.
 
pudzian2 said:
Oh no I didnt think that at all. I was just saying that "qualitatively" they could be compared, ( Putting aside the AR's burning out which is very legitmate). My main point was really about the goals matching the dosages etc...It could be one of the main reasons that gear is commonly abused by those whose expectations arent met at say, a moderate and safe dose of gear.

Im sure alot of these guys would achieve more by staying ON (despite the AR downreg) , and using the Test constantly as a form of HRT to obtain hypertrophy then they would by coming on and off and trying to maintain their gains\size without a constantly and artificially enhanced endocrine system if you will.

I plan on doing several contests as well but even putting that aside, this science behind this is interesting and any point of view can be food for thought.
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I've seen some guys argue that the down regulation of androgen receptors is pure BS...I doubt I'll ever just stay on, so I personally will never test that theory.
 
PumpingIron said:
I've seen some guys argue that the down regulation of androgen receptors is pure BS...I doubt I'll ever just stay on, so I personally will never test that theory.
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Can you explain what you meant by those guys you referenced that "pulsed" the test. I'm not really framiliar with how that would work
 
Not to interrupt everyone's discussion...

This looks REALLY good....
I plan on doing this same exact Test/Epistane cycle (well.. modified a bit...) for my first injectible...
 
pistonpump said:
not to interrupt.....but you did. :thumbsup:
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:lol: ...piston your a smartass.:thumbsup: ...good job buddy......i was rollin at one of your coments yesterday
 
Insidious1 said:
OHHHH REALLY?!?! Wel EXCUUUUUUUUSE Me! LOL

:FUfinger: :icon_lol:
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oh no he didn't.....................


































:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
weight yesterday was 201, im hoping thats where its gonna be staying. The plan is to finish my bottle of powerfull, then take tna, and then take massfx with more igf in october. I think im gonna end up doing another cycle in january, i cant wait
 
i just took some after pics, ill get them loaded up on the computer and post them up later, or maybe tomorrow, also with some measurements...
 
Ubiquitous said:
EOD is 3.5 times a week. E3D is 2.5 times a week. E4D is 1.75 times a week.

250mg E3D would be 625mg/week average.

250mg E4D is 437.5mg/week average.

1.25cc's E4D would be 312.5mg/day averaging 547mg/week.

You can ascertain dosages by those calculations. E4D is fine, I just choose to have more frequent schedules with Enan. You can do anything that is reasonable.

I'm not saying your advice is wrong ralph4u2c, but why would you give advice when you haven't done it? Just curious as to how you can justify giving advice when you haven't yourself been there. I'm referring to your E4D advice, dose manipulation, and ALRI's restore post cycle therapy. I'm assuming you are advising to use HCG during and not after.
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Hi Guys,

I'm new to all this and just going on my first cycle.
I'm just blown away by what you discuss in here... dosage calculations and all the other stuff.

I just purchased a batch of Testostrone Enanthate 1ml (8vials) and 100tablets of Methandienone 5mg.
The guy who sold it to me instructed me to jab myself with the Test. once a week and take 3tablets a day for 60 days.

Good grief, he did not mention having to take Clomid after the cycle! and this seems to be rather important after a cycle to get your body to start producing test.

Could anyone please let me know where to purchase clomid online, as I live in Singapore.

Thanks,
Mike
 
miketop said:
Hi Guys,

I'm new to all this and just going on my first cycle.
I'm just blown away by what you discuss in here... dosage calculations and all the other stuff.

I just purchased a batch of Testostrone Enanthate 1ml (8vials) and 100tablets of Methandienone 5mg.
The guy who sold it to me instructed me to jab myself with the Test. once a week and take 3tablets a day for 60 days.

Good grief, he did not mention having to take Clomid after the cycle! and this seems to be rather important after a cycle to get your body to start producing test.

Could anyone please let me know where to purchase clomid online, as I live in Singapore.

Thanks,
Mike
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well mike, bro.... you dont just "jab" yourself.... you just go doin that and youll end up getting an infection, end up stabbin a vein or any number of other things and dying and i definately wouldnt be taking dbol for 60 days straight even at 15mg ed, not unless you like havin a liver... you need to do alot more researching around these boards as to whats the proper way to run things and then read the rules cause asking for sources (ur clomid request) will get you banned.... gl.
 
poopypants said:
well mike, bro.... you dont just "jab" yourself.... you just go doin that and youll end up getting an infection, end up stabbin a vein or any number of other things and dying and i definately wouldnt be taking dbol for 60 days straight even at 15mg ed, not unless you like havin a liver... you need to do alot more researching around these boards as to whats the proper way to run things and then read the rules cause asking for sources (ur clomid request) will get you banned.... gl.
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Hey Bro,
My sincere thanks for the advice.
I'm just so freaked out that the guy how sold me the stuff did not fill me in on how to do it right. I believe I got ripped off having paid over $600.00 for it.
I'm glad that there is so much good info in this forum for newbies like me.

I've been reading a lot over here since discovering this forum.
My apologies for asking about clomid, had no idea that there were such strict rules here.

Once again, thanks.
would you allow me to ask you some questions via private email, so as not to break any rules here in the open forum.
I look forward to your kind reply.
Have a nice day.
Cheers,
Mike
 
miketop said:
Hey Bro,
My sincere thanks for the advice.
I'm just so freaked out that the guy how sold me the stuff did not fill me in on how to do it right. I believe I got ripped off having paid over $600.00 for it.
I'm glad that there is so much good info in this forum for newbies like me.

I've been reading a lot over here since discovering this forum.
My apologies for asking about clomid, had no idea that there were such strict rules here.

Once again, thanks.
would you allow me to ask you some questions via private email, so as not to break any rules here in the open forum.
I look forward to your kind reply.
Have a nice day.
Cheers,
Mike
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You can ask as many question as you want they just can't be about sources(you can't ask where to get it or where you got it). Just read all the stickies at the top of the steroid section
 
hey guys, the pics i took came out all messed up, which is really annoying. But im going to take more tomorrow night, my gf bought me a digital camera, so i cant wait to try it out.
 
mfbb said:
u paid 600$ for 8ml of test e and 100 5 mg dbols?!?!?!!!!!
i hope i didnt read that right!
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Yup that's right $600 and that's after I bargained to have the $40 delivery charge knocked-off.

I just contacted the chap to ask for clomid tabs, and he told me it was totally not necessary....but if I insisted he'll sell me 30 tabs for $100. (do you think this a reasonable price?)

You know, I'm having a real hard time trying to deal with having to stick a needle in my butt to inject the test-E.
How do you guys manage this, and to pull back the plunger to check that you've not gone into a blood vessel and then inject the stuff Slowly!!!... wow.
Too bad there's no one to help me out here in Singapore.....no one even talks about this.

Anyway, I'm reading as much as I can in this forum.
Thanks guys. Cheers, Mike
 
In all honesty guys, talking about prices isn't cool on this board either...

...HD, looking forward to seeing those new pics. what'd you end up ata again? what are you now? how far are you into PCT?
 
miketop said:
Yup that's right $600 and that's after I bargained to have the $40 delivery charge knocked-off.

I just contacted the chap to ask for clomid tabs, and he told me it was totally not necessary....but if I insisted he'll sell me 30 tabs for $100. (do you think this a reasonable price?)

You know, I'm having a real hard time trying to deal with having to stick a needle in my butt to inject the test-E.
How do you guys manage this, and to pull back the plunger to check that you've not gone into a blood vessel and then inject the stuff Slowly!!!... wow.
Too bad there's no one to help me out here in Singapore.....no one even talks about this.

Anyway, I'm reading as much as I can in this forum.
Thanks guys. Cheers, Mike
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dude shoot your quads, wait! dont even use it until you know what the fck you are doing.....doesnt seem like you do honestly. Start a new thread too. its not cool to crowd up someones thread with your own questions. not trying to be a d1ck but thats just courtesy.
 
pistonpump said:
dude shoot your quads, wait! dont even use it until you know what the fck you are doing.....doesnt seem like you do honestly. Start a new thread too. its not cool to crowd up someones thread with your own questions. not trying to be a d1ck but thats just courtesy.
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Thanks mate, sorry I did not mean to intrude on the thread here.
Peace, Mike :-)
 
mfbb said:
sorry if i broke any rules by talkin abt prices...i just couldn't believe that ish
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I just remember some of the mods getting on peoples cases in the past about it...

But that sh*t is nuts though, I wish I had that kinda money...
 
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