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First Injectable cycle... am I ready?

Rumpnuts

Rumpnuts

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I've finally made the decision to turn to the dark side and try out injectable steriods. I have already purchased 5 carts of synovex and 2 carts of fina and both kits, needles, ect needed to convert and inject. currently I'm at 175lbs 10% bf 5'61/2" so I do have some good mass aquired over the last 6 years of training. Diet is on check(i'm currently still on a cutting phase) trying to get down to 8%. I workout hard five days a week and do cardio 3-4 days a week on lite days and off days. I have previously ran PP cycle 4 weeks, SD cycle 3 weeks, and a havoc/pp/sd pulsing cycle 7 weeks. So good experience with orals Heres the plan

Bulking cycle...starting late sept..early oct

week 1-10 Test prop 100mg ed
week 1-10 Tren ace 100mg ed...mixed w/the prop
week 1-10 Raloxifene 80 mg ed?
week 1-10 6-oxo or another AI that would be better?
week 1-10 finasteride 1mg ed
PCT
week 11-14 Toremifene 120/80/40/20
week 12-14 6oxo and nettle root
week 11-14 retain or restore
cycle support 1 dose a day the entire cycle and post cycle

opinions, feedback, and critisim is welcome...
 
i'm sure you will get the standard "don't use tren in a first cycle" response on this.

and being your first you would probably be very happy with the results from just a stright prop cycle.

what are your goals of this cycle?
from the looks of your proposed cycle, it looks like you are extremly fearful of bloat, adding additional fat and hair loss. am i right?
 
Bro, that is a lot of pinning for a first cycle. Why not opt for a 10 week Test-E cycle with a possible jumpstart since you do have some experience with orals?
 
Just the prop is plenty or cut your doses of both compounds in half. Tren is very potent and IMO even 350mg is more than needed. Also with the syno there will be residual estrogen in the finished product, so all the estrogen control items is a good idea. I would shy away from the finasteride with the syno as DHT helps to combat extra estrogen. 700mg of prop will produce good results and you will be able to know it was the prop if you get side effects.
 
I would run just test first cycle to see how you react. Then when you try the tren you will see how much strength you get from it. I love tren!!! The strength is amazing
 
just run the prop at 75mg ed, no need for 100 ed on the first cycle. no tren first cycle.
 
holy moly!! That is waaaaaaayy to much juice. Tren 100mg/day?!?!?! Add on prop 100mg a day?!?! Stick with prop 100mg/day... people say tren is an advanced steroid... and it is! Many more instances of contamination and impure steroids with tren, many more side effects possible, harder on the body... if you run what you have prposed i will flat out say you are crazy.
 
OK OK... I realize that tren is way too much for a first cycle, I've read so many post about how much it kicks @$$. I might not us the Finastride if its going to impair my gains, but it will definitly be on had if needed(my dads bald, but I have a thick head of hair, and plan on keeping it).
So I guess I'm going to stick with just prop for this cycle. I would like to do some Test E instead but the lack of sources is the reason I chose the synovex and fina. maybe I'll do some googling and see if I can't find any oversea sources. If I can't I'll stick with the prop.

So has anyone done prop EOD I'm thinking that would be much less irritating than pinning every day. maybe 175-200mg EOD... the problem I have with that is boucing hormone lvls. the last pulse cycle presented that problem and gave my face an ungodly terrable break out, which I'm just now almost getting rid of with the help of a crap load of acne meds.
 
id leave the tren out and cut the cycle to 8 weeks if you are pinning that much. Be prepared, either you will get tired of pinning or look forward to it. Stick with 500-700mg prop ew range.
 
tren is good but is very very bad for hairloss. You will need an anti-androgen on your scalp like spironolactone. I would use finasteride at 1mg/day regardless... man i would rather be big than a little bigger and bald :) Use fina 1mg/day and an acetic acid topical at night, along with noziral shampoo twice a day. For the test use activate to decrease bound testosterone and increase gains making up for the finasteride

Your cycle looks good. I would go just Test at 100mg a day... TRUST ME you will make insane gains!!!
 
^^^^
all above ideas are good.
But go ahead and buy 1 cart of finaplex and use it. Just pin the finalplex e.o.d. or 3 times a week.
This would give you approx. 225 mg. of Tren a week. plus the amount of prop. you want to take. You should be very happy with your progress, as long as you eat and train.

If your going to pop your CHERRY go ahead and pop that cherry.
 
Ok opinions on my newest dosing idea

150mg test prop EOD
50mg tren EOD

that would be close to 500-600mg prop a week and 150-200mg of tren a week... what do you think, sounds like a lower dose schedual that should work out preaty well, not over powering on the tren at all.
 
whatever. do what you want. tren for a first cycle is stupid Sh$t. talk about popping your cherry,well great you will have a big ol popped cherry and a nice hospital bed to bleed in. No first timer can incorporate estrogenic gyno, hairloss, progestin problems like progestin gyno, tren d$ck (deca d$ck)... even if the test helps it your progestrin could still F#CK up your T3 and metabolism and give you gyno later, mess with your liver values... and also there is a LOT of bunk tren gear out there, a LOT made from cattle pellets with a LOT of contamination... just trust me on this. And although i have known a lot of people do it with no problems at all, it only takes once to screw up your hormones or worse... and i happen to know someone who after three days went into septic shock almost lost arms and was pretty damn close to dying because of contamination in a very very reputable UG lab

It is your choice i recommend Test Cyp or Test Eth once a week... why the hell for a first cycle would you inject everyday... anyways if you do the prop just do the prop only
 
Ok, OK fritzer... you've definitly scared me out of using tren on my first cycle. I'm shure I'll have enough to deal with my first time using prop... I would go with test E but I have no sources and have already bought the conversion kit and syno. So 200mg EOD is what I'm thinking, I agree that ED would be a pain in the ass and I have never pinned myself before, so I might or might not like pinning alot. I'll make shure I keep my work area a clean and sanitized as possable wile using rubber gloves, I will also bake the final product at 165 for 45 minutes to make shure it is fully sterilized.
 
sorry to go down on you hard man, i don't want you to mess up anything. You got your whole life to get as big as ronnie :) and in a first cycle whether it is test/tren or just test you will make insane gains, ... why risk the tren for an extra few lbs if that?
 
Rumpnuts said:
Ok opinions on my newest dosing idea

150mg test prop EOD
50mg tren EOD

that would be close to 500-600mg prop a week and 150-200mg of tren a week... what do you think, sounds like a lower dose schedual that should work out preaty well, not over powering on the tren at all.
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Ok.. never did a cycle... (well... did two "ProHormone" cycle's which were nearly as strong as an oral... but anyways...)

Just a couple questions...

Why did u go with Test Prop...? Was Enanthate or Cypianate (spelling) not an option? ALSO... the halflife on these injectibles are relatively long lasting.... why would you need to pin more than once or twice a week to get your 500-700mg of TEST? It seems like a LOT of pinning to me...

I could be wrong.... but to save urself the hassle... i was under the impression you could do 350mg twice a week.... to get your 700mg/week.

The half-life of the steroid would sustain itself for the time bewteen injections, wouldnt it?

I'll be following this thread.. b/c in a few months (November) i plan on running my first injectible cycle.... So i hope to hear some good responses to these questions...
 
Insidious1 said:
Ok.. never did a cycle... (well... did two "ProHormone" cycle's which were nearly as strong as an oral... but anyways...)

Just a couple questions...

Why did u go with Test Prop...? Was Enanthate or Cypianate (spelling) not an option? ALSO... the halflife on these injectibles are relatively long lasting.... why would you need to pin more than once or twice a week to get your 500-700mg of TEST? It seems like a LOT of pinning to me...

I could be wrong.... but to save urself the hassle... i was under the impression you could do 350mg twice a week.... to get your 700mg/week.

The half-life of the steroid would sustain itself for the time bewteen injections, wouldnt it?

I'll be following this thread.. b/c in a few months (November) i plan on running my first injectible cycle.... So i hope to hear some good responses to these questions...
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research and research my friend. Dont even plan a cycle until you know all the bases/basics. half lives and injections are a big part of it as well.:study:
 
Agreed... i would say i am at relatively knowledgable about this....

But... you have to admit... when someone comes on these boards... it CAN be alittle hard to decipher between people's opinions and fact....

I try to learn from everyone else's experiences... And i know that even if i DID decide to do an injectible cycle.... it would have to be towards the end of the year or later (after i allow plenty of clensing time and i do my research)...

I was posting the above post to ask the original poster.. and everyone else..... as to why he planned on pinning everyday.. and why he chose test prop as compared to Enanthate or Cypianate...

The "half-life" topic is a bit scientific and i've looked for more of a dumbed-down verson of it. I have a good idea of how half-life affects the length of the test in the system and stuff..

I'm sorry if i am annoying anyone.. and will NOT clutter up the original posters thread...

Just tryin to get a CLEAR understanding of his reasoning for his choice of gear... AND... at the same time... get some good knowledge that i can hold onto for when i plan my cycle in the future..

Thanks for the input! I don't mind the criticism... it only helps me to learn.... ;)
 
Insidious1 said:
Agreed... i would say i am at relatively knowledgable about this....

But... you have to admit... when someone comes on these boards... it CAN be alittle hard to decipher between people's opinions and fact....

I try to learn from everyone else's experiences... And i know that even if i DID decide to do an injectible cycle.... it would have to be towards the end of the year or later (after i allow plenty of clensing time and i do my research)...

I was posting the above post to ask the original poster.. and everyone else..... as to why he planned on pinning everyday.. and why he chose test prop as compared to Enanthate or Cypianate...

The "half-life" topic is a bit scientific and i've looked for more of a dumbed-down verson of it. I have a good idea of how half-life affects the length of the test in the system and stuff..

I'm sorry if i am annoying anyone.. and will NOT clutter up the original posters thread...

Just tryin to get a CLEAR understanding of his reasoning for his choice of gear... AND... at the same time... get some good knowledge that i can hold onto for when i plan my cycle in the future..

Thanks for the input! I don't mind the criticism... it only helps me to learn.... ;)
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As to the reason why he chose the gear he did, I couldn't tell you, I'm not him. A few reasons to go with Enan or Cyp for a 1st injectable cycle, first off you only have to pin once or twice per week. I was not afraid of needles, but after a few weeks into my first cycle (500mg test-e wk) I couldn't imagine pinning more than mon and tues. Test-e is also virtually painless for the most part where Prop can be very painful. Those are just a few reasons why I personally opted for enan rather than prop.
 
rupmnuts,
yes your ready. Sounds like you have your mind made up, and not afraid of pins, which is good.
If you have the tren on hand, i'd go ahead and take it with your prop.
 
bro you would be fine with prop 100mg eod or 50mg ed that was my first cycle without the tren dont use that yet just wait.. but i gained 18 pound off just 100mg eod you dont need even 75mg ed...

jvb20

Rumpnuts said:
I've finally made the decision to turn to the dark side and try out injectable steriods. I have already purchased 5 carts of synovex and 2 carts of fina and both kits, needles, ect needed to convert and inject. currently I'm at 175lbs 10% bf 5'61/2" so I do have some good mass aquired over the last 6 years of training. Diet is on check(i'm currently still on a cutting phase) trying to get down to 8%. I workout hard five days a week and do cardio 3-4 days a week on lite days and off days. I have previously ran PP cycle 4 weeks, superdrol cycle 3 weeks, and a havoc/pp/superdrol pulsing cycle 7 weeks. So good experience with orals Heres the plan

Bulking cycle...starting late sept..early oct

week 1-10 Test prop 100mg ed
week 1-10 Tren ace 100mg ed...mixed w/the prop
week 1-10 Raloxifene 80 mg ed?
week 1-10 6-oxo or another AI that would be better?
week 1-10 finasteride 1mg ed
post cycle therapy
week 11-14 Toremifene 120/80/40/20
week 12-14 6oxo and nettle root
week 11-14 retain or restore
cycle support 1 dose a day the entire cycle and post cycle

opinions, feedback, and critisim is welcome...
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After doing ph cycles I was wondering why tren e would be bad with dbol first cycle? Losing hair is not an option but I thought tren was safe? Should I change to test e to keep the hair and be safe?
 
good to know jbv... I agree that I might as well take small steps to work my way up to bigger doses, If I don't see alot of results from 100mg eod id bump it to 150, but it doesn't sound like that'll be a problem
 
Insidious1 said:
Agreed... i would say i am at relatively knowledgable about this....

But... you have to admit... when someone comes on these boards... it CAN be alittle hard to decipher between people's opinions and fact....
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thats the problem. You need to research elsewhere, where its more unopinionated. There are alot of old sites out there with old views of thinking but you have to look at alot of info. Hell even when i thought i was knowledgable i found out i was only on the surface. Still holds true, i learn new stuff but its more in-depth physiological type now :D.And thru it all experience is the greatest teacher. Main thing is learning profiles, basics of how hormone systems work, half lives, pinning, side combatting, then you learn even more after that. First off tho' we need to make sure our diets and training are up to par.
 
pistonpump said:
thats the problem. You need to research elsewhere, where its more unopinionated. There are alot of old sites out there with old views of thinking but you have to look at alot of info. Hell even when i thought i was knowledgable i found out i was only on the surface. Still holds true, i learn new stuff but its more in-depth physiological type now :D.And thru it all experience is the greatest teacher. Main thing is learning profiles, basics of how hormone systems work, half lives, pinning, side combatting, then you learn even more after that. First off tho' we need to make sure our diets and training are up to par.
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Touche......

LOL I have been on here reading ALL DAY the past two days... (not to mention the past 8 months! LOL)

I have a GOOD idea of what my first injectible cycle will be... but i'm not gonna clutter up this guys thread...

I've gotten A LOT of help through PM'ing a couple people on here... And i can't say how much i appreciate the help folks
 
his choice of gear was limited to prop because he didn't have a source for enan, cyp, etc. but i concur with everyone else on using test only and leave out the tren. don't risk it....yet;) save it for your 2nd or better yet 3rd cycle of inj. why don't you throw in a low dose oral the first 4 weeks if your looking for those extra gains?
 
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