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Shutdown after a pulse...

chleric

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This is the first time I felt like this on all the cycles I've done.
I'm finishing up an 8 week pulse cycle of Trenadrol and Revolt. I felt fine for the whole cycle and I'm pleased with the results. This past week, I could feel libido diminishing somewhat and been feeling like I'm shooting blanks. Last night took the cake, I couldn't finish my gf....wtf...the drive wasn't there and I had gone limp in the middle of it.

This is my last week of the cycle, should I just finish it OR just go straight into PCT?

My PCT consisit of:

Nolvadex (left over) 40/20/20/10
Retain 2
Powerfull
DHEA

I have a Clomid also and I was thinking of throwing in also. I've done a few PH and Injectable cycles in the past and had no problem with libido and PCT.

Is there anything else I should include? I do have the other supplements such as Cycle Support, BCAA, etc.
 
I'm going to drop the DHEA and add MACA and Fengreek to the pct. I'm also thinking of adding Paravol, but that might be overkill.
 
If it were me I would hit the PCT, you are pleased with the cycle and are not cutting it half way throught or anything like that.
 
TRN is very well known for its shutdown/libido killing effects. It killed my libido at 6mgs, but raised it at anything under 6.

What is your pulsing protocol? 3x/wk eod or more?

JMO, but if your still gaining and can tolerate it for another couple of days, then i would just stick with the plan and finish your last week. Gains vs sides decision, your call. Sounds like you really dont want to do that, though. I personally would finish it and i also woulnt run trn longer than 4wks, even in a pulse.

PCT looks good, esp with the additiona of the fen. I dont think you will need the clomid.

In case your not farmilar with the inverse protocol, you want to arrange it something like this:

wk1- Nolva 40mg/d, PF 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, retain2 4 caps/d, FEN 3 caps,
wk2- Nolva 20mg/d, PF 25mg/d, DHEA 150mg/d, retain2 3 caps/d, FEN 4 caps,
wk3- Nolva 20mg/d, PF 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d, retain2 2 caps/d, FEN 5 caps,
wk4- Nolva 10mg/d, PF 75mg/d, DHEA 50mg/d, retain 2 1 cap/FEN 6 caps
 
Another thought, consideirng this was a pulse and assuming your not terribly shut down, you could also start with a low dose now (20) and do 20 all through as planned till wk 3.
 
I did a pulse of 3x/week eod for 8 weeks. This was my first time of doing a pulse and from all the reviews, I figured I would be supressed to a minimal. This is my last week, so it's about right/time to get off before the damages becomes worse.

I was thinking if I should start the Nolva at a lose dose until I fully begin with PCT.

Do you think adding in Activate Extreme alog with Powerfull would be overkill? Upon further reasearching, I read mixed reviews about Paravol, so I decided to go with the Activate Extreme since is tried/true. And the reason why I'm skeptical about Fenugreek is because I already have Clomid, and the sides are bearable (to a certain extent).

I am not familar with the inverse PCT, I've always use the standard PCT after a cycle. But, I wasn't expecting to get a mild shutdown from a pulse ironically!!

I appreciate everyone's advice.....
 
Well, yourself and your previous experiences are the best gague here, but i think you may be overdoing it adding if you add anything else.

You can overdo it with PCT, with certain things. Trust me; your not comming off a 6wk TRN/SD or another very supressive full cycle here.

Clomid is a SERM, Fenugreek is a natural herb that helps increase test as well as help cholesterol, but it only has mild gassy sides. You dont need two serms here.

Is this maca, maca root?

I personally would run the nolva at 20 into wk1 of PCT, then continue with 20 (or 40) till wk3, then to 10 at wk 4. Retain, PF, Fen, dhea and nolva is all you need.

PF & AE would be overkill, indeed. Save em for after wk4, for a brige to your next or just till done.

The thread is by DR.D and is "inverse SERM to atd" or something. Its rated and very long; you cant miss it.
 
Thank you for your advice! "Overkill" is all I needed to hear on the PF and AE. I do have everything except for the AE and Maca. (BTW the Maca is Bulk Maca from Nutraplanet).

I guess I got a little worried because this is the first time I lost my mojo...lol! I've done tren ace, tren enath, and other injectables and I've never felt any shutdown.

I'll keep my pct simple with the Nolva/Fenu/Dhea/PF/Retain 2 and look into the "inverse" protocol.

Thanks....
 
no prob man. I hear you...i didnt enjoy my drop in libido recently either....reminds me of sd when i took it! :(
 
Revolt was probably a bad choice if you wanted to minimize shutdown. Revolt/max lmg type products give good gains but shut me down hard everytime.
 
Just curious, but how did you dose the Max LMG/Revolt and TRN? I'd be leary to use two progestins at once.
 
I dosed it 2 pills each pre- and post workout. Week 1.5, I started at 1 pill each, then Weeks 2-8 I've been dosing it @ 2 pills each. My original plan was to do TRN/Dbol Weeks 1-4, then Revolt/Dbol Weeks 5-8, but I think that is too many orals. This was my first time doing an "oral" only cycle, the results were better than I expected, but I think you'd get better results with injectables (duh!), if you compared it to an 8 week cycle of test prop/tren ace....
 
Jstrong20 said:
Revolt was probably a bad choice if you wanted to minimize shutdown. Revolt/max lmg type products give good gains but shut me down hard everytime.
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Unfortunately I've learned the hard way. My libido was fine, up until last week (week 7).
 
chleric said:
Unfortunately I've learned the hard way. My libido was fine, up until last week (week 7).
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Well it sounds like the pulsing worked then because revolt will crush mine it a week or two. Its not a big deal though as you got good gains. I would run a pct and the libido will be back in no time.
 
^^
Our boides increase production of cortisol and other hormones in response to heightened test levels that come from the cycle. Coristol levels are highest at that time and it is important to keep coristol in check right away and get them back to the norm. Otherwise, you will loose most of your gains/add fat.

This is just as important as getting our test/estrogen levels balanced back.

Ive ran cycles with (baseline dose and inverse w/serm)and without and i will never run a pct without coristol control. Retain2/restore are the best out there.

Another reason is cause it is part of the "inverse SERM protocol" that 95% of us follow for our PCT.

Here is the excellent thread...click the link and have a seat and a sandwitch.

this is for the OP as well...

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/post-cycle-therapy/37790-running-serm-inverse.html
 
Inverse AI thread is an excellent thread. I reference it frequently. In no way am I in a position to challenge anything that Dr. D gives the "ok" :thumbsup:

Also, I'm not questioning the use of cort control in post cycle therapy. Rather, I'm questioning your dosing strategy... hence "why taper?"

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The author continues with these strategies throughout the series.

Personally, I would either ramp up cort control to week 3 (and continue from there) or start cort control in week 3 of post cycle therapy. Other members of AM have suggested similar strategies to me when I was in the planning phase of my cycle.
 
chleric said:
Last night took the cake, I couldn't finish my gf....wtf...the drive wasn't there and I had gone limp in the middle of it.
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I always thought that "pulsing" orals was bullsh1t. Sounds to me like it will shut you down just as much and reduce your gains at the same time.

You might as well finish the cycle because you are gonna be Mr. Limp-C0ck for a while. Its not going to spring back to normal 1 week into post cycle therapy.

Get some Cialis or get your girlfriend a vibrator.

And keep an eye on her also, you wouldent be the first guy whose girl dumped him during PCT for some skinny ****er who can get his d1ck hard on demand.
 
FrankJ said:
I always thought that "pulsing" orals was bullsh1t. Sounds to me like it will shut you down just as much and reduce your gains at the same time.

You might as well finish the cycle because you are gonna be Mr. Limp-C0ck for a while. Its not going to spring back to normal 1 week into post cycle therapy.

Get some Cialis or get your girlfriend a vibrator.

And keep an eye on her also, you wouldent be the first guy whose girl dumped him during post cycle therapy for some skinny ****er who can get his d1ck hard on demand.
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I thought I give it a try.....and trust me, this is the first/last time I'm doing an oral only OR pulsing cycle. I'll just go back to running injectables.....
 
chleric said:
I thought I give it a try.....and trust me, this is the first/last time I'm doing an oral only OR pulsing cycle. I'll just go back to running injectables.....
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Cialis will definitely work, it may give you a headache or make your nose stuffy but who cares about that stuff, lol.

As far as libido goes, the only thing that works for me when I am shutdown is 2 Tribuloid ( Goliath Labs ) about 1 hour before horny time. Im sure some other quality tribulus works good but thats the one I tried and it works. It wont keep you horny forever, but it will produce a spike for a few hours.
 
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