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Epistane- 6 week Idea

ducktoe69x

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Ok, After Careful consideration, I've come up with a solid 6 week cycle and I want to hear some input. I got this idea through various logs and reviews.
Height: 6' 2"
Weight: 180lbs
Body Fat: 10-15%??? Never had a measurement
Age: 23 (24 in a month)
Cycle Number: First
Diet:
High Protein - Chicken, Beef, Cottage Cheese, Peanut Butter, Milk....
Good Carbs - Oatmeal, Oat Bars, Rice, Pasta, Bread.....
Low Fat, Low Sugar (sugar free Breyers Ice Cream on occasion, shhhhh),.....
Cycle Type: Bulking (don't want a ton of water weight, having to burn off water after a cycle seems like a big waste of time)

Long Term Goals
Weight: 215lbs
Body Fat: 6-8%
Cut like a knife murder victim

Cycle/post cycle therapy Goals
Weight: 190-195lbs
Body Fat: 10-12%
Leaner

Support Supplements - Taken always, during, PCT, and some time after...

Adam's SUPERIOR Man Vitamin.....Multivitamin
Liver Detox and Regenerator........Liver
Pro Liver W/ NAC.......................Liver
Taurine....................................Back Pumps/Kidneys
Red Yeast Rice W/ CoQ10...........Heart
Celadrin...................................Joint Lotion
Cissus Quadrangularis.................Joint/Bone Health (anabolic properties???)
7-KETO DHEA...........................Natural Hormone (good for lethargy i heard???)
Serious Mass WeightGainer..........Protein/WeightGainer
Storm.....................................Creatine/NO

and ridiculous amounts of water (1.5-2gal daily)....Crystal Light for flavor sometimes

I will probably try out Real Gains Weightgainer by Universal after Serious Mass, I heard it's pretty top notch with lean gains.

On Cycle - 6 weeks
Epistane (2 bottles @ 90caps each) - 10-20-30-40/40/40/40/40/50 blink.gif
Is that too much to take during a cycle even with adequate support supplements.I'd love to add something to help with gaining lean muscle that has very small or no sides, any ideas???

Post Cycle Therapy - 4 weeks or so (haven't purchased any PCT products yet)
Fareston (Toremifene Citrate)...SERM @ 120/80/60/40
Retain2...................................Cortisol Blocker @ 3x Daily
Rebound XT.............................ATD @ 100/75/50/25
Fenugreek...............................Herbal Libido Enhancer
Paravol...................................Libido Enhancer (What dose???

Obviously, I want to keep my gains and if possible, add a little more during PCT. I won't be able to start for 3-6 weeks as I RE-Broke my hand...yes, REBROKE. I fractured it 1 1/2 months ago, almost fully healed and slipped down some wet stairs at my parents house last weekend....bone splinters, broke it pretty good, 1 degree off from needing surgery (thank the lord on high!!!).

Any help people can give would be great, I'm pretty excited about starting this up....was going to this week, but you know.......O-well, no rush!

Thanks everyone (and the knowledgeable people with such great body building ideas)
 
ducktoe69x said:
Ok, After Careful consideration, I've come up with a solid 6 week cycle and I want to hear some input. I got this idea through various logs and reviews.
Height: 6' 2"
Weight: 180lbs
Body Fat: 10-15%??? Never had a measurement
Age: 23 (24 in a month)
Cycle Number: First
Diet:
High Protein - Chicken, Beef, Cottage Cheese, Peanut Butter, Milk....
Good Carbs - Oatmeal, Oat Bars, Rice, Pasta, Bread.....
Low Fat, Low Sugar (sugar free Breyers Ice Cream on occasion, shhhhh),.....
Cycle Type: Bulking (don't want a ton of water weight, having to burn off water after a cycle seems like a big waste of time)

Long Term Goals
Weight: 215lbs
Body Fat: 6-8%
Cut like a knife murder victim

Cycle/post cycle therapy Goals
Weight: 190-195lbs
Body Fat: 10-12%
Leaner

Support Supplements - Taken always, during, post cycle therapy, and some time after...

Adam's SUPERIOR Man Vitamin.....Multivitamin
Liver Detox and Regenerator........Liver
Pro Liver W/ NAC.......................Liver
Taurine....................................Back Pumps/Kidneys
Red Yeast Rice W/ CoQ10...........Heart
Celadrin...................................Joint Lotion
Cissus Quadrangularis.................Joint/Bone Health (anabolic properties???)
7-KETO DHEA...........................Natural Hormone (good for lethargy i heard???)
Serious Mass WeightGainer..........Protein/WeightGainer
Storm.....................................Creatine/NO

and ridiculous amounts of water (1.5-2gal daily)....Crystal Light for flavor sometimes

I will probably try out Real Gains Weightgainer by Universal after Serious Mass, I heard it's pretty top notch with lean gains.

On Cycle - 6 weeks
Epistane (2 bottles @ 90caps each) - 10-20-30-40/40/40/40/40/50 blink.gif
Is that too much to take during a cycle even with adequate support supplements.I'd love to add something to help with gaining lean muscle that has very small or no sides, any ideas???

Post Cycle Therapy - 4 weeks or so (haven't purchased any PCT products yet)
Fareston (Toremifene Citrate)...SERM @ 120/80/60/40
Retain2...................................Cortisol Blocker @ 3x Daily
Rebound XT.............................ATD @ 100/75/50/25
Fenugreek...............................Herbal Libido Enhancer
Paravol...................................Libido Enhancer (What dose???

Obviously, I want to keep my gains and if possible, add a little more during PCT. I won't be able to start for 3-6 weeks as I RE-Broke my hand...yes, REBROKE. I fractured it 1 1/2 months ago, almost fully healed and slipped down some wet stairs at my parents house last weekend....bone splinters, broke it pretty good, 1 degree off from needing surgery (thank the lord on high!!!).

Any help people can give would be great, I'm pretty excited about starting this up....was going to this week, but you know.......O-well, no rush!

Thanks everyone (and the knowledgeable people with such great body building ideas)
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wow looks like youve done your home work and got your plan pretty well set. that length of a cyclee especially with all your support supps of Epi is more then acceptable and probally gonna bring you absolutely awesome gains! as for your teremifene id not run it 120mg for a week straight.. a few days will suffice then a week @ 90 and then 60 for the majority of the rest of your pct... if you feel its necessary by week 4 you could brake it down to 30mg and taper off low and slow.... let me suggest you try out Xlean though since you havnt bought any of those supps yet, its the best cort blocker out now and will bring more benifits then just blocking cortisol like inhanced immune system and it a nutural anti inflammatory and will help keep you joints feeling better tehn your typical joint drying cort blocker.

make sure to get your entire pct supps together and ordered AND received before you start.. sucks trying to scramble to have something that important at the last second and make sure to give your hand plenty of time to heal properly since this ccle will bring loads of strength and youll have to be able to support all that new weight :D gl man looks like a solid plan :thumbsup:
 
well well well

Poopy pants....I am really glad you responded. I read your log front to back, all I can say is........wow

You blew up like the Hindenburg (but didn't crash and burn in a ball of flaming wreakage) during your cycle! You know, I read a little about X-Lean before, but didn't follow up on it. I didn't know it was anti-inflammatory and pro immune.....

Ok....Before this edit, I posted that I could only find X-Lean for $45....scratch that, N-Planet carries it for $23.50! I just wasn't looking hard enough. Is there anything you would recommend over Rebound??? I know it's very helpful in balancing out Test Levels, but, is there anything you've seen in your experience that would run better?

Oh, I definitely will not start until I have everything ready for the whole cycle. It's like heating up spaghetti sauce before looking for the pasta in the fridge...not a smart idea. Thanks...

Also, are you still looking for X-Dream beta testers (your Sig)??
 
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i think all the bta testing is finished just need to update my sig... but keep your eyes peeled in this forum for contests and product release notices... always a chance of winnin somethin... BUT xdreams is up at NP right now and def worth it... sleep like a rock right now and dream the whoole damn night with crazy realistic dreams then wake up ready to go... :thumbsup::thumbsup: from me.... as for the rebound.... i think its great and used it and bulk ATD caps too many times with success but the libido always takes a hit form it... i personally think either pct from AX or Hyperdrol X2 (i prefer the later) would be a good choice for an alternative AI as 6-Bromo is a great AI And actually boosted my libido along side with toremifene..... wih was tough to do with how it was doin on Epi.
 
I wouldn't go lower than 30mg for the epistane, and wouldn't go to 100mg with the ATD as it will crush your libido, 75mg is more than enough. As for the Paravol 3 caps day i believe is the standard dose.
 
Ok... so 10-20-30-40/40/40/40/40/40 for Epi and
75/50/25/25....for Rebound?

I was also thinking of dropping paravol and fenugreek for Maca and Tribulius (spelling?)....What do you recommend to boost my drive? I'm still a little sketchy with Paravol...for 30 bones, I've heard some reviews that say it was crap and some have had really good results. I usually don't mess with a product that isn't like 9 out of 10 recommended. Is it worth the money or are there better alternatives??

Also, what other purposes does DHEA hold? I know it's a natural hormone and is suppose to help with lethargy, right? I haven't bought any of my post cycle therapy supps or my support supps (except protein, creatine, and liver detox & regenerator) and am going to do more research before I buy them obviously. I don't put things in my body until I know what will happen when I do.

Poopy - Wouldn't taking Hyperdrol during a post cycle therapy be a bad idea? Isn't it a PH, there by causing further shut down??

Lastly, Milk Thistle....I've heard claims that it can inhibit strength during a cycle...I was recommended NAC during and Milk Thistle after, but to always keep Milk Thistle on hand in case I need it). Is this by any means true of was I fed a pile of dook?

Thanks
 
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hyperdrol is an aromatase inhibitor, not a PH. it will block the translation of test to estrogen, lowering est levels while elevating test levels. so no post cycle therapy required, it's what you use in a typical post cycle therapy to offset the spike in post cycle estrogen. run that inversely to your SERM.

also, i'd stick with paravol if you want a good libido enhancer. i've heard it does wonders. my buddy is on it and loves it haha. paravol contains tribulus anyway.
i'd also go for another natty test boost, like Mass FX, JW or ActivaTe Xtreme to further expedite the restabilization of natural test.
 
beebab said:
hyperdrol is an aromatase inhibitor, not a PH. it will block the translation of test to estrogen, lowering est levels while elevating test levels. so no post cycle therapy required, it's what you use in a typical post cycle therapy to offset the spike in post cycle estrogen. run that inversely to your SERM.

also, i'd stick with paravol if you want a good libido enhancer. i've heard it does wonders. my buddy is on it and loves it haha. paravol contains tribulus anyway.
i'd also go for another natty test boost, like Mass FX, JW or ActivaTe Xtreme to further expedite the restabilization of natural test.
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exactly.

as for the milk thistle it wont effect YOUR strength but possibly the strength of the supplements your takingive never ehard of anything different. with epi its not necessarily the most toxic methyl in fact its VERY mild and you could get away with holding off till post cycle therapy to administer any liver supps.... actually id start round week 5 since you are running it a lil longer but just make sure to take it seperate from your epi doses so it wont effect absorbtion... id take a majority of your epi all before 6 pm and then take your liver supps in the evening. this will help with keeping supression to a minimum as well.
 
snakeoil said:
Got a ?? about what to stack epistane with? Do u think Mass fx is a good stack? any suggestions?
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not to be rude but i suggest you read some more before asking questions... ya you could stack the 2 but it wouldnt be a very efficient stack in comparison to what else is out there... do some more research on each individual compound first and when your supposed to take them and then get back to us... also look up the MANY MANY logs out here about epi and see what others stacked it with for a good idea. gl bro.
 
Ok...
I got my workout and diet figured out at BN....
So something like this for post cycle therapy:

Fareston (Toremifene Citrate) 90/60/30/30....
Hyperdrol X2 20/40/60/80.... (Is that a good dosage or to much at the end?)
X-Lean 2x Daily
Paravol 3x Daily
Maca Max Dosage

That has an SERM, AI, ATD, and Labido kickers.....for a mild Methyl, even at 6 weeks, would i really need another test booster or would I be spending extra money for this cycle??

I didn't look at the difference between Hyperdrol and Rebound....Hyperdrol, you get twice the caps for $10 more. Sounds like a good bargain, I liked the reviews for Hyperdrol and originally was going to stack it with Epi...but since it's my first cycle, I want to see how I'll react to a single Hormone booster before adding others.
 
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i just ordered all my stuff today to start a 5 week cycle of epi! good choice duck.

i'm not sure what your 20/40/60/80 on the HX2 is in reference too...but i'm going to be running my HX2 in PCT like this:
wk 1 = 2caps/d
wk 2 = 2caps/d
wk 3 = 3caps/d
wk 4 = 3caps/d
wk 5 = 4caps/d
wk 6 = 4caps/d

just advice brotha...im not a genius on this stuff, i only supplied this info because poop and a couple other big names around here helped me out with pinning down this cycle and my PCT
 
liftitbig85 said:
i just ordered all my stuff today to start a 5 week cycle of epi! good choice duck.

i'm not sure what your 20/40/60/80 on the HX2 is in reference too...but i'm going to be running my HX2 in post cycle therapy like this:
wk 1 = 2caps/d
wk 2 = 2caps/d
wk 3 = 3caps/d
wk 4 = 3caps/d
wk 5 = 4caps/d
wk 6 = 4caps/d

just advice brotha...im not a genius on this stuff, i only supplied this info because poop and a couple other big names around here helped me out with pinning down this cycle and my PCT
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wait wait....poops is a big name?..hahaha...jk
 
Flip the rebound dosage. Run it inversely to the SERM. Meaning start with the lowest dosage in week 1 and work your way up. You don't need that much of an AI blocker that early on, it will destroy your libido. I think someone mentioned that 100mg of rebound is too much and they are definitely right. I never got a libido boost from ATD, although I did from 6-bromo.
 
There he is!

D - Well I decided to not go with Rebound...I changed that to X-Lean and Hyperdrol X2 instead of Retain2 and ReboundXT. I liked X-lean better all along, I was just looking at the wrong place to buy it...it seemed to expensive, but at Planet N, it's where I wanted it to be priced. Also, I decided to run with Maca instead of Fenugreek.
READ THIS-----
"Fenugreek seed is widely used as a galactagogue (milk producing agent) by nursing mothers to increase inadequate breast milk supply." - Wiki

don't wanna risk anything....no good

LiftItBig - I mean as far as milligrams go....smaller capsule's are usually around 10mg each....so taking them 20/40/60/80 is like taking 2 the first week, 4 the second, 6 the third and so on.....but, I haven't looked for the dosage yet. I just figured that since we were on the subject that I would ask!

So.....you think I should be running 2xday for 2 weeks, 3xday for 2 weeks, and 4xday for 2 weeks (minus 1 1/2 days, that adds up to 126caps over 6 weeks)?????
 
ducktoe69x said:
Ok...
I liked the reviews for Hyperdrol and originally was going to stack it with Epi...but since it's my first cycle, I want to see how I'll react to a single Hormone booster before adding others.
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you pct plans look pretty good man... with the HDX2 LB5's lay out is a good dosing scheme starting low and mocving upwards... id suggest it over rebound any day.

but this above jsut so you know epi is NOT a hormone booster... its a homrone substitute or steroid if you will and therefore will cause your body to actually lower hormone production not boost it.... but will still be better overall as the synthetic hormone(epi) your taking is stronger then test anyhow. As for taking HDX2 with it.... well it would be ok if you were pulsing or something and were trying to keep shutdown to a minimum but otherwise you wont need to really stack anything with Epi and should save all those types of supps for pct to make sure everything gets back to equalibrium.
 
poopypants said:
you post cycle therapy plans look pretty good man... with the HDX2 LB5's lay out is a good dosing scheme starting low and mocving upwards... id suggest it over rebound any day.

but this above jsut so you know epi is NOT a hormone booster... its a homrone substitute or steroid if you will and therefore will cause your body to actually lower hormone production not boost it.... but will still be better overall as the synthetic hormone(epi) your taking is stronger then test anyhow. As for taking HDX2 with it.... well it would be ok if you were pulsing or something and were trying to keep shutdown to a minimum but otherwise you wont need to really stack anything with Epi and should save all those types of supps for post cycle therapy to make sure everything gets back to equalibrium.
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I already knew that....I was saying originally before I knew about any PH or supplements. I have been doing a lot of research lately and am learning quite a bit. There is about 10 Billion things to learn with nutrition, supplements, diet, and exercising. The reason I decided to not run with that is because I read a few logs where people used Retain2 & RXT with great results. I like to use a tried and tested method, so I figure do with what ya know! I read someone running HX2 as a stand alone and the end was pretty great. It's quite a bit cheaper in the long run too.

Like I was saying before, I decided that I wanted to just run with Epistane as a stand alone because people were getting amazing results. I don't want to get really big, really fast. My fiancee isn't attracted to muscular guys at all, so I'm only gonna go so far with weight gain anyways. Gotta keep her "butter churning" first and foremost...I just want to get to around 200 and be in great physical condition.
 
Best of luck but I only wanted to get to 200 at one time also :D
 
ducktoe69x said:
I don't want to get really big, really fast. My fiancee isn't attracted to muscular guys at all, so I'm only gonna go so far with weight gain anyways. Gotta keep her "butter churning" first and foremost...I just want to get to around 200 and be in great physical condition.
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maybe you should try something different than epi? i just spent over $400 to nail down my cycle to the "T" and am ready for pretty much anything that comes my way...but i'm also expecting (wanting) to put on 15-25 lbs. i ran a hx2/mfx/r2 stack for 8 weeks and gained CRAZY strength and put on a decent amount of size. i think i gained 9 lbs or something like that. with all the logs, reviews, and research that i've done- it seems almost impossible not to "get really big, really fast" unless your diet just isn't right. not saying epi isn't safe- but i think there is alot "safer", easier, cheaper ways to gain solid strength and mass than going PH....just my $.02
 
Well I already got two bots of Epistane, and. But, I've heard "I only wanted to grow this much, but kept going...." from a lot of people. I love my fiancee a whole lot more than my own physique. If she only wants me going so far, than I'm going to do so. Gotta look good for the only person who will see me naked (except the occasional streaking and mooning) from now on; if she doesn't like what she sees, than it's no good for me.

I appreciate your concerns, but I made the decision to try "alternative" methods long before I started looking for ways to do it. It's more of a self confidence thing for me rather than a bodybuilding experience. I planned this cycle also to be as
1) safe as possible
2) health-friendly as possible
3) then for strength and mass
---in that order. Believe me, it's costing me $383 and I've done lots and lots of research to figure out the best methods and plans to run. With my broken hand, I've been home at the computer a lot...can't lift at my job, so I can't work. I've been looking at everything from herbal remedies, to weight loss, to sexual stims. For most of my life, I've been weak and it effects my confidence. I want to have some added help to reach my goals and protein shakes and creatine just aren't getting me where I want to be fast enough. But, thank you for your view! I do plan to run with some more natural/herbal alternatives in the future, FYI. For now, I'm gonna see how this goes for me! :thumbsup:

Mmowry - well no offense, but I'm not you...you might have kept going with body building more than you planned, but I've learned to set limits for myself and am very strict on keeping myself within those limits. When I was in High School, I got into some stuff I shouldn't have been getting into and didn't set limits. I was killing myself because I didn't know any different. Well, I've grown a lot since then and have a better grasp on life. I understand that most things are good in moderation and some things need to have limits set so you don't overdo it, know what I mean?? Plus, I'm only doing it to look more attractive to my girlfriend and be a stronger (I work 2 labor jobs till I'm out of college next summer), not to go to competition. It's all in how you take things my friend!!!! :gas:
 
No offense taken but you may have taken things too seriously take notice to the :D (Implies joke/funny).


Anyhow good luck Im sure you will be very pleased with the product.
 
Wow....I just reread what I posted earlier....I can come across like a real dickhead sometimes. Hahahaha, my fault. I dunno, I guess I'm just anxious about everything (personal life, cast on my hand, wanting to workout but can't......)

Thanks for all the advice...I plan to leave a log when I run the cycle, but I won't fill it with useless information...just the basic facts that people want to hear so it doesn't take 3 hours to read 10mins of material (without all the other crap thrown in).

Peace!!!!!!
 
ducktoe69x said:
Wow....I just reread what I posted earlier....I can come across like a real dickhead sometimes. Hahahaha, my fault. I dunno, I guess I'm just anxious about everything (personal life, cast on my hand, wanting to workout but can't......)

Thanks for all the advice...I plan to leave a log when I run the cycle, but I won't fill it with useless information...just the basic facts that people want to hear so it doesn't take 3 hours to read 10mins of material (without all the other crap thrown in).

Peace!!!!!!
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Looking forward to it! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
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