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Best prohormone to gain mass with?

diego

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Guys,

I am not sure about it, but which prohormone do you recommand to gain mass (with less side effects of course).

I was thinking to use Bold, Halodrol or Havoc but I don't know what's the best product.

Let me know someting!

Thanks!
 
Pheraplex was good and alot swear by superdrol.

the three you listed are more "lean gains".

hope that helped a little.
 
Yes, I know Superdrol, but the side effects are large I heard.

I can use Havoc in stead of that otherwise....
 
phera plex is mild but adds mass, weight & strength.

At least the original AX PheraPlex did.....

Ive never tried Halodrol or Havoc yet so i couldnt say but people dont seem to gain more than 10lbs on those and even that is somewhat a stretch.
 
PP would be a good choice, big mass gains with less sides than superdrol
 
diego said:
Yes, I know Superdrol, but the side effects are large I heard.

I can use Havoc in stead of that otherwise....
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You can't, unfortunately, be sure of how it will effect you untill you try it. I have had almost zero sides (with the exception of lethargy) on my latest Superdrol cycle, but I know it totally wrecks some people.
 
i packed on exactly 20lbs with havoc, the stuff is no joke i develivered mass gains similiar to m1t for me, although not the same "quality".
 
jomi822 said:
i packed on exactly 20lbs with havoc, the stuff is no joke i develivered mass gains similiar to m1t for me, although not the same "quality".
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Question is though "how was your post cycle therapy?" !!! I hope it was flawless :P <:Dpersonal dig :D>
 
Formula94 said:
Pretty sure original phera plex was dosed at 10mg a pop.
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you would be correct sir

i just got some CEL P-Plex myself, going to try it out soon, i'll let everyone know how it goes
 
with a little igf-1 lr3 in the mix everyone can have a nice happy pct. and maybe gain a pound of two of pure muscle.
 
I heard on another forum that Methyl XT puts on mass, and alot of strength! I got a bottle waiting for me in the fall or winter!
 
jerz912 said:
I heard on another forum that Methyl XT puts on mass, and alot of strength! I got a bottle waiting for me in the fall or winter!
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I may be wrong but i thought methyl XT is a M1T clone, i wouldnt use that myself

edit Alright i read that Methyl XT is a Methyl 1-Alpha clon
 
I'm going for the methyl xt also. Its not a clone of m1t though. It says in the write up to compare to methy 1ad. So it sounds as it is a prohormone so it needs to convert into a target hormone to be active. m1t is a straight up steroid and needs no conversion.
 
Jstrong20 said:
I'm going for the methyl xt also. Its not a clone of m1t though. It says in the write up to compare to methy 1ad. So it sounds as it is a prohormone so it needs to convert into a target hormone to be active. m1t is a straight up steroid and needs no conversion.
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I've heard M1A gives almost the same results as m1t. Huge gains but bad sides. I remember someone had blood drawn right after an M1A cycle and the results were scary.
 
Strategic said:
I've heard M1A gives almost the same results as m1t. Huge gains but bad sides. I remember someone had blood drawn right after an M1A cycle and the results were scary.
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Yeah I'm not surprised. It seems most that know of the product recommend no more than 3 weeks.
 
AX's original PP gave me sick gains size wise. I think my parents response after seeing me before and then not again until after cycle was "WTF happened? You look like Hulk Hogan". I've also used AX's Superdrol and only gained a few lean pounds and not a terrible amount of strength. I'd say PP all the way if the newer producers are as good as AX's original.
 
Nabisco said:
AX's original PP gave me sick gains size wise. I think my parents response after seeing me before and then not again until after cycle was "WTF happened? You look like Hulk Hogan". I've also used AX's Superdrol and only gained a few lean pounds and not a terrible amount of strength. I'd say PP all the way if the newer producers are as good as AX's original.
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im with you on this one. the original gave me some very nice keepable gains, strength and focus was very enjoyable. Now when i did a clone i didnt get as good effects. Even the superdrol clone i was not impressed with.
 
jomi822 said:
i packed on exactly 20lbs with havoc, the stuff is no joke i develivered mass gains similiar to m1t for me, although not the same "quality".
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Hey Jomi, you say that they weren't the same "quality" as m1t gains..... are you saying that they weren't as dry and maybe came with a little bloat or fat or what? Just curious as I'm about to start my Epi stack in about another week as soon as I finish my liver supps preload. Also, what dosage were u running and for how long ?
 
Topfueljunkie said:
Hey Jomi, you say that they weren't the same "quality" as m1t gains..... are you saying that they weren't as dry and maybe came with a little bloat or fat or what? Just curious as I'm about to start my Epi stack in about another week as soon as I finish my liver supps preload. Also, what dosage were u running and for how long ?
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havoc gains were accompanied with both water weight and fat gain, not very solid at all.

30mgs a day for 28 days.
 
jomi822 said:
havoc gains were accompanied with both water weight and fat gain, not very solid at all.

30mgs a day for 28 days.
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Hmmm, that's interesting since everything I've read thus far seems to indicate that the gains are very lean and dry. Hell, it's KNOWN for its gyno reducing, anti-e properties so I'm kinda surprised you had the water retention issue. I'm gonna assume your diet was fairly clean so you can reasonably attribute this to havoc and not your diet?

Diego, I haven't tried this yet, was JUST about to in about a week but I might save it for a cut down the road and run with xs muscle EQ-T2 instead for the bulk cycle.
 
Topfueljunkie said:
Hmmm, that's interesting since everything I've read thus far seems to indicate that the gains are very lean and dry. Hell, it's KNOWN for its gyno reducing, anti-e properties so I'm kinda surprised you had the water retention issue. I'm gonna assume your diet was fairly clean so you can reasonably attribute this to havoc and not your diet?

Diego, I haven't tried this yet, was JUST about to in about a week but I might save it for a cut down the road and run with xs muscle EQ-T2 instead for the bulk cycle.
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i was actually using havoc soley for the purpose of testing its gyno reducing/estrogen controlling abilites. it crapped out before the 500mgs of test E (it takes more than this to maintain my current weight) i was using it with even kicked in.
 
pistonpump said:
im with you on this one. the original gave me some very nice keepable gains, strength and focus was very enjoyable. Now when i did a clone i didnt get as good effects. Even the superdrol clone i was not impressed with.
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PP, if you don't mind me asking, which clones did you use?
 
You can still buy AX's Original Pheraplex. Its not crazy expensive, if you search hard enough you can find it for $50-60. I'd trust their product more than any clone, just because of my results before.
 
scorpiond said:
PP, if you don't mind me asking, which clones did you use?
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i did AX phera 10mg/GenericLabz PheraMax15mg/20mg PP/10mgPP, 15mgPM/ 30mg PM.....this was my first cycle in a long time and i made real nice gains with this combo.....later to find out PheraMax is an ergoMax clone.

so i didnt know it was an ergo clone and did a second cycle of just PheraMax, gains werent much at all and i believe 30mg was not enough. I dont know tho maybe it is just building a tolerance to the compound. I have seen alot of people's second phera cycles not be as successful and doses raised past 45mg.
 
pistonpump said:
i did AX phera 10mg/GenericLabz PheraMax15mg/20mg PP/10mgPP, 15mgPM/ 30mg PM.....this was my first cycle in a long time and i made real nice gains with this combo.....later to find out PheraMax is an ergoMax clone.

so i didnt know it was an ergo clone and did a second cycle of just PheraMax, gains werent much at all and i believe 30mg was not enough. I dont know tho maybe it is just building a tolerance to the compound. I have seen alot of people's second phera cycles not be as successful and doses raised past 45mg.
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Thanks bro
 
i have heard the old bottle of methyl xt legit and the new one is bunk from what people say.

although the compound and doses are exactly the same.

i have the new bottle and the lot # is 70125 and exp date is 07 10.

anyone tried the new or old bottle? need some help if the new bottle is legit also?
 
I was wondering how good it Phera?
-Side wise.Is it milder than SD?Does it have more sides than Epi?
-With Epi we dont have estro convertion so usually no gyno.Id it the same with Phera?
-Can it be pulsed?:D
-For how long do you usually run it?
 
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