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Equipoise/Bold

UNCfan1

UNCfan1

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Ok I know there was a crazy discussion on this but I really didn't get into that thread.

So my question is injectable Equipoise is slow acting correct? Bold is slow acting correct? Both say to use to use 600mg. Now from what I gathered users of Bold hasn't had problems with shutdown but users of equipoise do and need to run Test with it.

The 1-2 double bond that Equipoise has is responsible for many of its characteristics. First of all, it acts to slow aromatization (conversion into estrogen). The best estimate is that it does so at roughly half the rate of testosterone (1). This is the best number I´ve found in studies. Athletes almost never report estrogenic side effects with Equipoise, even when the dose is up to a gram per week. Side effects caused by estrogen include oily skin, acne, and gynocomastia, and as I said, those are usually not found from Equipoise.

I read this so estrogen sides shouldn't be a concern.

What would be needed to run with Bold to prevent shutdown occuring during cycle? How long would one run Bold? 6-8 weeks?

AM vets needed.
 
UNCfan1 said:
Ok I know there was a crazy discussion on this but I really didn't get into that thread.

So my question is injectable Equipoise is slow acting correct? Bold is slow acting correct? Both say to use to use 600mg. Now from what I gathered users of Bold hasn't had problems with shutdown but users of equipoise do and need to run Test with it.

The 1-2 double bond that Equipoise has is responsible for many of its characteristics. First of all, it acts to slow aromatization (conversion into estrogen). The best estimate is that it does so at roughly half the rate of testosterone (1). This is the best number I´ve found in studies. Athletes almost never report estrogenic side effects with Equipoise, even when the dose is up to a gram per week. Side effects caused by estrogen include oily skin, acne, and gynocomastia, and as I said, those are usually not found from Equipoise.

I read this so estrogen sides shouldn't be a concern.

What would be needed to run with Bold to prevent shutdown occuring during cycle? How long would one run Bold? 6-8 weeks?

AM vets needed.
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equipose is boldenone undecylenate

the undecylenate is almost as long as the undecoanate ester, so it is indeed very slow acting. 6-8 weeks is about how long equipose takes to show its full effect.

there is no way to avoid supression entirely on ANY steroid. boldenone is half as androgenic as testosterone, so avoiding supression on this substance is unlikely to say the least.

it should be run at 400-800mgs a week for 12 weeks at the very least, and 15 if you really want to be serious about things. post cycle therapy starts 3 weeks after the last shot.

personally i saw more water retention and side effects from 750mgs of EQ a week than from 900mgs of deca a week. namely..estrogen and polycythemia related effects.

second, i wouldnt run eq without testosterone, though eq would be a nice candidate to run on a standalone. its about as mild as it gets, next to primo that is.
 
What should I run with Bold the PH thats what I meant when I typed in Bold sorry for any confusion. Since the PH is methylated and running it for 6-8 weeks I would say running another methyl is out of the question unless I pulsed it. So to combat the potential shutdown what should I run with it?

After reading the postive effects of Equi I want to try it out with the PH version.
 
UNCfan1 said:
What should I run with Bold the PH thats what I meant when I typed in Bold sorry for any confusion. Since the PH is methylated and running it for 6-8 weeks I would say running another methyl is out of the question unless I pulsed it. So to combat the potential shutdown what should I run with it?

After reading the postive effects of Equi I want to try it out with the PH version.
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I believe BOLD, the PH, is not methylated, which is the reason one can run it for 8, rather than 4 weeks.
 
EQ and dbol have almost identical chemical structures, the difference being the methylization which changes the compound immensely. Just a little FYI
 
so in this case its a boldenone prohormone and a boldenone undecylenate will this be really worth while to run the BOLD at the same time? would this, being a weaker unmethlylated prohormone, even be kicker to run before the equipoise besides the fact it should bring similar effects? wouldnt it be better to get a stronger supp to kick start this kind of cycle or are you looking for a more mild cycle start?
 
poopypants said:
so in this case its a boldenone prohormone and a boldenone undecylenate will this be really worth while to run the BOLD at the same time? would this, being a weaker unmethlylated prohormone, even be kicker to run before the equipoise besides the fact it should bring similar effects? wouldnt it be better to get a stronger supp to kick start this kind of cycle or are you looking for a more mild cycle start?
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I believe he was comparing the two but he doesnt intend to use the injectable version of boldenone just the OTC BOLD.

UNC, they are essentially not the same compound. Even if BOLD converts to boldenone this doesnt mean the effects would be exactly the same as boldenone itself. THis i believe Rodja was gettin at. It has been reported as very similiar to EQ, but with EQ, it has slower effects because of the undecylenate ester. BOLD would theoritically be boldenone without ester. Minor changes to the target hormone can change effects entirely...

With that being said, when you take any hormonal product/substance you will have your share of suppression or shutdown its part of the game. While i agree the shutdown from a product like BOLD would not be as bad as superdrol or m1t etc but you will still get it. Pheraplex is a testosterone derivative i believe so if you wanted to somewhat run a cycle with BOLD how others use EQ i would suggest that compound. jmo. hope that cleared things up a bit.
 
Yeah I was comparing the 2 wondering if it worh it. I think I will give it a try and run it with some Epi.

Thanks guys.
 
i've kickstarted an EQ cycle with 1,4ad before. works well, and kicks in quick (if you know what boldenone "kick-in" is)
 
So I would have better results kick starting the oral Bold?

What do u think would be the best kick starter from what I have. Ergo, SD, Tren or Epi/Methyl-E?

Pistion Pump likes Phera.
 
UNCfan1 said:
So I would have better results kick starting the oral Bold?

What do u think would be the best kick starter from what I have. Ergo, superdrol, Tren or Epi/Methyl-E?

Pistion Pump likes Phera.
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Everyone has made great points so far, I think the term on the tip of everybody's tongue was Suppression? Anyways, IMO an epithio clone stacked with BOLD would be great. Phera/Bold seems similar to running a test/eq run, well as close as possible without aiming for the real deal. Bro, I think you're better off in the injectable world.
 
pistonpump said:
I believe he was comparing the two but he doesnt intend to use the injectable version of boldenone just the OTC BOLD.

UNC, they are essentially not the same compound. Even if BOLD converts to boldenone this doesnt mean the effects would be exactly the same as boldenone itself. THis i believe Rodja was gettin at. It has been reported as very similiar to EQ, but with EQ, it has slower effects because of the undecylenate ester. BOLD would theoritically be boldenone without ester. Minor changes to the target hormone can change effects entirely...

With that being said, when you take any hormonal product/substance you will have your share of suppression or shutdown its part of the game. While i agree the shutdown from a product like BOLD would not be as bad as superdrol or m1t etc but you will still get it. Pheraplex is a testosterone derivative i believe so if you wanted to somewhat run a cycle with BOLD how others use EQ i would suggest that compound. jmo. hope that cleared things up a bit.
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Good post, Ive been wanting to get into the phera bold world, but alas Ill have to wait till winter. I ran m14add and bold standalone. Great cycle, simple, low sides, good gains. Might look into that one as well. Bold 200 (I force's new version) should lessen the price a bit so the cycle doesnt break the bank like a typical 8 week of bold used to...
 
RisingAgainst said:
Everyone has made great points so far, I think the term on the tip of everybody's tongue was Suppression? Anyways, IMO an epithio clone stacked with BOLD would be great. Phera/Bold seems similar to running a test/eq run, well as close as possible without aiming for the real deal. Bro, I think you're better off in the injectable world.
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Thats what im sayin.... he was refering to TEST/EQ runs so i figured if you want to do that then phera/bold would be a good substitute imo BUT i think epi and bold would be a sick cut, vascular, lean cycle. Get the juice and stick yourself! lol. j/p
 
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