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3ad - It's Official..........

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kwyckemynd00 said:
4AD just was a diol derivative of testosterone (two alcohols, one at the 17b position and one at the 3 position whereas test has a n alcohol at the 17b position and a ketone at the 3 position).

So the alcohol at the 3 position was reduced to a ketone so, it went from C-OH to C=O and became testosterone. 4AD was pretty active in itself, and that's why it worked so well in transdermal solutions, not because it was oxidized into testosterone. 4AD is to Test as 1AD is to 1-Test in this regard.

This talk about "pro-steroid, pro-hormone" etc is all kind of silly, honestly. Pretty much anything that is an androstane derivative is technically a steroid, including DHEA and other PH's, etc.

Here is androstane, and it is numbered so that you can see the positions (1,2,3,4,etc) that the nomenclature on the back of your bottle is referring to.

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Now go look up testosterone and the structures of other steroids, and even DHEA, estrogen, cortisone, etc. You'll see why they're all considered "steroids".

Notice where it says 17. alpha (a) and beta (b) are just stereochemical descriptions positions of the substituents, so don't worry "too much" about that when I mention it. The 17b alcohol is important (I don't know why, but its very important for AAS). If you don't "protect it" it will be reduced (proton "H" removed) to a ketone. Adding the 17 alpha alkyl group (in our case, this alkyl group is a methyl -CH3) pretty much eliminates the opportunity for the -OH to be reduced to a ketone because its hard as hell to make alkanes (like -CH3, aka methyl) "leave".

1AD itself may not have been that potent, but because its 3 position alcohol could be easily reduced to a known compound (1-Test where the 3 position has a ketone) that's probably why they called it a prohormone, because its target hormone was the one that's doing the leg-work.

If 3AD is active on its own or not isn't really a factor in if its considered a steroid. By default, its a steroid. Whether or not it is potent in its form, and if it is, whether or not it quickly is metabolized into other things are the important parts.

Its definitely not a common precursor to anything I've seen off of the top of my head if the structure of 3AD is what I think it is.
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So, what do you think it is, that being said? And do you think it will be as effective as expected?
 
Its a steroid, but so are lots of things.

And, I have no idea if it will be as effective as they say it will be based off of the structure because I just don't know much of anything about that stuff. But, they must think it is enough to hype it pretty good, so I'll take their word for it :D
 
BigSmith said:
As our stages in the patent progress we will get the structure out. THIS WILL be the biggest product we have sold, and possibly ever will release.
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I'm starting to think that 3AD isn't just simply what I'm think it is. If they're not releasing anything because of patent progress and they don't want anyone to know the structure, they wouldn't simply call it 3AD if we can assume the AD shorthand for 3AD would be the same is it were for 1AD. That would take a whopping 15 seconds for someone with a little chem background to figure out.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
I'm starting to think that 3AD isn't just simply what I'm think it is. If they're not releasing anything because of patent progress and they don't want anyone to know the structure, they wouldn't simply call it 3AD if we can assume the AD shorthand for 3AD would be the same is it were for 1AD. That would take a whopping 15 seconds for someone with a little chem background to figure out.
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can i just say i cant wait for the actual write up again???? lol.
 
Reps

buffhunk29 said:
Yes I Love It!! Poopy You Get Mad Reps!!!
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I alway try to give the Poopster reps... just have to keep spreading them around...
 
macedaddy said:
WRONG COMPANY!

go have some more Fizogen..........THIS stuff is too powerfull for YOU! :duel:
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I assumed it would be obvious to all that it was a joke, since everyone knows who makes The Strap, and it's pretty much a running joke in all forums. I probably shouldn't have assumed that most folks have a good sense of humor. ;-)

But while we're on wrong brands...Powerfull is made by USP labs. I believe you meant powerful, not powerfull, though.
 
macedaddy said:
hmmmmmm..............

DID I?

:toofunny:
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Well, I figure you either referred to USP's Powerfull pretty far out of context or you just misspelled powerful. Either way, no harm, no foul. You took a jab and I returned one.

I couldn't resist the pointing out the irony of you saying "wrong brand" in the same breath as "powerfull". On a lighter and more relevent note, your upcoming product does look very interesting and I wish you guys luck w/ it.
 
hey no problem!

but as there ARE some doubters in here, i wasn't quite sure of your intention.............

but seeing as it was in jest, ALL IS GOOD! :thumbsup:
 
what are you guys "SUBSCRIBING" to? U think there is any information in here? :toofunny:

lets see:

how about that "Advanced P.C.T." will be out in about 3 weeks!

good info?
 
oh, that info was the 10 tester spots for AM and the PCT info which is DESIGNED for this product........

its a TOTAL SOLUTION! :thumbsup:
 
macedaddy said:
oh, that info was the 10 tester spots for AM and the post cycle therapy info which is DESIGNED for this product........

its a TOTAL SOLUTION! :thumbsup:
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I don't know about that. I remember when rebound xt first came out. People were saying they could use just that for PCT and there wasn't a need for Nolva or a SERM. Now it seems everyone is SERM crazy and thinks you can't just use RR or RXT for pct. Then they think they need 5 other different supps for pct also....To me though I think its just ridiculous. Its extremely overkill. Years ago people would just use either 6oxo from Ergopharm or use Nolva. Then people seemed to think they needed something elese added. So they would use Rebound XT and Nolva. Then they needed more!. So they added an anti-cortisol product!. Then more....Fenugreek...More!...More!....More!...I'm willing to give your P.C.T. product a chance. I really don't know how others feel....
 
Do you only need to take PCT advanced with 3-ad because it's just so darned powerful or because 3-ad doesn't cause severe shutdown? I'll probably be staking 3-ad with Havoc or another methyl like PP so i'm guessing PCT advanced wont be enough?.....
 
leetuser said:
Do you only need to take post cycle therapy advanced with 3-ad because it's just so darned powerful or because 3-ad doesn't cause severe shutdown? I'll probably be staking 3-ad with Havoc or another methyl like PP so i'm guessing PCT advanced wont be enough?.....
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But, but, but - shutdown is shutdown. :think:

I'm sure they are putting out the new PCT product to fill a void in the market.

I doubt 3-AD is all that different of a molecule that Nolva or toremifene would be sufficient (think Superdrol - a new PCT substance wasn't needed for it, was it?).
I'd consider torem if I were running your havoc/3-AD stack - maybe add the new AX PCT. Or MassFX (which is what I'm gonna do :woohoo: ).
 
jmh80 said:
But, but, but - shutdown is shutdown. :think:

I'm sure they are putting out the new post cycle therapy product to fill a void in the market.

I doubt 3-AD is all that different of a molecule that Nolva or toremifene would be sufficient (think Superdrol - a new PCT substance wasn't needed for it, was it?).
I'd consider torem if I were running your havoc/3-AD stack - maybe add the new AX PCT. Or MassFX (which is what I'm gonna do :woohoo: ).
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I refer you and Mace to my earlier post and welcome your thoughts.
 
T-Bone said:
I don't know about that. I remember when rebound xt first came out. People were saying they could use just that for post cycle therapy and there wasn't a need for Nolva or a SERM. Now it seems everyone is SERM crazy and thinks you can't just use RR or RXT for post cycle therapy. Then they think they need 5 other different supps for post cycle therapy also....To me though I think its just ridiculous. Its extremely overkill. Years ago people would just use either 6oxo from Ergopharm or use Nolva. Then people seemed to think they needed something elese added. So they would use Rebound XT and Nolva. Then they needed more!. So they added an anti-cortisol product!. Then more....Fenugreek...More!...More!....More!...I'm willing to give your P.C.T. product a chance. I really don't know how others feel....
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You have a point. LMR (LuvMuhRoids) has a sticky at our forum basically saying the same thing.
More isn't better with PCT.

I have migrated to the more is better that you mention though. I've not had any issues - other than draining my wallet.

In the end - this industry is built upon the consumer buying supps though. So more is always better.
Don't forget that.
 
a standard post cycle therapy protocol would be fine! probably overkill, but fine! you can do what you want.......

as details are released, you will understand better and i can't say much more than that! but we have specifically designed the new PCT product to be used as the only need AFTER a 3-AD cycle. But you can do ALL or as little as you want......

I see your point, T-Bone and agree with you to a point. I think as we get into more and more clones of products and learn more about them, isn't safer better? Wouldn't you rather take ALL necessary precautions? especially when people are doing 2 and 3 orals at a time? PLUS, there are SO many instances of delayed gyno, or gyno in general going around it seems! I would rather do a plan that is outlined in my journal than to be sorry later that i didn't!

But i am a relative newbie to the world of PHs as i am only on my second cycle!
 
macedaddy said:
a standard post cycle therapy protocol would be fine! probably overkill, but fine! you can do what you want.......

as details are released, you will understand better and i can't say much more than that! but we have specifically designed the new post cycle therapy product to be used as the only need AFTER a 3-AD cycle. But you can do ALL or as little as you want......

I see your point, T-Bone and agree with you to a point. I think as we get into more and more clones of products and learn more about them, isn't safer better? Wouldn't you rather take ALL necessary precautions? especially when people are doing 2 and 3 orals at a time? PLUS, there are SO many instances of delayed gyno, or gyno in general going around it seems! I would rather do a plan that is outlined in my journal than to be sorry later that i didn't!

But i am a relative newbie to the world of PHs as i am only on my second cycle!
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Nope, more isn't always better in my opinion. When I had the awful superdrol experience I was taking all the support supplements I could think of. That didn't turn out so well...I think that was part of the reason I ended up in the hospital...By the way, cycle support wasn't available at that time, and to my knowledge Anabolic Innovations wasn't formed yet. Instead I searched out my own support supplements. I seem to point everything towards that bad experience I had. What sticks in my mind is the doctor telling me "Taking one pill to counter effect the bad effects of another is pointless". Not exactly in those words as I don't remember and I'm not basing my thoughts on just that.


The thing about running a cycle is there is such a thing as too much..Too much of the drug, too many support supps, and also yes too much P.C.T. Think about it, the more pills you take the more your liver has to process. Not to mention their is extra stress put on your liver with a high protein diet. Keep your cycles simple. Don't add too much of anything. With all the oral products out today, I would really like to see your new product 3ad in a powder form some it can be used transdermally!!...
 
Tbone,
If you are ever going to run a bunch of supplements - there is probably no better time than during PCT.

You know as well as I do that it's a damn hard time emotionally. Your hormones are all over the place (early on), your strength is decreasing, libido might be down.

If I were ever going to run the kitchen sink - it would be in PCT to counter-act the run-down feeling that I feel after coming off the high of a PH cycle.
 
These last couple pages have been really great! I was always in the mind set that more in your PCT is aways better. Thanks...
 
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