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3ad - It's Official..........

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just wait till you guys see what i have cookin'.......................................................


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OH YEAH, look at the late-comer! you guys start paying homage to me and all of a sudden, sublime pops up! :toofunny:
 
ugh, man o man. now i gotta throw away all my pheradrol, superdrol, and superdrol clones :(

haha. gotta make room in the cupboard for 3AD
 
Heh heh... I found that on one of the million forums I visit a long time ago (can't remember which one, but not a lifting one). I bookmarked the site cause I knew it'd come in handy eventually :)
 
Chad said:
Why Is Island Listing 3ad Already?
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We have not told ANY retailers about 3-AD nor released any info..............(except Sam, I personally told Sam and Nutraplanet to be on the look-out for it) but that being said, it looks like things in the Internet World travel VERY fast!

so if the retailers are choosing to put it up, then they can, but you will see that they are offering less info than we are here..................
 
In time fellas...in time. You know this product will be what AX claims it to be... Why would they want to trash the hard work that they've come so far to accomplish with a bogus product? "The Hype/teaser" is one thing (like flirting with a hot chic [or guy depending on your preference "didn't want to leave anyone out"], you want to get in his/her pants, with us it’s sups.. you just want the freakin product)... You know AX always delivers!

Sorry for the babble… just a late/short morning. Trust me I want this as much as the rest of you!
 
MadJimF said:
How about a box set with 3-ad, new post cycle therapy, retain2 and a 3ad beenie all for 1 low low price of
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GREAT IDEA!!!

:think: But i know whatever my man Mace has cooking HAS TO BE AMAZING!!!(Buffs still playing the FLATTERY
 
So, just out curiosity...when you call it 3AD would the structure be the same as the shorthand nomenclature would leave me to believe it is? :D I'm not sure as I'm not too familiar with oxidation of vinyl alcohols, but it seems the 3ene would make it a little bit tough to oxidize the 3-ol to a 3-keto without a really rough oxidizing agent that would probably just have destroyed the C=C bond anyway.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
So, just out curiosity...when you call it 3AD would the structure be the same as the shorthand nomenclature would leave me to believe it is? :D I'm not sure as I'm not too familiar with oxidation of vinyl alcohols, but it seems the 3ene would make it a little bit tough to oxidize the 3-ol to a 3-keto without a really rough oxidizing agent that would probably just have destroyed the C=C bond anyway.
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Wow! Kwyckem - are you a chemist
 
no...just a kid in college who thinks he's learning a tiny bit. for all i know, that could sound totally stupid (really). Only reason I brought it up is because its the only thing that sticks out at me. I don't even know if there is an inherent advantage to keeping the 3-b ol vs a 3-one. I know there is an advantage at the 17b position alcohol, hence the need to 17a alkylate (methylate) substances to protect it from oxidation to 17one. But, I dunno about the 3 position.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
no...just a kid in college who thinks he's learning a tiny bit. for all i know, that could sound totally stupid (really).
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Well, I'll give you the "It sounded impressive"
 
well i have no clue what any of that ment but i dug this up cause i figured you might be able to speculate better if you werent trying to get it to do what you think 4-Ad did.... does that make sense?

BigSmith said:
3-AD is active in itself and does not convert. Its more of a PS yet I still see everyone identifying them as PH's in this industry so that is the term I used. Today the official writeup was completed.
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so it doesnt look like its the common precursor to a hormore (prohormone) and tech if its active in and of itself then wouldnt it be an all out steriod in its own right, not a ps???? well have to wait for the write up to see but theres some food for thought.
 
4AD just was a diol derivative of testosterone (two alcohols, one at the 17b position and one at the 3 position whereas test has a n alcohol at the 17b position and a ketone at the 3 position).

So the alcohol at the 3 position was reduced to a ketone so, it went from C-OH to C=O and became testosterone. 4AD was pretty active in itself, and that's why it worked so well in transdermal solutions, not because it was oxidized into testosterone. 4AD is to Test as 1AD is to 1-Test in this regard.

This talk about "pro-steroid, pro-hormone" etc is all kind of silly, honestly. Pretty much anything that is an androstane derivative is technically a steroid, including DHEA and other PH's, etc.

Here is androstane, and it is numbered so that you can see the positions (1,2,3,4,etc) that the nomenclature on the back of your bottle is referring to.

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Now go look up testosterone and the structures of other steroids, and even DHEA, estrogen, cortisone, etc. You'll see why they're all considered "steroids".

Notice where it says 17. alpha (a) and beta (b) are just stereochemical descriptions positions of the substituents, so don't worry "too much" about that when I mention it. The 17b alcohol is important (I don't know why, but its very important for AAS). If you don't "protect it" it will be reduced (proton "H" removed) to a ketone. Adding the 17 alpha alkyl group (in our case, this alkyl group is a methyl -CH3) pretty much eliminates the opportunity for the -OH to be reduced to a ketone because its hard as hell to make alkanes (like -CH3, aka methyl) "leave".

1AD itself may not have been that potent, but because its 3 position alcohol could be easily reduced to a known compound (1-Test where the 3 position has a ketone) that's probably why they called it a prohormone, because its target hormone was the one that's doing the leg-work.

If 3AD is active on its own or not isn't really a factor in if its considered a steroid. By default, its a steroid. Whether or not it is potent in its form, and if it is, whether or not it quickly is metabolized into other things are the important parts.

Its definitely not a common precursor to anything I've seen off of the top of my head if the structure of 3AD is what I think it is.
 
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Here is the structure of an cyclohexane ring in 3D.

Notice how some of the 'sticks' go out and some are up and down?

Those that are aligned outward are equitorial (alpha, a) and those that are aligned up and down are axial (beta, b). So when you see 17a-methyl that means you've got a methyl group arranged in an equitorial position at the 17th position of the androstane.
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
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Here is the structure of an alkane ring in 3D.

Notice how some of the 'sticks' go out and some are up and down?

Those that are aligned outward are equitorial (alpha, a) and those that are aligned up and down are axial (beta, b).
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my head hurts!:icon_lol:
 
Holy sh*t!

Chemistry on AM! The chair conformation!

Kwyck - I love you! I promise I'll stop my affair with Gimpy after those strong posts!
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jmh80 said:
Holy sh*t!

Chemistry on AM! The chair conformation!

Kwyck - I love you! I promise I'll stop my affair with Gimpy after those strong posts!
:dance:
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Go ahead, have your affair. The more you try to do her, the more she appreciates a real man's **** :D
 
pretty nifty! too bad i only understand half of it, i wish i could have a couple years of schoolin behind me right now instead of ahead of me. cant wait to take these courses though as i love chem and bio. org chem is gonna be off the hook but m sure itll be tough at the same time... its all good i got nothin but room up there:icon_lol:
 
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