Hemadrol and shrunken balls!

Reeve

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Hey,
was on a 4 week cycle of hemadrol before christmas. balls shrank a bit which i was expecting, but they are still pretty shrunken 3 months later. is there anything i can do?
wanting to go back on soon for another cycle but don't want them getting worse. thanks
 
Reeve said:
Hey,
was on a 4 week cycle of hemadrol before christmas. balls shrank a bit which i was expecting, but they are still pretty shrunken 3 months later. is there anything i can do?
wanting to go back on soon for another cycle but don't want them getting worse. thanks
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What did you use for post cycle??.
 
Yeah what they said.^^^^^^^^

Even if you did Id get a Serm and do it over again.Good luck!

Oh and Muira Puama extract works well also for adding fulness to the boys @2-3gm/day of the 10:1 for 2wks.
 
mmowry is right.....id do a serm all over again.....and add in something else to get the boys goin!!!....Paravol;)
 
Serms for Halo clones. Now Ive seen it all. I swear to god, I just loose faith in humans as a race when I see someone else post that a serm is necessary for a ph cycle, when a properly dosed AI works just as well if not better.

What you're talking about is typical HPTA shutdown symptoms. What other symptoms are you experiencing? Lethargy? Irritability?

What PCT did you run, if there even was one based on the fact you haven't regained normal status after a 4 week Hemadrol..

Look into a testosterone booster,(hypertest works fine) paravol will get the boys going again.
 
V00D00 said:
Serms for Halo clones. Now Ive seen it all. I swear to god, I just loose faith in humans as a race when I see someone else post that a serm is necessary for a ph cycle, when a properly dosed AI works just as well if not better.
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Many people on this board do not share that point of view at all. I can personally count off a handfull of people that have stuck with the AI/ATD only approach for an oral cycle PCT that have ended up not recovering sex drive, testicle size, etc.

Not to mention the effect that lowering you overall estrogen level with an AI will have on a person's already destroyed lipid panel, and the nice little effect of lowering the immune system as well.

Serms will always do the trick, you are taking a risk if you use only AI's.
 
jomi822 said:
Many people on this board do not share that point of view at all. I can personally count off a handfull of people that have stuck with the AI/ATD only approach for an oral cycle post cycle therapy that have ended up not recovering sex drive, testicle size, etc.

Not to mention the effect that lowering you overall estrogen level with an AI will have on a person's already destroyed lipid panel, and the nice little effect of lowering the immune system as well.

Serms will always do the trick, you are taking a risk if you use only AI's.
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:goodpost:
I completly agree
 
jomi822 said:
Many people on this board do not share that point of view at all. I can personally count off a handfull of people that have stuck with the AI/ATD only approach for an oral cycle post cycle therapy that have ended up not recovering sex drive, testicle size, etc.

Not to mention the effect that lowering you overall estrogen level with an AI will have on a person's already destroyed lipid panel, and the nice little effect of lowering the immune system as well.

Serms will always do the trick, you are taking a risk if you use only AI's.
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Edited for fear someone might misinterpret what I said and hurt themselves: i assume the person taking the cycle will be running a month off in between cycles with nothing in their system (after pct) to allow for system 'regeneration' if you will.
 
V00D00 said:
i assume the person taking the cycle will be running a month in between cycles/post cycle therapy with nothing in their system to allow for system 'regeneration' if you will.
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if you have run a sucessful post cycle therapy...your testicles should already be back to their normal size or close enough to it by the time you are done....thats the whole point of post cycle therapy, not to half ass it and stop. you might as well not even run a PCT

personally i notice recovery of testicle size and sex drive within a week on a serm. if you use a serm, it is not going to take 2 months to recovery testicle size, period.
 
Well it looks like Im not the only idiot that doesnt know how to run a pct.A SERM pffft what were we thinking.:fool2:
 
jomi822 said:
if you have run a sucessful post cycle therapy...your testicles should already be back to their normal size or close enough to it by the time you are done....thats the whole point of post cycle therapy, not to half ass it and stop. you might as well not even run a post cycle therapy

personally i notice recovery of testicle size and sex drive within a week on a serm. if you use a serm, it is not going to take 2 months to recovery testicle size, period.
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lol! i didn't correctly express myself there/you read me wrong

CYCLE / post cycle therapy / Recovery / Availability for next cycle
4-6 weeks / 4 weeks / 4 weeks
there thats what I was trying to say.

for those who read what i said, I wasn't advocating a month long break between cycle and post cycle therapy following the cycle, that would be disastrous!

I also notice sex drive though mine from about a week and a half on. Granted I don't run stand alones. I run 6 week bridges with some might call crazy. Ive never used a serm, come out great every time. In fact all those who have followed my cycles and not used serms but AI (usually 6bromo products) work out great.
 
V00Doo thats cool but when I run Torem my boys are full size in a little over a wk and theres no loss of sexual function.

So I figure if it aint broke dont fix it and you may have come off a little(well maybe more than a little)harsh in your first post. :D
 
mmowry said:
V00Doo thats cool but when I run Torem my boys are full size in a little over a wk and theres no loss of sexual function.

So I figure if it aint broke dont fix it and you may have come off a little(well maybe more than a little)harsh in your first post. :D
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yeah i know. I have a habit of doing that. ;) I just think its total overkill. Of course then when I say I'm going to run superdrol/Trenadrol/Bold for 6 or 7 weeks then everyone tells me I'm going to grow boobs, have all sorts of problems, shut down my organs and then only thing that will save me is a serm.
I just sit there blankly staring at the screen like, they aren't the answer to all the estrogen problems, the same can be done with AI's and they don't require a *ahem* prescription.
I've seen recoveries as almost as fast as, to faster than those using serms with simple products like HyperTest/Hyperdrol/Paravol. For those who are wondering what we're going on about.
AI - Aromatase Inhibitor. (I'm sure I've spelled that wrong)
 
V00D00 said:
yeah i know. I have a habit of doing that. ;) I just think its total overkill. Of course then when I say I'm going to run superdrol/Trenadrol/Bold for 6 or 7 weeks then everyone tells me I'm going to grow boobs, have all sorts of problems, shut down my organs and then only thing that will save me is a serm.
I just sit there blankly staring at the screen like, they aren't the answer to all the estrogen problems, the same can be done with AI's and they don't require a *ahem* prescription.
I've seen recoveries as almost as fast as, to faster than those using serms with simple products like HyperTest/Hyperdrol/Paravol. For those who are wondering what we're going on about.
AI - Aromatase Inhibitor. (I'm sure I've spelled that wrong)
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well maybe that does work for you, in that case like mmowry said if it aint broke then dont fix it. to each his own
 
cheers guys. i ran nolva. i mean my balls arent tiny or anything and my sex drive is fine but its like the scrotum is always tight around them like they are when your cold.

so do you think i should just run a serm again or go ahead with another cycle of ph and just run a serm as usual and hope for the best. thanks
 
Reeve said:
cheers guys. i ran nolva. i mean my balls arent tiny or anything and my sex drive is fine but its like the scrotum is always tight around them like they are when your cold.

so do you think i should just run a serm again or go ahead with another cycle of ph and just run a serm as usual and hope for the best. thanks
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Jerlion has a better answer for you than I could ever give. Tell me that part about injecting gasoline to clean out cell receptors again? ;)

Have you been lethargic/irritable of late? I would assume you're still in the throws of HPTA shutdown, try running any test booster and paravol if you want to drown your girlfriend ;) that should have you back to normal if not a little more than normal. Hell when I come off pct I'm like a damn high school kid...
 
V00D00 said:
Jerlion has a better answer for you than I could ever give. Tell me that part about injecting gasoline to clean out cell receptors again? ;)

Have you been lethargic/irritable of late? I would assume you're still in the throws of HPTA shutdown, try running any test booster and paravol if you want to drown your girlfriend ;) that should have you back to normal if not a little more than normal. Hell when I come off post cycle therapy I'm like a damn high school kid...
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good one:toofunny: : when i was refering to 120 octane it was a joke. you do know that,right?
 
Reeve said:
cheers guys. i ran nolva. i mean my balls arent tiny or anything and my sex drive is fine but its like the scrotum is always tight around them like they are when your cold.

so do you think i should just run a serm again or go ahead with another cycle of ph and just run a serm as usual and hope for the best. thanks
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l possibly run paravol,rebound by ax, some sort of test booster to possibly accelerate the recovery. also give your body some time 1month or so before going on any more cycles. everyone is not the same . but from experience both would be good a ai and a serm. both together are not overkill in my book.
 
jomi822 said:
Many people on this board do not share that point of view at all. I can personally count off a handfull of people that have stuck with the AI/ATD only approach for an oral cycle post cycle therapy that have ended up not recovering sex drive, testicle size, etc.

Not to mention the effect that lowering you overall estrogen level with an AI will have on a person's already destroyed lipid panel, and the nice little effect of lowering the immune system as well.

Serms will always do the trick, you are taking a risk if you use only AI's.
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Yeah thats definately true! I am a perfect example of this and used only and AI after cycle and my libido has been shot for the last 8 months.
 
jerlion777 said:
like pilsbury said ,possibly run paravol,rebound by ax,dhea some sort of test booster to possibly accelerate the recovery. also give your body some time 1month or so before going on any more cycles.
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DHEA converts to testosterone...it is supressive. DHEA conversts to andro, andro converts to testosterone. Would you take andro during PCT?


i honestly dont know of even one person who has completed a failed post cycle therapy (almost always involving the use of an AI/ATD only approach) who has been able to pull themselves out of it by running a serm/test booster later on. i was in the same situation myself and went back on cycle to resuppress my HPTA, a week into my SERM pct i recovered full sexual function and an increase in testicle size. i can name one other person who has tried the same method and revieved similar results.

in my opinion...if you have run a failed pct, it is better to go back on cycle and reset your whole system with a proper SERM pct than to keep fiddling with things and making them worse.
 
jomi822 said:
DHEA converts to testosterone...it is supressive. DHEA conversts to andro, andro converts to testosterone. Would you take andro during post cycle therapy?


i honestly dont know of even one person who has completed a failed post cycle therapy (almost always involving the use of an AI/ATD only approach) who has been able to pull themselves out of it by running a serm/test booster later on. i was in the same situation myself and went back on cycle to resuppress my HPTA, a week into my SERM post cycle therapy i recovered full sexual function and an increase in testicle size. i can name one other person who has tried the same method and revieved similar results.

in my opinion...if you have run a failed post cycle therapy, it is better to go back on cycle and reset your whole system with a proper SERM post cycle therapy than to keep fiddling with things and making them worse.
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see now that I can agree with, if you run a correct pct, and you have issues later on, a serm would make sense.
 
jomi822 said:
DHEA converts to testosterone...it is supressive. DHEA conversts to andro, andro converts to testosterone. Would you take andro during post cycle therapy?


i honestly dont know of even one person who has completed a failed post cycle therapy (almost always involving the use of an AI/ATD only approach) who has been able to pull themselves out of it by running a serm/test booster later on. i was in the same situation myself and went back on cycle to resuppress my HPTA, a week into my SERM post cycle therapy i recovered full sexual function and an increase in testicle size. i can name one other person who has tried the same method and revieved similar results.

in my opinion...if you have run a failed post cycle therapy, it is better to go back on cycle and reset your whole system with a proper SERM post cycle therapy than to keep fiddling with things and making them worse.
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i apologize on this guys my bad,was not using brain:fool2: that night .
 
jomi822 said:
DHEA converts to testosterone...it is supressive. DHEA conversts to andro, andro converts to testosterone. Would you take andro during post cycle therapy?


i honestly dont know of even one person who has completed a failed post cycle therapy (almost always involving the use of an AI/ATD only approach) who has been able to pull themselves out of it by running a serm/test booster later on. i was in the same situation myself and went back on cycle to resuppress my HPTA, a week into my SERM post cycle therapy i recovered full sexual function and an increase in testicle size. i can name one other person who has tried the same method and revieved similar results.

in my opinion...if you have run a failed post cycle therapy, it is better to go back on cycle and reset your whole system with a proper SERM post cycle therapy than to keep fiddling with things and making them worse.
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Im going to give this a go and attempt to restart. Im running Havoc/DHEA and PCT with Torm. I got a log going today. I hope it works out.
 
Hyde12 said:
Im going to give this a go and attempt to restart. Im running Havoc/DHEA and post cycle therapy with Torm. I got a log going today. I hope it works out.
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by all means throw up a log! im interested in the feedback. if it turns out this works for you as well as my friend and i then maybe some bro's on the board will have another option to get themselves out of the hormonal gutter.
 
jomi822 said:
by all means throw up a log! im interested in the feedback. if it turns out this works for you as well as my friend and i then maybe some bro's on the board will have another option to get themselves out of the hormonal gutter.
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Got a log up dude! Feeling awesome so far. Thinking about getting some primo tabs and doing an extra month.
 
I am starting to think that the reason people have failed PCT on an AI only is because from what I gather, an AI will decrease Estrogen AND DHT. I think DHT is the missing key. In the future I may try Proviron in my PCT but that will be farther down the road. For now Im going to run Tormifene.
 
DHT? very well be the case.

My theory would be that people pound down ridiculous amounts of a completely new supplemental AI (ATD) that blocks the androgen receptors as well as binding to aromatase.

does anyone here know what effect ATD has on the androgen receptor? i sure as hell dont. ATD is a pseudo-drug that simply hasnt been studied enough. blocking of the androge receptor is just too new and unessary from what i can see.

not to mentiont hat fact that by annihalting estrogen with ATD it will cause an enormous estrogen rebound once you stop (excess estrogen being suppressive).
 
jomi822 said:
DHT? very well be the case.

My theory would be that people pound down ridiculous amounts of a completely new supplemental AI (ATD) that blocks the androgen receptors as well as binding to aromatase.

does anyone here know what effect ATD has on the androgen receptor? i sure as hell dont. ATD is a pseudo-drug that simply hasnt been studied enough. blocking of the androge receptor is just too new and unessary from what i can see.

not to mentiont hat fact that by annihalting estrogen with ATD it will cause an enormous estrogen rebound once you stop (excess estrogen being suppressive).
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This is very true. I have to say that I like mATD though. I still will never run it again in my PCT without a SERM.
 
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