tst
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hill5673
Member
No disrespect intended because I appreciate your input but kiddo? I am 7 yrs older than you..
I was not saying I coundn't afford a decent PCT. What I am saying is that even though this stuff is $6 a bottle you still have to shell out for the PCT. Everywhere I see Nolva is around $1 per 10mg which adds up fast.
If your PCT is going to cost 10 times your cycle and the gains are minimal is it worth it?
same_old
Banned
nolva for $1 per 10mg?? :jaw: you need to keep looking.
and just from the tone of your post it doesnt sound like you have done a great deal of research on any of this. why not stick around awhile and read up before you jump in?
oh and i have been on TST for the last 27 days, actually. doses varying between 24 and 36mg/day. it's hard to pinpoint the TST-derived effects because i am using a LOT of stuff...but the cycle is going very well. if i could attribute one thing to the TST it would be the hardness, something i dont typically get with test enan (bigger and stronger, but not rock hard. i dont usually use androgenic steroids, so my best comparison, hardness-wise, is tbol.)
i'm not sure where people think the big risk is with this compound. nothing about the structure implies any large amount of toxicity. granted, you never know, but i can tell you i've had no serious ill effects from this "megadose" - no BP issues, sickness, headaches, acne, nada.
yeahright
Well-known member
Ummmmmmm, well nobody actually knows what the compound is. ALRI and Bioscience have thusfar refused to say. So, I think that's the concern. Mystery compound given out in small doses reminds people of things like M1T and halotestin. This stuff could be safe or radioactive - no end user knows for sure.
Moyer
board observer
Exactly. It's not supposed to be methylated, but the fact that it's 2mg/pill makes me wonder if they kept it low for toxicity issues.
The only clue to what it actually is:
"TST has no progestin structural relationships. It also has no testosterone metabolites and is totally detectable."
-Author L. Rea
I've emailed reps at ALRI but got no response. Does anyone know a good way to contact L. Rea or someone at Bioscience? I don't care THAT much what the compound actually is, I just want someone knowledgeable to tell me that 12-24mg/day is relatively safe.
Would Dr.D or someone else be able to comment on this?
stxnas
Well-known member
Yeah, that's a good question considering the bottle says to take no more than SIX MG/DAY.
same_old
Banned
i reckon any hormone without a methyl group at C17 is reasonably safe below 50mg or so....shoot, i cant think of a single one that isnt. and the only ones that are actually potent below 100mg w/o a 17aa are...maybe max lmg? proviron? MENT?
given the evidence that people got VERY little effect from 6mg/day of TST, one is inclined to think more is needed to elicit noticeable effects.
oh and the more i examine the gains i am getting on my current cycle, the more i tend to think the TST has contributed to the hardness. normally on this combo i am nowhere near this sinewy and hard, and the only real difference compared to previous cycles is the GH products, which shouldnt cause what i am seeing, IMO.
i'll maybe drop the TST for a week and see what happens. i am pretty stable in this cycle right now (meaning no drastic changes recently, and nothing else being added or deleted), so i should be able to distinguish a change.
given the evidence that people got VERY little effect from 6mg/day of TST, one is inclined to think more is needed to elicit noticeable effects.
oh and the more i examine the gains i am getting on my current cycle, the more i tend to think the TST has contributed to the hardness. normally on this combo i am nowhere near this sinewy and hard, and the only real difference compared to previous cycles is the GH products, which shouldnt cause what i am seeing, IMO.
i'll maybe drop the TST for a week and see what happens. i am pretty stable in this cycle right now (meaning no drastic changes recently, and nothing else being added or deleted), so i should be able to distinguish a change.
Moyer
board observer
I'm thinking the same thing, but I'm no chem guru. It just seems a little fishy, which is enough for me to at least hesitate. Are there really NO unmethylated hormones that are toxic at 30mg?
FWIW, an ALRI rep did email me back today, but they couldn't give any info.
same_old
Banned
17b-methoxy-testosterone will not have testosterone metabolites, i dont think. same way methyltest doesnt...that addition at C17 doesnt just cleave off...
b unit
Well-known member
better of getting havoc or epi, guaranteed results and far cheaper:thumbsup:
same_old
Banned
last time i checked they werent offering money back guarantees on any of these products...
plus havoc/epi is a 17aa and therefore almost assuredly more toxic. some of us want to minimize toxicity, and rightfully so. also, on an injectable cycle, 1,4ad is a great addition that kicks in quick (and clears quick in case you get sides you dont like) and allows you to use a non-methyl oral instead of the standard 17aa's most use at the beginning or end of the cycle.
and @ 40mg/day, epi will be minimum $80 for 6 weeks.
(i am not saying "buy this one over that one"...just pointing out what it is by far not as one-sided as you suggest)
yeahright
Well-known member
Most people are running epi at 20mg a day (maybe going up to 30 towards the end). Nonetheless, your points are valid.
b unit
Well-known member
that's a very valid point, i apologise for being a little one sided there same old, i think however running epi at 40mgs a day for 6 weeks is a little on the high side
take care :cheers:
same_old
Banned
fair enough...but by overstating the dosage, i was able to make a third, pithy paragraph to try and make my POV seem somehow truer. i think we can all agree that only 2, reasonably stated paragraphs would have woefully insufficient. :icon_lol:
b unit
Well-known member
:thumbsup:
njt11
Member
I have a question for those who have ran TST. Myself and 2 roomates are planning a final cycle before summer, all different goals, can anyone recommend a dosage?
Myself-5'11, 200lbs, 14-15% BF
Looking to lean out, gain strength. Stacking w/ Megazol dosed at 100/150/200 each 10 days for 30days.
Friend 1-5'11, 185lbs, 9% BF
Looking to gain a couple lbs of lbm while maintaining low BF and hopefully some good strength gains. TST solo.
Friend 2-5'7, 160lbs, 10%BF
Bulking and already cut. Wants to gain as much mass as possible. Stackin with revolt at 50/75/75 for 30 days.
What would be a good TST dosage for each? This is all of our second PH cycles. We are all 21 and 22 years old. Also, will Nolva + Fenu/Maca be an ok PCT?
Sorry for the questions, but didnt wanna flood the board with anymore "Is this cycle ok" threads.
Myself-5'11, 200lbs, 14-15% BF
Looking to lean out, gain strength. Stacking w/ Megazol dosed at 100/150/200 each 10 days for 30days.
Friend 1-5'11, 185lbs, 9% BF
Looking to gain a couple lbs of lbm while maintaining low BF and hopefully some good strength gains. TST solo.
Friend 2-5'7, 160lbs, 10%BF
Bulking and already cut. Wants to gain as much mass as possible. Stackin with revolt at 50/75/75 for 30 days.
What would be a good TST dosage for each? This is all of our second PH cycles. We are all 21 and 22 years old. Also, will Nolva + Fenu/Maca be an ok PCT?
Sorry for the questions, but didnt wanna flood the board with anymore "Is this cycle ok" threads.
MgoBlue
Banned
just got my TST in today. I'm thinking I may start @ 12mg & poss. go up from there. I'm also doing the Methoxy TRN from ALRI. I'm doing that @ 3mg a day. Should I bump that up or stay there. I remember seeing that the Mega TRN was a higher dosage.
FWIW, I'm 5'7" 170 & looking for a lean bulk.
FWIW, I'm 5'7" 170 & looking for a lean bulk.
b unit
Well-known member
i agree, no need to take anything higher than 6mg or the tren will turn on you
Cordeen
Well-known member
Did you ever run this cycle?
MgoBlue
Banned
yeah, kinda.. It's been a while, so I don't remember what I dosed it at though. Definitely liked it though. I put on about 3 clean pounds that I kept. i always felt "on" & got all kinds of compliments & questions in & out of the gym.
The reason I say kinda is I'm a truck driver - down here in Baton Rouge, they call it a Hot Shot driver - GMC dually w/ a 40' trailer.. Anyway, I'm on call 24/7 & some weeks I would only be able to hit the gym once or twice a week... It sucked, so I tried to eat as clean as possible. I think I could've done tons better w/ a fixed schedule & poss some sort of creatine & powerfull/cissus in the mix.
The reason I say kinda is I'm a truck driver - down here in Baton Rouge, they call it a Hot Shot driver - GMC dually w/ a 40' trailer.. Anyway, I'm on call 24/7 & some weeks I would only be able to hit the gym once or twice a week... It sucked, so I tried to eat as clean as possible. I think I could've done tons better w/ a fixed schedule & poss some sort of creatine & powerfull/cissus in the mix.